How confident are you that Mueller will be able to nail Trump?

[Le Gaucher]

I am not taking about facts/evidence.

But overcoming the Obstacles that Trump/Republicans will present including refusing to appear before a Grand Jury

Michael Cohen can sing like Celine Dion if he wants to .. but absent a political will to bring Trump to Justice - How confident are you?

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	I am confident that Mueller will have the Orange bastard in an Orange jumpsuit
	9 (28%)
	Am unsure
	16 (50%)
	Trump will pull a Houdini on this one
	6 (19%)
	Trump is innocent
	1 (3%)
	Other
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[NewJeffCT]

1. I am 100% confident that Mueller will be able to nail

everybody around Trump with multiple counts of obstruction of justice, abuse of power, conspiracy against the United States and more.

And, he will probably have a long list of potential charges against Herr Trump, but I'm afraid it might amount to nothing if Congress does nothing about it.

[NCTraveler]

2. Lots of aspects to this question.

For the most part Mueller is going to release his report and then be interviewed by congress.

Also, how much has he given to state prosecutors?

[mn9driver]

3. The GOP congress and Supreme Court will do nothing.

It doesn’t matter what Mueller does. It really doesn’t.

[Snackshack]

4. I don't know.

It is not entirely clear what Mueller can actually do. I do know that if it is true that a president cannot be indicted and it is going to take the current republican congress to act I have zero confidence.

[hlthe2b]

5. I'm more certain about his being able to OBTAIN the evidence, than...

being ABLE to USE it to "nail" Trump...

I think, given the circumstances, if anyone can do so, it is Mueller. But damn, he has to fight the entire R party and as many as 30% of the American people to bring about impeachment. Indictment, sans, impeachment is nearly insurmountable in Federal court, given the retirement of Kennedy...

Still, I hold some hope...

[OliverQ]

6. I think Mueller will find a lot of criminal behavior on Trump and Republicans

But I don't believe anyone will do anything to remove Trump or punish these people. Even if Mueller flat out proves Trump committed treason, he still won't be removed from office.

[Doreen]

8. That is exactly what I think.

[wryter2000]

12. I agree

I'm sad to say

[smirkymonkey]

22. I am sadly agreeing with you.

I am not really holding out any hope at all. The best thing that could happen right now would be for Trump to stroke out or have a massive fatal heart attack. Otherwise he will be with us for a while.

[procon]

7. Mueller isn't the issue, it's the Republican majority that holds Congress.

He could have all the irrefutable evidence in the world, but its all meaningless if those self serving cowards are going for a short term political gain to protect Trump over the country.

[Runningdawg]

9. Exactly!

[Hamlette]

21. nope its Fox news that is the problem

without a 24/7 propaganda machine supporting his lies, the GOP and the base would be hard pressed to ignore Mueller.

May they rot in hell.

[Downtown Hound]

10. You guys should know by now

Mueller doesn't lose, and this is personal to him. Trump attacked an organization he cares very much about and has spent his life serving. Trump betrayed his country to the Russians, the people who aided the enemy he fought in Vietnam.

He will get Don in the end. Mark my words.

[Hamlette]

24. this is a compelling argument.

I worked for government for 30 years and am very protective of the agency were I worked. I respect the people I worked with and have friends who are still there. Additionally, it did a great job and I wouldn't have stayed if I did not think so. Although I have moved on, don't even think about criticizing the agency I worked for. Think momma bear. I would take it personally as you argue Mueller has.

[empedocles]

11. Trumps strategy is political

Hold the Republican House, the Republican Senate, the Republican Supreme Court, and 'revolution' if necessary - rw political will v. other political wills. Mueller's case against trump is just there. [Too soon to estimate].

[renegade000]

13. This is why the midterms are so important...

No doubt the special counsel's office is building a huge case, but there needs to be political cover for the government to act upon the findings...

[inwiththenew]

14. How many people were held to account for the War in Iraq and 2008 financial crisis?

Sadly powerful people in this country are above the law more often than not. I'm sure he will find something and some smaller guys will go down but I don't have much faith in anything of consequence happening to him personally.

[Le Gaucher]

15. Bingo ..

Much of my pessimism comes down to exactly this sentiment.

[Johonny]

18. American histroy is not filled with examples of American presidents being held accountable

[Xolodno]

16. I see it happening in two ways.....

1. Trump is forced from office, gets a pardon from Pence and he starts his own cable channel to grift his supporters and complain how he was set up by the deep state.

2. He flees the country and asks for asylum in Russia.

I prefer option 2, but option 1 is more likely.

[lame54]

20. Neither...

Trump won't leave unless physically removed

Something that has never been played out in this country

we are in uncharted territory

[Oneironaut]

17. There is 0 chance Mueller "nails" Trump.

You would need Mueller to first find something on Trump. Then, you would need the house to draft articles of impeachment. Then, you would need the Senate to actually impeach him.

Neither the Republicans or Democrats want to impeach Trump. There is no chance an impeachment resolution would even make it to the Senate. I doubt Trump is even on Mueller’s radar. Instead, Mueller will go after members of Trump’s administration, imo. That’s as far as it goes.

Remember that you need a 2/3 Senate vote to impeach Trump. He could murder someone, and you still wouldn’t get that in this current atmosphere.

I would worry about getting Democrats in office instead. That’s more important right now.

[lame54]

19. 100% positive he will have a solid case....

not at all confident it will take him down

[Vinca]

23. I think he'll nail him, but there's a good chance nothing will ever happen to him.

It all depends on the GOP members of Congress and if they are willing to put country over party. It also depends on whether Pence is involved enough to be indicted and, if so, whether the Speaker of the House will forego a pardon if he or she is installed as POTUS. My worst nightmare is Nancy Pelosi being sworn in as POTUS and pulling a Gerald Ford "for the sake of the country." Lock him up!

[LanternWaste]

25. I'm confident Mueller will achieve his objective.

However, I simply do not know what his objectives are (outside of the over-generalized 'convicting and punishing the guilty...').

[TygrBright]

26. Mueller has no power to "nail" [Redacted].

His power extends only to the exposure, analysis, summarization, and presentation of facts that others can/should use to nail the sleazy blob.

I have great confidence in him doing that superbly and abundantly.

Alas, however-- just because the ordnance is fully loaded doesn't mean it will be deployed and fired.

wearily,
Bright

[fallout87]

27. Voted for houdini

There has never been a president that was successfully impeached and convicted. It's extremely hard.

[Le Gaucher]

28. Well well .. Someone on DU thinks Trump is innocent!

[Sophiegirl]

31. First post

For this user. MIRT will keep an eye on him/her.

[get the red out]

29. He will have the goods on Trump

But I don't know if anything will come of it, Republicans being what they are.

[yurbud]

30. I hope I'm wrong, but I suspect whether the investigation gets him out depends more

on whether Trump gains the confidence of the financial elite or not.

If he doesn't, Mueller will back up the dump truck and pour all of Trump's own shit on his administration.

If Trump does earn their trust, Mueller will putter along indefinitely, just to keep Trump in line, but the wheels will never touch the ground.

[bcbink]

32. Confident, 45 is really just a maybe rich nobody.

I don't think the old money will support the embarrassment much longer. They have gotten what they wanted.

[dewsgirl]

33. It makes me feel better to know intelect and experience are on our side, I'm still very worried.