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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsI'm seeing increased incidents where lefties "hit" back against MAGA people.
One video a man named "Jimenez" throws his coke on someone wearing a MAGA hat (the video is only part of the information, since it doesn't show how it started). These things are increasingly happening.
Oh, my goodness, the whining and shock! by Trumpers at such inhumanity and criminal behavior being perpetrated on innocent MAGAs! It's just a hat! (yeah...and a white hood is just a hood.)
My response: Trump has set the tone in the country. Violence, hitting, punching, disrespecting others' opinions, calling people "animals" that "infest" the country, etc. Why are they surprised that many citizens on both sides are following suit?
Methinks that they are so used to those on the left taking the high road that they are shocked to see them finally giving it back. The guy just threw a coke, for gosh sakes. It's not like he marched in a white supremacist parade and beat up black people or drove a car into a crowd, or shot and killed some newspaper people.
Things in the country are insane! But it's about time the lefties are speaking out and getting off that high ground pedestal. We're in a battle for the country. I can't do much, but I do try to not let even casual comments pass w/o saying something. It's unpleasant. But to be quiet is to imply agreement. The Trumpers are shocked!
Wounded Bear
(58,654 posts)Nobody is allowed to treat them like they treat others.
SamKnause
(13,103 posts)Did they think people would enjoy the smell ???
Did they think people would let them tell their vicious lies without stirring up a stink ???
Did they think people would thank them and ask for continued verbal abuse ???
Trump has been trying to start a race war since he rode down the escalator.
The Republicans fucking own this !!!
InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,122 posts)Alea
(706 posts)Last edited Thu Jul 5, 2018, 03:29 PM - Edit history (1)
I don't see how anyone could be ok with this.
MineralMan
(146,308 posts)B2G
(9,766 posts)MineralMan
(146,308 posts)Alea
(706 posts)I wasn't trying to imply DU would be ok with. It was just a general statement coming from my heart. Also, the responses in this thread are an example of why I'm proud to be a DU'er.
MineralMan
(146,308 posts)pretty offensive overall. The replies, however, have helped a lot.
Alea
(706 posts)I kind of like to think he or she just hit the keyboard a little to quick. Something we're all guilty of, especially considering what is going on with the Country now.
Honeycombe8
(37,648 posts)Please re-read the OP, then read my response to all these other responses that misunderstood the OP.
Note that nowhere in my OP do I condone Jimenez's behavior. The OP is not about that at all. It's about the over the top reaction by Trumpers, whose followers have recently killed five members of the press, rammed a car into a crowd and killed a woman, beat up black people at a couple of events. They expressed no outrage over those acts, which resulted in injuries and deaths.
Alea
(706 posts)I may have written the same OP, but I would have stated "I do not condone this" somewhere in the post. I have noticed sometimes on DU we get criticized for what we don't say, or leave out of a post.
Honeycombe8
(37,648 posts)I just did that quickly & didn't realize that people would focus on Jiminez's behavior, since that's not what the post was about. It goes w/o saying that entering someone's space is not good (or legal), unless it's defensive. But it is a minor offense, compared to what we have just seen, with the MAGA guy killing five people of the press and injuring others, and other acts of violence and offenses...and not a peep from the Trumpers. But THIS...they go apeshit over. And the Sarah Sanders restaurant thing.
I think they are just shocked that they are getting some pushback, after over a decade of dishing it out w/o repercussions. That's just my personal opinion. Which is what my OP was about.
Edit to add: While I appreciate the belief, it is just a fact that the post is not about judging Jimenez's behavior. The post is about the over-the-top reaction to it, given all the violence, injuries, & deaths by those on the right which didn't result in any "shock" or public disapproval by Trumpers, that I saw. But THIS Coca Cola incident caused them to come out of the woodwork en masse, expressing shock & outrage. That's all.
I didn't include the video because I assumed it had been posted already. It wasn't new, by the time I saw it. DU members are fast about putting things up very quickly.
MineralMan
(146,308 posts)Honeycombe8
(37,648 posts)The post is clearly about the over the top reaction to Jimenez's coke thing, when there wasn't a peep out of them about acts of violence by MAGA people or sympathizers that resulted in serious physical injury or death.
My post goes on to guess why that is. My guess is that they are used to not having to deal with pushback. "When they go low, we go high," has been the typical response by those on the left.
MineralMan
(146,308 posts)Last edited Thu Jul 5, 2018, 06:24 PM - Edit history (1)
one. Think about it, please.
Honeycombe8
(37,648 posts)I noticed a few newbies who enthusiastically joined in to the "bad OP" meme.
The OP clearly criticizes Trumpers' over the top reactions.
MineralMan
(146,308 posts)I'm not one such. That is a very weak argument. You have yet to provide any evidence that this was not an isolated incident. I'm waiting for evidence or your "increasing amount" of similar incidents. I'm beginning to think you have no such evidence.
cwydro
(51,308 posts)Tipperary
(6,930 posts)This idiot acted like a criminal, not to mention using his size and age to intimidate a smaller, younger kid.
EricJohnson
(90 posts)high ground. The minute we start to lower ourselves to the level of those we disparage we are lost.
Bonx
(2,053 posts)Tipperary
(6,930 posts)Smh.
this can and will go in both directions. Wait till anti-maga people are the ones hit with crap dumped on them.
backscatter712
(26,355 posts)Last edited Fri Jul 6, 2018, 05:38 PM - Edit history (1)
Cost the kid a wet shirt, a shower, and a stupid hat. And didn't actually damage him.
Those little shits should be grateful we're still being nice after all the shit we're taking from the fascist right.
Quixote1818
(28,936 posts)Clearly there seems to be a lot of tension that lead up to this moment and I really doubt the guy just started filming at that moment. He should not have throw the ice and taken the hat but I sure wonder what was said to him to anger him.
Marengo
(3,477 posts)MichMan
(11,924 posts)Marengo
(3,477 posts)braddy
(3,585 posts)demmiblue
(36,851 posts)TheRealNorth
(9,481 posts)Because I could definitely see some Republican groups paying to stage something like this.
InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,122 posts)MichMan
(11,924 posts)Amishman
(5,557 posts)MichMary
(1,714 posts)for adults to assault teenagers? Way to win hearts and minds.
Actually, that's probably a felony. Wonder if they'll press charges. He probably won't be able to get another bartending job with a felony on his record.
.99center
(1,237 posts)Guess who's trending? You seem to know a lot about the incident, why did you leave out the fact that he's a member of the Green Party?
https://heavy.com/news/2018/07/kino-jimenez/
MineralMan
(146,308 posts)Last edited Thu Jul 5, 2018, 03:51 PM - Edit history (1)
You said there were "increased incidents," but you only show this one. The actions of that person were indefensible.
If you know of others, please help us out by leading us to them, OK?
Beyond that, where is a link to a news story about the incident? Someone else posted a video.
TeamPooka
(24,226 posts)strike or hit them.
Make them look stupid, evil, or dumb.
Don't sink to their level of physical violence
MichMan
(11,924 posts)Response to MichMan (Reply #19)
ChazII This message was self-deleted by its author.
mythology
(9,527 posts)You can't tar all Trump supporters with the actions of some.
But even it you contend all Trump supporters are evil, you actually can't say they shouldn't go around assaulting people, you can't then defend an unsolicited assault.
niyad
(113,303 posts)so sorry. ooops. sorry!!!! darn, didn't see your sixe 13 clodhoppers.
B2G
(9,766 posts)throwing a drink in his face, grabbing the hat, calling him a n*****, and stalking off with it?
Just verifying.
Iggo
(47,552 posts)Wish it wasn't happening, but it is.
Alea
(706 posts)maryellen99
(3,789 posts)Afromania
(2,768 posts)We are in a battle for this country but I'm not sure where you are seeing they many from our side hitting back. I mean every bit of organized violence being reported is from trump humpers. Shooting up this place and that place, mailing bombs or trying to hit folks with cars n shit; that's them and that's what they are about. Some random loon takes a cap and throws soda; and that's hitting back? Sounds like some low level set up bullshit in any case.
Honeycombe8
(37,648 posts)it does not. Please re-read it.
My post was about the over the top Trumper reaction to it. Reaction to an act that was, after all, not harmful physically, compared with, say, a MAGA follower killing five people of the press, supremacists marching with MAGA hats beating up black people in Charlottesville, a MAGA guy ramming his car into a group of protesters & killing one woman in Charlottesville (who Trump called "fine people" ), and other physically violent acts that resulted in injury and death.
My post was about Trumpers expecting Democrats and others on the left to stay on the high ground that they normally occupy, instead of realizing that Trump has set a tone, and many in the country are feeling that anger. Including those on the left, who normally keep such emotions in check.
I don't condone what the guy did, but I will say that the video shows only Jimenez's reaction to something. It does not show what he was reacting to, the lead-up. Maybe it wouldn't make a difference. But I just noticed that it is missing part of the encounter.
My personal feeling, though, is that while I don't condone any action that invades someone's space, I can understand an Hispanic being especially offended at this time, what with the President calling his or his fellow Hispanics "animals" who have "infested" the country, and who has taken children from their parents and can't say when or if the children will be returned, and keeping those children in "rooms with chain link walls" (as Sessions calls the cages). Calling the homeland a sh*thole country. I can understand his momentary lapse in reacting to someone who approves of all that behavior, because of the extreme circumstances in the country right now. But understanding does not mean condoning.
But, as I said, my OP was not about what the Jimenez man did or said, but was about the over-the-top reaction to it by Trumpers, who are no strangers to hate rhetoric and behavior. I just think they are surprised to see the left take any sort of steps against them, instead of the silent, respectful stance they normally take.
Everyone in the country is affected by the hateful tone, rhetoric, and behavior in the country, that has been set by the leader.
Tipperary
(6,930 posts)JustABozoOnThisBus
(23,340 posts)It may not be "assault" to throw a coke in someone's face, but then again, it may be. Depends on which state, I think. It's still an action that could warrant a civil suit. Don't throw a coke at a Westboro Baptist member, they WILL sue, it's what they do.
No, it's not like driving a car into a crowd, but it's still a bad idea. Please don't do it.
Honeycombe8
(37,648 posts)Please re-read it.
And yes...throwing something at another person is assault, technically, although it causes no physical harm. I offered no opinion on Jimenez's actions. In fact, I cannot, since the whole encounter is not on the video. My post was about the over-the-top reaction to it by people who just read about a MAGA supporter killing five press people and injuring others, ramming a car into a crowd and killing a woman, and other acts...and not one peep by Trumpers in my community forum or elsewhere. But THIS gets the full treatment by them.
MichMary
(1,714 posts)that the kook who shot up the newspaper and killed five people was a MAGA supporter? The tweet from the reporter claiming the guy dropped his MAGA hat was debunked, deleted, and cost the tweeter his job. Thus adding fuel to the "fake news" fire.
IIRC, the guy had a grudge against the paper for many years, dating (I believe) back to 2012.
Honeycombe8
(37,648 posts)That's the point. I wasn't discussing the violent incidents in detail. Just that reports of those were met with silence from Trumpers, yet they scream holy murder when this guy threw some Coca Cola on someone. And we didn't see in the video even what precipitated it. (Not that I condone it. I definitely do not. Words are always better.)
MichMary
(1,714 posts)Yes, I know: The Hill, but his resignation/apology tweet is quoted in full. I got the impression that he had tweeted about the dropped hat kind of ironically and it backfired on him--bigly.
NY_20th
(1,028 posts)Lefties are not just Dems. There are third parties and Independents who are on the left.
I call them lefties & righties sometimes. What's your problem with that?
NY_20th
(1,028 posts)left leaning people as lefties.
Honeycombe8
(37,648 posts)It's just a way I refer to people on the left or right sometimes. It's all encompassing. It's not just Democrats who are on the left, or Republicans who are on the right.
There are millions of people who don't belong to the two major parties and are either on the left or right. Or in the middle.
NY_20th
(1,028 posts)MineralMan
(146,308 posts)him or herself as a "lefty." That's a right-wing term. Your OP is what it is. It offered no link and no video. It is incomplete. If people misunderstood you, that is why.
Honeycombe8
(37,648 posts)It's okay. We all misunderstand sometimes.
You do know someone who uses those terms. Me. I am most definitely not rightwing. I call people on the left and right lefties & righties sometimes, just as shorthand. It's all encompassing, since they are not just Dems & Repubs. There are millions of people who belong to other parties or are Independents, who align with the left or right.
I hope you're not implying that I'm rightwing, and have been participating in this forum for over ten years because I've got nothing better to do.
MineralMan
(146,308 posts)I know you only from your posts here.
Honeycombe8
(37,648 posts)MineralMan
(146,308 posts)examples of such behavior. In your post title, you referred to "increasing incidents." I asked for examples. You provided none. I'm done. Apparently you have no other examples.
NY_20th
(1,028 posts)I doubt Mineral Man is embarrassed, and I know I'm certainly not.
Your OP was not clear at all.
I understand that you may be among the people who don't belong to the Democratic Party, but I assure you, we do not refer to ourselves as lefties.
radius777
(3,635 posts)as a term of endearment, even though most liberals are center-left... it's also a shorthand in the social media age to describe anyone on the left of the political spectrum, and not necessarily describing 'the far left'. just like 'righty' describes anyone right of center, not necessarily 'the far right'.
Your OP was excellent as it stimulated an important conversation ... can't say I'm surprised by some of the comments. Fascism thrives because far too many in this country are dedicated more to civility and order than liberty and justice, as MLK observed more than a generation ago.
Honeycombe8
(37,648 posts)Lanius
(599 posts)xenophobia, nativism and homophobia. Wearing a MAGA hate means you are OK with white nationalism, white male resentment and anti-immigrant bias. Many minorities are not going to react well to someone wearing that hat, the way they react to a KKK hood or Nazi tattoos.
tenderfoot
(8,432 posts)Kingofalldems
(38,456 posts)This anonymous witness needs to talk to the police. They will confirm she was there by looking at the security camera videos, which will give some credibility to the article. That said, it only changes things a very little bit. These were 16 year old kids, jimenez is 30. Grown ups can't assault and steal from kids because of words. This guys best course of action would have been to grab his phone and video these kids and what they were saying, and make them the big news story. Provided they were actually saying what the article says. Most everyone has a smart phone now. We whip out the camera and video at the drop of a hat. If I heard anyone talking about lynching people I'd turn it on and start videoing. No one in this wataburger did that? Jimenez didn't, the witness didn't? No one else? Either way it don't matter. Hands off the kids.
tenderfoot
(8,432 posts)backscatter712
(26,355 posts)But Walter White was in the right in this one.
eleny
(46,166 posts)radius777
(3,635 posts)Fascism is itself violent with ethnoterrorism at it's core, and fully deserves the response it gets.
PoC kids at the behest of the MAGAts are being tossed into cages and treated like animals.
These white brats who provoked the incident and staged this video - get off easy - they get to go back to their comfortable middle class lives while mommy feeds them cookies and reads them bedtime stories.
Where I come from, if you talk shit (regardless of age), you'd better be willing to 'throw down'.
Whites have long lived in a comfortable bubble that allows them to support/incite/commit violence (Trump's rise to power is such an example) while not being held accountable.
Alea
(706 posts)btw, The news outlet claiming there was a witness claiming the kids were being racist.... "Editor's note: An earlier version of this story included quotes from the alleged witness. Those have been removed from this copy due to concerns about the legitimacy of the statements."
radius777
(3,635 posts)All he did was throw their coke and take the MAGA hat, which is the equivalent of a klan hood or swastika. And I fully believe they provoked and staged the video based upon reports on social media and elsewhere.
Whites have long foisted an ethnofascist system on PoC, best exemplified by Trump's election, and you can't expect people to sit back and fold their hands.
I have no desire to throw down with anyone, merely stating how it is in the diverse neighborhood I grew up in, and how people value accountablity.
Trump is a perfect example of the white brat who spent his entire life running his mouth without accountabilty.
MichMan
(11,924 posts)For a 30 year old against a teenager?
Punch them repeatedly until unconscious?
Tipperary
(6,930 posts)Sure, you go ahead and believe this skinny young kid did something that would piss off a much older, larger man. No way.
backscatter712
(26,355 posts)Might as well go on a stroll wearing a Klan hood and a swastika armband. People don't take kindly.
Tipperary
(6,930 posts)jacket, it is ok for someone who hates gays to attack me? BULLSHIT.
backscatter712
(26,355 posts)Maybe actually damaging him is over the top.
A spilled drink and an MIA MAGA hat isn't.
Tipperary
(6,930 posts)Did you not see the video of the bully? He is a nasty bully.
backscatter712
(26,355 posts)Tipperary
(6,930 posts)Pull the other one (English saying I doubt you are familiar with)
I sure do not want to interfere with your narrative, but would you be ok with someone yanking a cap off your head and throwing a drink in your face?
Yeah, probably. Because most tough guys on the internet are just that.
radius777
(3,635 posts)and that the big bad racist cops will hunt down the uppity PoC and throw him in jail, merely for rejecting white supremacy.
radius777
(3,635 posts)whereas RW whites are an oppressor class.
So to wield the club of white supremacy, by discussing lynching and brandishing a MAGA hat, etc - is an act of oppression and ethnic aggression, while objecting to that (what Jimenez did, which was mild) is an act of resistance and ethnic self defense.
DashOneBravo
(2,679 posts)Initech
(100,075 posts)These kids absolutely did something to piss this guy off - they were openly discussing lynching and murdering black and latino people in public. That guy was right to get pissed off. I would had I been in that guy's position!
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/ny-news-whataburger-maga-attack-20180706-story.html#
Alea
(706 posts)Also, the original news outlet that claimed there was a witness claiming the kids were being racist have backed away from that report.
"KENS 5 Editor's note: An earlier version of this story included quotes from the alleged witness. Those have been removed from this copy due to concerns about the legitimacy of the statements."
https://www.kens5.com/article/news/local/witness-claims-viral-whataburger-attack-may-have-been-motivated-by-racist-remarks/273-570979179
So your hero is in jail, booked on a felony, his life is now in the shitter and rightfully so, and now he's a poster child(man) for what our party stands for, and you're all for it? lol smh
Hands off the kids. It's really that simple.
Initech
(100,075 posts)Let's back up here. I said what he did was as wrong as what the kid was saying. What I am saying is what that guy did by throwing soda in those kids' faces was wrong. But the kids aren't exactly heroes in this story either - they were white supremacist douchebags, but really it was a clusterfuck on both sides is what I'm getting at. Don't put words in my mouth like that.
Alea
(706 posts)"Seriously. I'd be in jail right now if I were in that restaurant." That statement implies would would have committed violence against those kids that would have gotten you arrested.
https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=10837235
You also continue to push the witness claims which the police say don't exist and the News that originally reported the witness claims have backed off of it.
Sorry, but it really does sound like you are ok with this assault, and this man that "stood up to these kids".
Initech
(100,075 posts)I'm also not OK with genocide either. Yeah maybe I did go too far there. I also deleted that post. I would never do anything illegal but I would confront the little Nazi shits about what they said. Would I lay a finger on them? Absolutely not.
radius777
(3,635 posts)and got the reaction they wanted.
They acted in the name of fascism, and got an antifascist reaction.
Alea
(706 posts)and Kino is in jail for a felony and the "witness" is no where to be found and the news outlet has backed away from the witnesses claims, and your extremist attitude toward adult violence against minors is noted.
radius777
(3,635 posts)and the witness is likely fearful for his/her life, and the paper is likely fearful of losing readership.
Of course the non-white is in jail, and the white punks who started it are chillin... what they intended all along.
Alea
(706 posts)Maybe I don't have enough
ariesgem
(1,634 posts)I am so SICK of these racist mfers coming out the shadows.
... If they're old & bold enough with the muscle/energy to lynch me and they are in or near MY space talking about lynching black folks, my stance will not be civil.... they will not be seen as "kids" with me... Our kids (Michael Brown, Travon Martin, Tamir Rice, etc, etc...) are looked at as boogey MEN and our kids continue to be treated as such.
No coddling here...
From N.Y.
Now live in L.A.
Raised not to to play the game of passivity when it comes to RACISM.
MichMan
(11,924 posts)
..for a 30 yr old adult to perform on a teenager? What about a 12 year old kid?
Throw a drink in their face and steal property like the person here? Punch them in the face repeated times until they are unconscious ?
In either case you would have been arrested and charged with a felony
ariesgem
(1,634 posts)N/T
backscatter712
(26,355 posts)"He will not be permanently damaged."
Tipperary
(6,930 posts)I see another poster also requested this.
Honeycombe8
(37,648 posts)You're joking, right?
You didn't see the news about EPA Pruitt being confronted in restaurant by citizen?
You didn't see the numerous reports about Sarah Sanders being kicked out of a restaurant?
You haven't seen the multiple and numerous protests across the country in the last month in response to the children incarceration?
MineralMan
(146,308 posts)Not the same thing at all.
Honeycombe8
(37,648 posts)Logic 101.
A. Guy does something that goes against a MAGA person that does not cause injury or death.
B. The MAGA cyber community goes apesh*t over it.
C. Guys with MAGA hats, or marching with MAGAs, commit real physical injury to people, as well as murder. AND acts that go against other citizens but don't cause injury or death.
D. The MAGA cyber community says nothing about "C."
The point is MAGA-pies disparate reaction to disagreements, arguments, or actions. If you don't agree their reaction is based on whether it's one of their own doing the actions or the opposing side, that's fine. That is not my observation, though. Which is what my post was about, as it clearly says in plain English.
Tipperary
(6,930 posts)nasty horrid person who chose to attack a teenager much smaller than him. He would never have done that to large men wearing the same cap, si my guess.
Honeycombe8
(37,648 posts)of my post. That was the whole point of the post...in the face of real violence by the right, including serious physical injuries and deaths, they go apesh*t over people on the left doing just about anything whatsoever that goes against their idol, the orange one.
Soxfan58
(3,479 posts)Was the sucker punch guy from one of dumbasses rallies. Big tough guy when security has your arms. I always thought that kid should have hunted that coward down, look him straight in the face and say I'm twice the man you are.
MichMan
(11,924 posts)Initech
(100,075 posts)Definitely time to fight back against these assholes.
https://www.democraticunderground.com/100210837128
MichMan
(11,924 posts)That is true, isn't it?
He can claim it was justified at his trial if he can find witnesses
Tipperary
(6,930 posts)I doubt he voted for Hillary.
Initech
(100,075 posts)I won't believe anything until the story unfolds but knowing what I know about Trump supporters the dialogue that was coming from those kids does not surprise me at all, and that should not be excused either.
backscatter712
(26,355 posts)But apparently yoinking a little shit's swastika hat, ahem, I meant MAGA hat, and splashing a drink on him is worthy of hard time...
radius777
(3,635 posts)white America would say, and he'd get a slap on the wrist.
Whether kids or not, they wielded the club of white supremacy, and got the reaction they wanted.
If this MoC gets doxxed and charged, so should these punks and their families.
Honeycombe8
(37,648 posts)It has to be over a certain amount to be a felony.
MichMan
(11,924 posts)Here is what was posted on another thread about the same incident
(4)?a state jail felony if:
......
(B)?regardless of value, the property is stolen from the person of another or from a human corpse or grave, including property that is a military grave marker;
Honeycombe8
(37,648 posts)Last edited Sat Jul 7, 2018, 09:07 AM - Edit history (4)
Don't know. What you quoted doesn't say.
Theft is a state jail felony in Texas if the value of the property or services stolen is $1,500 or more but less than $20,000, or if the property is of a specific type, such as a firearm or certain livestock valued at less than $20,000. ( § 31.03(e)(4).) The punishment for a state jail felony in Texas is incarceration ranging from 180 days to two years of in a state jail, plus a fine of no more than $10.000. ( § 12.35.)
https://www.criminaldefenselawyer.com/resources/criminal-defense/crime-penalties/petty-theft-texas-penalties-defense
There are also laws regarding stealing from a person, when perp is using a deadly weapon, which is intended to cover muggings, it seems.
tenderfoot
(8,432 posts)Drama much?
samnsara
(17,622 posts)MichMan
(11,924 posts)Blow the kids head off?
Tipperary
(6,930 posts)Some really ugly stuff here. Of course it is pretty easy to act all tough on the internet, Sad that threatening gun violence makes some people feel all big and manly.
get the red out
(13,466 posts)I am sick of being nice!
mr_lebowski
(33,643 posts)And when they stopped with their little rant I'd have said "What's wrong guys? Keep talking like that! I'll make you FAMOUS, I promise ... go on with your bad little selves ..."
And if they were all 'what to do you mean' I'd have recited their words back to them, loud enough to get attention, then I've have turned to the people around them and asked them 'did you hear those kids talking like that? About how whites should be allowed to murder immigrants for the 4th of July?'. Hopefully some of them would've nodded/said yes at the very least.
Then I've said "look guys, you wanna talk like that amongst yourselves, at your playground, during recess or whatever, it's a free country. But talking that way, loudly, in public? That's like yelling 'fire' in a theater. There's LIMITS, kids? You get me?
Now are you done talking this way or do I need to keep filming?"
(according to a witness, that's the crap these kids were talking, not sure if true, but if it IS what started the incident ... and I'd heard it)
Alea
(706 posts)They are kids. They probably don't even know why they are wearing the hat. Hell, they could vote dem in 2 years. Our society has always given leeway to minors for being stupid because Kids do stupid stuff. Your way is the correct way. Kino's way cemmented their beliefs that our side really is crazy.
Honeycombe8
(37,648 posts)Alea
(706 posts)She posted the video after they showed it to her. From every News source accounting, it was only the 3 boys in the booth.
zanana1
(6,113 posts)I'm backing the soda thrower! It's not like he ran his car into those kids, is it?
mr_lebowski
(33,643 posts)Red Mountain
(1,733 posts)You think there might have been employees there who saw the hat and couldn't say a word for fear of losing their jobs? Of course their were.
I see a MAGA hat as an attempt at intimidation. Intimidation using a very passive voice.
Good people should avoid any action that would put them in legal jeopardy.....but addressing the hat up close and personal.......that needs to happen. Yes, he was an adult versus kids. Not entirely fair but I think it is fair to say 'it takes a village to raise a child'.
Give them a good talking to and stick a finger in their food. Works wonders.
JustAnotherGen
(31,823 posts)I just read this elsewhere:
This is no time to be civil. This is no time for appeasement.
Push back. If physically pushed - defend yourself. Don't be the original pusher.
Example - Tom Malinowski (CD-7 Democratic Candidate) marched in a parade on 4th of July with County Democratics and local Candidates.
A Citizen yelled from his porch "Go home!"
They yelled back with much hostility: WE ARE HOME!!!!!
He went inside.
Ain't no takesy backsey. <- JAG's dad quote.
The high road says - oh win his heart and mind.
The higher road says -No retreat and no surrender. Authoritarian Fascists "know" anger, force, yelling, threats in numbers etc etc. They can't be won over.
So ROAR!!!!!
oberliner
(58,724 posts)Seems like that is a no brainer.
Honeycombe8
(37,648 posts)It's a given that people shouldn't throw soda on each other & steal another's hat. For one thing, that could get a person shot.
But the OP was about the overreaction of the Trumpers to an incident that was minor, in comparison to the incidents that have been caused by those on the right that resulted in physical injury and death.
I noticed that overreaction on a local community forum, where they are outraged! Shocked! How dare he do that! What's the world coming to! But they were silent during Charlottesville, where blacks were beaten up, MAGAs and supremacists were marching together, where a woman was killed & others seriously injured, or that incident where the NY young lawyer goes off in a deli about the workers there speaking Spanish, or the children being taken from their parents & incarcerated in cages, or the groups of high school students wearing MAGA hats and taunting Hispanic students in the lunchroom, etc. Remember when Tea Partiers yelled derogatory names to the Congress' Black Caucus as they entered the building...and someone spit on one them? No reaction from the far right on those incidents.
But over the top for the Sarah Sanders incident, this throwing soda & bad language incident, the "anti-American" protests, etc.
Why would they would be so outraged at incidents that pale in comparison to incidents by the far-right in recent years? It doesn't seem to be fake outrage. I am guessing that it's because they aren't used to seeing those on the left figuratively fight back. They're supposed to stand there, as usual, and take the high road. It's easier to bully someone, when the object doesn't take defensive action or bully back. They are truly surprised to see pushback.
Here's a phone msg using the N word by a far righter to a black Congressman, and a shot of a far right protestor spitting on a black Congressman: