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Megyn Kelly agrees with Trump that Elizabeth Warren should take a DNA test to prove Native American (Original Post) ashling Jul 2018 OP
Megyn who? bitterross Jul 2018 #1
Yes, and............ MyOwnPeace Jul 2018 #2
2020 Birtherism. meadowlander Jul 2018 #3
Oddly I saw that segment. They also hit the #MeToo movement. nolabear Jul 2018 #4
Santa Claus is White! We need a DNA test of Kris Kringle! JDC Jul 2018 #5
Why the hell are they so obsessed with this!?!?!? Siwsan Jul 2018 #6
It was not uncommon to hear this Horse with no Name Jul 2018 #12
That's pretty much how I feel Siwsan Jul 2018 #15
It's not obsession. It's scapegoating lunatica Jul 2018 #17
I agree. It is a stupid thing to be obsessed with because it simply isn't a big deal smirkymonkey Jul 2018 #24
You are right, for some reason a very large number of PoindexterOglethorpe Jul 2018 #33
Most people only think they have one ancestor way back when and none of the tests pnwmom Jul 2018 #41
The differences between sibling will be most pronounced PoindexterOglethorpe Jul 2018 #47
Republican logic PeacefulPeavey Jul 2018 #37
that is the correct word to use bdamomma Jul 2018 #39
I think MK needs a blood test librechik Jul 2018 #7
They are blowing this out of proportion like a tan suit. alphafemale Jul 2018 #8
Unfortunately for Megyn PCIntern Jul 2018 #9
+100 blueseas Jul 2018 #23
Elizabeth Warren should commit to doing a DNA test... Girard442 Jul 2018 #10
And releases his tax returns going back 10 years or so Grammy23 Jul 2018 #11
NBC needs to dump her, fast. Her advertisers should know how she feels about this...y'know? TeamPooka Jul 2018 #13
let her go back to bdamomma Jul 2018 #40
Right after Trump releases his tax returns. n/t Downtown Hound Jul 2018 #14
Trump and Trump Foundation taxes/financials? Melania's immigration papers? Freethinker65 Jul 2018 #16
Trump should take an STD test C_U_L8R Jul 2018 #18
Who cares what Megan Kelly thinks? JHB Jul 2018 #19
She spells her own name wrong. Squinch Jul 2018 #20
+1 dalton99a Jul 2018 #21
What does it say about someone DonCoquixote Jul 2018 #22
NO, Absolutely not...Warren doesn't have to dance to Trump's tune fuck Trump. Demsrule86 Jul 2018 #25
Disgusting madaboutharry Jul 2018 #26
When the Orange Swedish Meatball takes a DNA test to prove his Swedish heritage itsrobert Jul 2018 #27
You first, Megyn. Otherwise STFU. DinahMoeHum Jul 2018 #28
It's very simple why these RW go after Warren: She poses a threat because she's way more intelligent YOHABLO Jul 2018 #29
Why would anyone think Trump & Co. would accept the results and not claim results were faked wishstar Jul 2018 #30
I would be surprised if Warren hasn't thought of it at least. gulliver Jul 2018 #31
Agree, it's a dominance test, radius777 Jul 2018 #34
So we get to talk about this instead of -- what? Trumpists are morons. It's a Trump punchline. Hekate Jul 2018 #32
...and her opinion should matter why? spanone Jul 2018 #35
But if a moron open her mouth in a show hardly anyone watches. Does it make a sound? nt Guy Whitey Corngood Jul 2018 #36
shut up megyn and myob Clarity2 Jul 2018 #38
You can take the show hosts out of Fox, but... Different Drummer Jul 2018 #42
She's going to get the shit hammered out of her for that. Good. OnDoutside Jul 2018 #43
When I was a child, my elderly great-aunt kskiska Jul 2018 #44
Who??? maxrandb Jul 2018 #45
Megyn, why not ask Trump to step on a scale in public ? rickford66 Jul 2018 #46

nolabear

(41,960 posts)
4. Oddly I saw that segment. They also hit the #MeToo movement.
Sat Jul 7, 2018, 01:58 PM
Jul 2018

I don’t typically watch her but do watch Today sometimes and it came up while I was doing things. I was pissed enough about that part and then the discussion switched to his #MeToo snark and it devolved into how the movement has widened out so much it’s lost credibility. There was one woman and two men with her and I got the feeling the woman was uncomfortable with the men getting victimy over it.

JDC

(10,127 posts)
5. Santa Claus is White! We need a DNA test of Kris Kringle!
Sat Jul 7, 2018, 02:01 PM
Jul 2018

She can go F right off back to irrelevancy. What a hack.

Siwsan

(26,260 posts)
6. Why the hell are they so obsessed with this!?!?!?
Sat Jul 7, 2018, 02:02 PM
Jul 2018

I know a whole lot of people who have been told they have a degree of Native American heritage. For some reason, most of them identify it as Cherokee. I used to think this a bit strange, and I wasn't alone. The late comedian Charlie Hill, who was Oneida-Mohawk-Cree, used to refer to them as 'Generokees'. Some may be proved out by DNA testing, some may not. So what.

My paternal grandmother's family has been here since the early 1700's. Who knows what might show up in my DNA. And I'm sure that goes for any of use whose families have been here for as long, or longer, than this land has been declared 'The United States'. It can be interesting, but does nothing to change who we are.

Horse with no Name

(33,956 posts)
12. It was not uncommon to hear this
Sat Jul 7, 2018, 02:34 PM
Jul 2018

I was told I had NA in me because I had dark hair and high cheekbones.
Would it show up in a DNA? Who knows.
But being told this was not uncommon. I certainly wouldn’t be compelled to want to prove it to anyone.

Siwsan

(26,260 posts)
15. That's pretty much how I feel
Sat Jul 7, 2018, 03:02 PM
Jul 2018

I've always counted a number of Native Americans in my group of friends and acquaintances - Charlie Hill was one of them. Quite often, when we were at Pow Wows, I'd be the only Caucasian in the group. More than once, someone would let loose with a 'white joke' and when someone else would get that worried look, and try to quietly point me out, for fear I'd be offended, my friends would laugh. 'Oh, don't worry about her. She's tribal, too!' - referring to my Welsh heritage.

That was just more proof that what joins us as comrades is what's in our mind and heart - not our DNA.

lunatica

(53,410 posts)
17. It's not obsession. It's scapegoating
Sat Jul 7, 2018, 03:09 PM
Jul 2018

When Trump is bloviating about himself he creates villains where there aren’t any. He already knows his Pocahontas smear is a pre-set Pavlovian utterance that his rabble respond wildly to. His audience are “trained” to respond to these statements on cue.

 

smirkymonkey

(63,221 posts)
24. I agree. It is a stupid thing to be obsessed with because it simply isn't a big deal
Sat Jul 7, 2018, 03:49 PM
Jul 2018

one way or another. A few things:

- Warren needs to not be on the defensive. She needs to go on the offensive with this topic.. She should simply dismiss it by saying "Hey, this is what I was told growing up, a lot of people were told that they were a certain ethnic mix growing up and turned out to be wrong. So what? It's not a big deal. More importantly, where are your tax returns?"

- Trump making fun of her by calling her Pocahontas is and should be insulting to Native Americans, because it is not meant in a flattering way.

PoindexterOglethorpe

(25,853 posts)
33. You are right, for some reason a very large number of
Sat Jul 7, 2018, 04:36 PM
Jul 2018

people claim Cherokee ancestry.

Most of them, if they get their DNA done, discover they don't have any noticeable Native American genes. I had a recent conversation with someone who supposedly had a great great grandmother who was Cherokee, and could not understand why it didn't show up
when he had his DNA done, as he was absolutely convinced the story was true.

My personal guess is that the claim of Indian ancestry is a way of explaining why someone in the family doesn't look much like the siblings.

pnwmom

(108,977 posts)
41. Most people only think they have one ancestor way back when and none of the tests
Sat Jul 7, 2018, 05:20 PM
Jul 2018

are accurate enough to pick up everyone who has 1/16 or 1/32 Native American Ancestry.

Also, different full siblings inherit different sets of DNA, obviously. So my brother tested for 8% Scandinavian and I had ZERO. And I had a trace amount of Native American (at a "low confidence" level) and he didn't. It was just a throw of the genetic dice. But we both have same ancestors. He just happened to inherit genes of some Scandinavian and I inherited more of other genes.

Plus, one of the most common haplotypes among NA's is also shared by people in Western Europe, so that would make the determination difficult.

PoindexterOglethorpe

(25,853 posts)
47. The differences between sibling will be most pronounced
Sat Jul 7, 2018, 10:45 PM
Jul 2018

when there's a large genetic mix on both sides.

And yes, it's always a throw of the genetic dice. I cannot convince a friend of mine to do his own DNA testing, because he assumes that results his brother got will be identical to his own. I probably ought to order a kit for him, since the cost is actually a bit of an issue for him.

 

alphafemale

(18,497 posts)
8. They are blowing this out of proportion like a tan suit.
Sat Jul 7, 2018, 02:05 PM
Jul 2018

Many, many of us with families who have been here over 200-300 years have been told the same thing.

She was repeating family lore, and that is all.

Sometimes those stories are accurate and sometimes they are not

Over several generations here it is a strong possibility.

Trump is what? Second generation immigrant fond of immigrant wives?

He is mocking many of us really.

PCIntern

(25,541 posts)
9. Unfortunately for Megyn
Sat Jul 7, 2018, 02:11 PM
Jul 2018

Trump not only denigrated her by referring to her bloody menstruating vagina but he would also say she’s past her “sell by” date.

This is who she’s defending. Once a Faux, always a a Faux.

Girard442

(6,070 posts)
10. Elizabeth Warren should commit to doing a DNA test...
Sat Jul 7, 2018, 02:19 PM
Jul 2018

...when Trump agrees to a full psychological evauation -- by a team of real doctors.

Grammy23

(5,810 posts)
11. And releases his tax returns going back 10 years or so
Sat Jul 7, 2018, 02:29 PM
Jul 2018

as “proof” of his beyond staggering wealth he claims to have.

We wanna know. Are you really THAT rich?? Or just all hat, no cattle???

Freethinker65

(10,017 posts)
16. Trump and Trump Foundation taxes/financials? Melania's immigration papers?
Sat Jul 7, 2018, 03:08 PM
Jul 2018

Trump's full complete verified medical records?

JHB

(37,159 posts)
19. Who cares what Megan Kelly thinks?
Sat Jul 7, 2018, 03:26 PM
Jul 2018

Please remind me what she's done to deserve anyone caring.

Her years acting as a vandal to political discourse argue against paying her the slightest bit of attention. Or salary.

DonCoquixote

(13,616 posts)
22. What does it say about someone
Sat Jul 7, 2018, 03:32 PM
Jul 2018

who, after she was hung out to dry by the right wing, sexually degraded by a fat pig like roger ailes, still obediently defends the same men that used her, and still cries about why we do not, cannot, and will not accept her. This is PATHETIC, save that I do not waste pathos on fools, especially those that would gladly cheer and assist killing us.

Demsrule86

(68,556 posts)
25. NO, Absolutely not...Warren doesn't have to dance to Trump's tune fuck Trump.
Sat Jul 7, 2018, 03:50 PM
Jul 2018

I hate Kelly by the way.

madaboutharry

(40,209 posts)
26. Disgusting
Sat Jul 7, 2018, 03:57 PM
Jul 2018

White people need to shut the fuck up about other people’s ethnicity and race. Megyn Kelly is educated enough to know the ugly history of white culture defining the racial content of other individuals in colonized, apartheid, and fascist regimes.

These people make me sick.

itsrobert

(14,157 posts)
27. When the Orange Swedish Meatball takes a DNA test to prove his Swedish heritage
Sat Jul 7, 2018, 03:59 PM
Jul 2018

I think Warren maybe do one too. Deal?

 

YOHABLO

(7,358 posts)
29. It's very simple why these RW go after Warren: She poses a threat because she's way more intelligent
Sat Jul 7, 2018, 04:04 PM
Jul 2018

wishstar

(5,269 posts)
30. Why would anyone think Trump & Co. would accept the results and not claim results were faked
Sat Jul 7, 2018, 04:07 PM
Jul 2018

They wouldn't accept Barack Obama's official short form BC or even the official statement from the Sec. of State of Hawaii, so I don't understand why anyone would ever expect that DNA test results reported by Warren would be accepted as legitimate proof. So it would be pointless.

gulliver

(13,180 posts)
31. I would be surprised if Warren hasn't thought of it at least.
Sat Jul 7, 2018, 04:10 PM
Jul 2018

I wasn't impressed with her last tweet response to Trump. Yes, she did call him incompetent. That much is good. But bringing up the kids being "ripped" from their parents arms in that context wasn't great. I'm sure it actually made the Trump "audience" feel Trump won.

I would rather she had just defended herself. Something like, "I've been afraid to take the DNA test. What if I'm related to you @realDonaldTrump." Or, "Let's both do a 23andme and post it." Or, "You still haven't aswered Bill Maher's question about your own ancestry."

I don't know. I know there's a chance that ridiculing Trump gives up some dignity points...gets childish...whatever. I just feel like we should be doing it anyway, though.

radius777

(3,635 posts)
34. Agree, it's a dominance test,
Sat Jul 7, 2018, 04:47 PM
Jul 2018

like when the school bully disses another kid about his mother .. it's a test to see how/if the kid will respond.

Hillary really took him down in the debates, especially the first one.

She humiliated him about his fake wealth, his fake status, low intelligence etc.

That is the way to do it.

Attack him and change the frame so he's on the defensive.

Rubio's 'little hands' meme also worked .. it got into Trump's head and he kept talking about it for weeks.

Hekate

(90,674 posts)
32. So we get to talk about this instead of -- what? Trumpists are morons. It's a Trump punchline.
Sat Jul 7, 2018, 04:14 PM
Jul 2018

Note it and move on. Engaging the thought in any way, shape, or form only encourages it.

Everybody is entitled to their family stories from their childhoods. European Americans started coming to this continent 500 years ago, African Americans as well. Unless your family was a very recent arrival -- well, at this point we are all related.

Clarity2

(1,009 posts)
38. shut up megyn and myob
Sat Jul 7, 2018, 05:09 PM
Jul 2018

but it would not matter anyway. Anyone that has done a dna test knows that just because a parent is say italian, doesnt mean you’ll inherit that italian blood. And genetic influences get diluted with generations. Its all about the family tree, not the dna test!

Different Drummer

(7,614 posts)
42. You can take the show hosts out of Fox, but...
Sat Jul 7, 2018, 05:31 PM
Jul 2018

you can't take Fox out of the show hosts. Greta Van Susteren proved that on MSNBC and Megyn Kelly is further proving it on her NBC show.

kskiska

(27,045 posts)
44. When I was a child, my elderly great-aunt
Sat Jul 7, 2018, 05:51 PM
Jul 2018

used to say we were part Kickapoo Indian. We mostly accepted it, but she later admitted she made it all up. People say these sort of things in families. Big deal. At any rate, my DNA test showed no American Indian.

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