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Tweedle Dumb was out smarted by Tweedle Dee! (Original Post) imanamerican63 Jul 2018 OP
Is anyone really surprised? mindem Jul 2018 #1
Nope! imanamerican63 Jul 2018 #2
Sort of. But, I'm not hearing about it much in the msm. mucifer Jul 2018 #3
The Sunday talking heads had quite a bit to say about it on CNN. Tipperary Jul 2018 #4
It's still the same central dispute about how negotiations will go forward soryang Jul 2018 #5
Kim Jong Un wouldn't meet with Mike Pompeo. Gothmog Jul 2018 #6

mucifer

(23,542 posts)
3. Sort of. But, I'm not hearing about it much in the msm.
Mon Jul 9, 2018, 07:41 AM
Jul 2018

They keep doing their best to make him look presidential. In that way it's not so much of a loss.

 

Tipperary

(6,930 posts)
4. The Sunday talking heads had quite a bit to say about it on CNN.
Mon Jul 9, 2018, 07:47 AM
Jul 2018

One of Shrub’s staff (forgot the title) was pretty disgusted.

soryang

(3,299 posts)
5. It's still the same central dispute about how negotiations will go forward
Mon Jul 9, 2018, 09:15 AM
Jul 2018

I was looking at YTN news yesterday over at youtube after having read the English language media postmortems of the Pompeo visit, and while the visit was relatively unproductive, I think the significance of the remarks from the North Korean foreign office have been exaggerated. The ministry said that the US approach was still CVID at the meeting, and was one sided and "gangster like." It seems to me that Choi Son Hui or Ri Yong Ho from the foreign ministry wrote this statement personally. It was probably Choi. This is her style. (강도적인 비핵화 gangster like denuclearization; 강도적심리가 gangster mentality.) The Chinese translation of the North Korean Foreign Ministry's statement at KCNA, said "gangster" as well so their is no ambiguity in the language. Some of the language in the official announcement from the foreign ministry is very similar to Kim Gae Kwan's apologia for Choi Son Hui published on May 24, 2018, which suggests that demands for unilateral nuclear disarmament from the US are a sensitive point for North Korea. ref: http://www.nkleadershipwatch.org/2018/05/25/kim-kye-gwan-issues-statement-on-us-dprk-summit/

On the other hand, North Korea backed off then and the summit went on. So Christopher Hill or whoever said it, was right, it's probably a negotiating tactic. It is also for domestic consumption in North Korea.

In any event the YTN coverage (and the North Korean foreign ministry statement) reveals that the essential difference is still the same, the one bundle approach of the US, versus the step by step, reciprocal moves by both sides that the North Koreans want. However, the North should have taken a substantial step or steps after the US suspended military exercises. By unilaterally suspending the joint military exercises with South Korea, the US suggested implicitly that a tit for tat approach to building trust, and eliminating the nuclear threat could be managed. However, two things happened at the meeting in Pyongyang, Pompeo reverted to the CVID type approach, calling it FFVD, which is a distinction with only a nominal difference, and the North failed to reciprocate to the US South Korean suspension of military exercises, ironically criticizing it as "reversible." Pompeo's public statement in rebuttal of the gangster charge emphasized the one sided nature of the demand for denuclearization by the international community. The ICBM issue is probably a sensitive one for Japan and South Korea. I've heard some South Korean analysts interpret the focus on the ICBM issue as related to Trump's so called America first policy.

Allegedly a major failing of the talks was Pompeo's unresponsiveness to the proposal to have the US jointly declare an end to the Korean conflict on the anniversary of the Armistice. This would be a let down from the previous promise of "security guarantees," implied in Pompeo's CVIG formula. (Complete Verifiable Irreversible Guarantee of North Korean security.)

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