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Wed Jul 18, 2018, 07:39 PM

"The Worst Case Scenario Has Been Obvious For A While" Josh Marshal, Talking Points Memo:

https://talkingpointsmemo.com/edblog/the-worst-case-scenario-has-been-obvious-for-a-while

last two sentences very important....

Yes, this is the entire article: ______________________________________________________________________________________

The video clips below speak for themselves. Thereís little to add to them. Iím watching big think types on TV right now expressing outrage, surprise, bewilderment, anger that President Trump didnít ďhold Putin accountable.Ē Sometimes when youíre surprised again and again and again, itís time to consider your assumptions.

If youíre a regular reader, you know that Iím pretty cautious in my arguments, cautious on a lot of fronts. I can be aggressive in how I frame those arguments. I sometimes speak in hyperbole. But in basic judgments Iím quite cautious. Something is fundamentally wrong here. There is no reasonable explanation for the simple facts we see other than that Russia has some kind of hold over President Trump.

I know that sounds wild and I have a very hard time sometimes quite believing it myself. But itís so overwhelmingly obvious that we need to get real with ourselves and recognize what is happening. I donít know what the specific details are. I donít know whether Russia has some compromising information on the President, whether they have enticed him with personal enrichment. I truly donít know. But none of the standard explanations Ė truculence, trolling, anger over questioning the legitimacy of his election Ė none of them remotely add up as an explanation. In the future, when we know more details, we will have a difficult time explaining how any serious people continued to think there could be an innocent explanation.

Astronomers donít see black holes directly. They see other celestial objects being affected by them. They infer the presence of a black hole by its gravitational pull. It is a deduction but a basically certain one because objects do not bend the course of their trajectory without a massive gravitational pull. As I wrote eighteen months ago, as the Russia story was erupting, you can infer the scope and depth of a scandal by its gravitational pull, often long before you know the particular details. President Trumpís actions make perfect sense if your assumptions are correct. Either by fear or avarice or some other species of control that exceeds the capacity of my imagination Russia exerts a control over President Trump. So the US is in grave danger.

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Stuart G Jul 2018 OP
FirstLight Jul 2018 #1
Stuart G Jul 2018 #2
EndGOPPropaganda Jul 2018 #3
bdtrppr6 Jul 2018 #4

Response to Stuart G (Original post)

Wed Jul 18, 2018, 07:57 PM

1. ug

What the hell are we going to do?

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Response to FirstLight (Reply #1)

Wed Jul 18, 2018, 08:05 PM

2. It will take some time, but I think we will get rid of Trump.

How? Maybe through impeachment..Maybe some other ways..
When? ???
Why?.........Obvious to almost everyone, What Trump did is against the interests of this country and ultimately the constitution.

Who?.. Some republicans will also participate. This is the last straw.
.......... All democrats will participate.
.......... Some Newspapers and Some Media will participate..(no, I don't know who or when)
.......... Maybe one or two past presidents will participate, maybe..(Jimmy Carter for one,)
.......... Many public personalities on radio and TV and other media will support Trump resigning.

Opposition to getting rid of Trump: Yes, the almost all loyal republicans will strongly oppose. That will become obvious. Many media outlets. will oppose completely, newspapers, and radio and TV personalities..It will be very ugly, but again what Trump did and said cannot be taken back. Changing words will not work. Neither will denial. This is on video for all to see, as many times as one wishes...
..... This is a defining moment in my opinion.

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Response to Stuart G (Original post)

Wed Jul 18, 2018, 08:27 PM

3. Grave danger

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Response to Stuart G (Original post)

Wed Jul 18, 2018, 11:51 PM

4. either way it ends up,

I'll wager much blood will be shed by both sides. this won't just go away, another thing to be well aware of. GOPutiners cling to guns and violent denials of anything not MAGA and we won't get rid of them any other way. we'll get shot and so will they. i really don't think anything will occur without massive violence. it has reached that point.

all in glory of GOP and Putin. and a dumbass orange POS.

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