Schindler on NYT story: I'm looking for a word here that isn't "conspiracy" but I'm not finding it.

[highplainsdem]

Link to tweet

The IC told Trump the full TS/SCI deal about Russian IW against our election BEFORE his inauguration. Then POTUS attacked the IC nonstop. And lied nonstop too.

I'm looking for a word here that isn't "conspiracy" but I'm not finding it.

PS Trump is done.

[Hoyt]

1. The thing that bothers me about this story is if that's when trump discovered this, then

he would not appear to be directly involved in any junk leading up to the election (other than maybe incompetent hiring decisions).

I’m not sure that does us any good as far as removing him from office anytime soon. Yeah, he’s a crook, liar, racist, dumbass, etc., but voters knew that and still voted for him.

But if he really discovered this well AFTER the election, doesn’t seem much chance on getting him on collusion, or anything else, regarding the election.

[greyl]

2. Don't let that bother you. This is when he was presented with some evidence we had, that's all.

That doesn't mean he had no knowledge of the sabotage before then. It's a marker for when we knew he knew(certain facts). His behavior thereafter becomes important.

[Hoyt]

3. Maybe. To bring him down, think it's going to take proving he was involved before election.

I think he was, if only not stopping it. But we need that proof.

[greyl]

4. Why wouldn't covering it up since before the inauguration not do it?

Edit to add:

Link to tweet

[Hoyt]

6. Covering what up? Intelligence agencies knew it, and presumably key members of Congress.

If there were proof votes were changed, masses were kept from voting, etc., covering it up might get some GOPers upset. But GOPers don’t get upset about Russian lies about candidates, swiftboating, hacking for any dirt on Clinton, etc.

[greyl]

7. Russian military sabotage of our election ordered by Putin. nt

[Hoyt]

10. If intelligence agencies and some others knew it, how did trump cover it up?

Now, if he told everyone who knew he’d have them fired, killed, offered them something to keep quiet, or whatever, it might be useful.

Hopefully, this story leads to more.

[greyl]

11. He certainly hasn't been successful at it, but his intent is clear.

He's been lying to the world about it, in spite the evidence he was aware of, in order to hide it.

[Hoyt]

12. Hope it gets him. I just think we have to show he was involved in this crud before the election, and

tried to keep it going. Finding out after the fact is not the smoking gun. Hope I’m wrong.

Of course, there are other ways to bring him down, like Congress gets fed up with him.

[uponit7771]

19. My understanding his involvement could be simply not reporting it. He didn't need to know details ..

... like when where and who that the IC outlined in the briefing he just had to know some shit was thick and someone else had to know and then he did nothing about it.

My lay person understanding

[triron]

5. Laurence Tribe, a legal scholar, happens to differ.

[Hoyt]

9. I hope a lot of people differ. But, I don't see how this helps us.

How can we say trump covered anything up if intelligence agencies knew it and told him and key members of Congress? Now, trump stalling, GOPers stalling in Congressional hearings, etc., is enough for us to throw trump and GOPers in jail, it’s not enough for GOPer controlled Congress.

On positive side, this might help in 2018 election.

[herding cats]

13. it depends on what you're looking for.

His aides are now trying to spin this as Trump acts like he's indebted to Putin because of something in his head he's imagining, not because he has compromising info on him.

This makes a case for the opposite. Trump knew and yet he still covered it up. Over and over again he lied about Putin's connection to the interference in our election. He even denied the very existence of any form of interference. Both things he knew were blatant lies.

The question is why? It can't be just because of the appearance that Putin influenced the election outcome damages his ego. That ship sailed after his performance this past week. He's obviously pandering to Putin. Why? Why is he literally willing to sellout our intelligence community, our voting system and apparently our very democracy to Putin?

[Hoyt]

14. Putin definitely has something on trump. Could be anything, loans that if called would ruin trump,

info on espionage, maybe sex tapes, or a tape of him begging Putin for election help, who knows.

Not sure what this does, but I agree it might play into something bigger. I hope so.

[herding cats]

15. There's something bigger here.

Whatever it is, it's even bigger than collusion. The IC is involved in this and they know where all the bodies are buried. Which is why Trump has been trying to discredit them ever since he found out they weren't his to command.

[bettyellen]

18. And has been pandering to Putin since they controlled his SOS pick, and set up a back channel w them

So according to the news this week he was doing weird subservient stuff for Putin immediately after the election- and then found out the IC knew Putin was doing things shortly after. I think there’s earlier stuff, but we fed have evidence of collusion on hiring the SOS.

[herding cats]

20. All very true.

I'm not doubting there was collusion. I believe there was, and the evidence is mounting daily to prove the fact.

What's becoming more and more obvious is collusion is a trifle charge compared to how deep this seems to go. I'm beginning to suspect it will seem quaint when we looked back how we had hoped to see collusion charges brought in this case.

As I like to say, time will tell. To this point time has been edging closer and closer to something none of us have ever seen, read or dreamed we'd ever hear about taking place in this country.

[Bernardo de La Paz]

16. The briefing he got early Jan 2017 may have told him things he already knew. So not "discovered".

It is when he was informed of it, so we know that from at least that point on he knew.

But he probably knew much earlier.

[bettyellen]

17. Agree- better framing is he has been lying about seeing the Putin emails and texts for

His entire presidency. I’m sure he’s going to double down w the not beliveing them again.... he’s not a lot of choices. I prefer he has been informed about it- never “he discovered”, because that’s not accurate at all.

[Hoyt]

21. Maybe "there is so much garbage with trump" will eventually be enough to depose trump. I'm fine

I'm fine with anything that looks bad for trump, and this definitely does -- not as bad as a handwritten note from trump with instructions to hack the DNC, election databases, and see if they can figure out a way to flip votes, etc., but bad.

[Tatiana]

8. Nine months, nine prominent Russians dead

Washington (CNN) Nine high-profile Russians, including several high-profile diplomats, have died over the nine months since the US presidential election on November 8.

Among the recent deaths were six Russian diplomats. Some of the deaths appeared natural and governments have ruled out foul play.
In some cases, though, questions remain. That's either because the facts have changed over time, details are hard to come by, or the deaths are still under investigation.

Self-proclaimed online sleuths and conspiracy theorists have filled the information void with speculation that the deaths were somehow related to Russia's interference in the 2016 presidential election. No evidence has surfaced to make such a connection.

https://www.cnn.com/2017/03/24/europe/dead-russians/index.html

The digging has commenced to see if Trump gave Putin the source.

[Mc Mike]

22. "Treason"?

[malaise]

23. Collusion & Conspiracy

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