White Pastie Faced Doughboys who think they are tough guys...

[trumad]

I see it all the time... Ink some Tats, throw on a bandana, maybe some leather... carry a piece...

but underneath--- one empty insecure soul who balls like a baby at the end of Ghost.

[loli phabay]

1. bad move to underestimate them. there are some extremely capable and violent members

A lot of hangers on are not tough but like any group you have a hard core die for the cause types.

[trumad]

2. Point of my Op...

Violent with the help of a gun.

[loli phabay]

4. nope disagree guns or not there are a lot of capable guys

To think they are all scaredy cats is to underestimate and not know your opponent.

[H2O Man]

13. lions & tigers & bears!

oh my!

[loli phabay]

15. no more like hammerskins neo nazis and skins

[progressivebydesign]

43. cowards love guns. you can kill a person from a distance by wiggling your finger...

... just like on teevee.

[loli phabay]

45. no smart people use guns if they are going to do harm

Much easier to use than your hands

[alcibiades_mystery]

6. While I hate to praise these douchebags for anything

I've run into and known plenty of WP skins who are good with their hands and got plenty of heart. To pretend otherwise is silly and dangerous.

[loli phabay]

14. yup same outlaw motorcycle gang members or any other group

No idea what the op is trying to say but every group has pretend tough guys and real tough guys.

[blueamy66]

60. WP skins who have plenty of heart???

Isn't that an oxymoron? seriously

[alcibiades_mystery]

62. I'm using heart in a specific way

They don't cower or give up in a fight. That's all. No need to extrapolate beyond the specific context here.

[blueamy66]

63. I guess that I misunderstood.

I thought that those that "have heart" care about everyone...not just certain people. Maybe you should post that white power people have heart for the white people. But hey, I may be mistaken. My bad.

[alcibiades_mystery]

65. Oy vey

To have "heart" in this context means not to give up easily or be scared in a fight. It has nothing to do with caring for anyone. I sincerely don't appreciate your suggestion that I'm fond of white power skinheads. As I said, I hate these fuckers. I've also known a few who would not shrink from anyone, which was the context of my posts that you seem to be purposefully ignoring for whatever weird suggestions you hope to make. Either you have never heard the common definition of heart being used in this context, or you're deliberately distorting my meaning. I'm not sure why you would do the latter; it's odd behavior to say the least.

[RZM]

22. There's plenty of overlap between these gangs on the outside and in prisons

In many prisons they are quite powerful. In some they are the the top of the gang food chain.

Some are wusses I'm sure, but others are probably capable scrappers. I imagine it's not hard to end up in fistfights when you're running around covered in Nazi tattoos and acting like an idiot.

[Zax2me]

30. Don't believe you.

Think your point was to get that term 'white pastie face' out there.

[NCTraveler]

40. That was the whole point. nt.

[HangOnKids]

49. Really? The Whole Point?

[NCTraveler]

52. Yes. Cute smilie. nt.

[Logical]

3. A really odd and weird random post! n-t

[sadbear]

5. George Carlin addressed this:

At about the 2 minute mark

[trumad]

17. LOL

Thanks for finding that.

[smirkymonkey]

19. Brilliant!

What a loss! Nobody since has ever had quite the nerve to tell it like it is like George Carlin. At least he can still make us laugh for eternity!

[Whisp]

21. LOL! omg

I havent' seen that for ages. Will have to dig around for our copy.

ROFLMAO!!!!

[tjwash]

32. Whiskey and PCP

Awesome! One of his best routines.

[pintobean]

7. Doughboys?

What does that mean? I've never heard the term used for anything other than soldiers - a rather outdated term.

[sadbear]

8. This?

[pintobean]

10. I don't think

he's doing the bandana right.

[NMDemDist2]

9. balls = bawls

[yawnmaster]

11. huh??? how many of these guys have you watched ghost with???? eom

[H2O Man]

12. I agree 100%.

Well said.

I've known a lot of tough guys. And not a single one of them felt the need to be packing iron in public. I have no issue with those who have guns for the defense of their home, who hunt, or who like target-shooting. But the Zimmermans and that coward who just shot up the temple are pathetic excuses for "tough guys."

I believe that yesterday, you made a comment about how they would piss their trousers if they thought they were at risk of getting in a real fight. And that is simply true.

Recommended.

[braddy]

16. You must know strange "tough guys" if not a single one of them has gotten his CCL.

[H2O Man]

23. Oh.

You likely would think them "strange." But that is of no significance to me.

[braddy]

24. No, I know tough guys, they have been a part of my life since childhood, good guy tough guys,

bad guy tough guys, Special Ops tough guys, biker tough guys, rural outdoorsy tough guys, and knowing weapons, carrying weapons, being comfortable with weapons, and knowing the importance of having a weapon to deploy is a big part of the tough man's world and world view.

Tough guys by definition are risk takers, they live in more dangerous environments and more dangerous social circles, they generally fall into either the bad guy wolf category or the good guy sheepdog category, and they tend to action.

[Marr]

25. lol, ok He-Man.

I grew up with guys who had motorcycles, hunted, owned guns, etc., too. We just called them "guys".

[sabrina 1]

27. I'd like to see all these tough guys without their weapons. You know, really tough guys.

It's easy to be a tough buy when you are armed and the other guy isn't. That is a coward, actually.

Most of these faux tough guys, armed to the teeth, would die of fright if someone took away their weapons and said 'boo' to them.

[braddy]

31. LOL, you must do a lot of fighting, giving robbers, rapists, and murderers a good old boxing match

is one way to determine whose agenda prevails in the night.

[H2O Man]

38. Hilarious!

Per "special ops tough guys": one of my father's older brothers was a high-ranking officer in ONI. A WW2 veteran, who helped run US policy in SE Asia after the war.

I remember that when he was 70, and was on vacation with my aunt in Vegas, a group of five low-life thugs (tough-guy heroes to you, perhaps?) attempted to rob them in their motel room. The confrontation began as my relatives were entering their room.

My uncle was a small man, a 5' 6" tall first-generation Irish-American. And, again, 70 years old. He might have appeared to be an easy target for five armed thugs. But he wasn't. Although he was unarmed, he quickly disabled the five larger, armed thugs, before calling law enforcement.

Tough guys do not require weapons. They are weapons.

And intelligent people can distinguish between real tough guys and gangs of cowards.

[braddy]

59. Having served years in a Special ops unit myself and trained and lived with many foreign SOPs, and

having been friends with countless numbers of them and mercenaries over my life, I know that they know the importance of weapons, the last thing a warrior wants to do is to be caught bare handed.

I can guarantee that your uncle would have preferred to have a gun.

We call it luck, real men don't depend on luck to protect their families when all that stands between them and their family's fate at the hands of a madman, or criminal, is that somehow they win a barehanded fight to the death against a bad guy or guys that brought whatever weapons they wanted.

If you prefer to fisticuff it up with robbers, rapists and murderers hoping that you win and of course that they are so decent as to lay down their weapons before you start, or that they will leave your wife alone after beating you fair and square in a gentlemanly fair fight, feel free, but don't try to tell fighting men that they prefer it.

By the way, if you think so much of your uncle and his rare special war skills and talents, why would you insist that he remain forever unarmed after leaving Special Operations?

[blueamy66]

61. So, your defintion of a fighting man is one who is armed with a gun?

My Dad served in the Korean War and after his return to the states, he forbid any guns in our house. He had enough of them in a war atmosphere. We do not own guns. Too many bad things can happen when a gun is introduced into chaos.

I believe that a "fighting man" is one that can hold his own, whether it be through martial arts or just a plain old punching fight.

Own your guns or whatever, but don't tell me that a "fighting man" is or isn't.

Also, your run-on sentences are very hard to understand. Take a breath every now and then.

[braddy]

64. Why strive to misinterpret? I said that fighting men know the value of weapons.

"I know that they know the importance of weapons, the last thing a warrior wants to do is to be caught bare handed."

This bizarre idea that men who know weapons, are expert with weapons, lived lives as experts in weapons and their use, don't want a weapon when facing death and attack once they leave the military is absurd.

Every male in my family has served during war time, and my father saw extensive combat in WWII (he joined pre-war), yet every one of us vets sometimes arm ourselves, my father most of all, until he died.

Make your personal self defense decisions for yourself and for those who depend on you, there is endless variety to the needs and situations of 200 million or so adults in America.

[H2O Man]

67. Dark fantasies versus

fantasies in the dark ...... thus far, 100% of DU "visitors" who claim to be of special operations backgrounds have been of the nomenclature of "engaged in fantasy operations of wanking off so quietly, that their mommies don't hear from the next room." basement dwellers tend to view the world as a dark and frightening place.

In fact, my uncle said that he had no need for a gun in the situation I described with unerring accuracy. Like his many brothers employedd in law enforcement/ intelligence, he subscribed to the saying, "Never talk like you are wearing a gun." Any real special ops individual would appreciate that a gun et al is merely a tool, not an identity. More, "luck" is simply the ability to take full advantage of one's abilities in a given situation.

A special ops individual also has to have the ability to read a situation accurately. Thus, when you make up nonsense about me "insist(ing) that he remain forever unarmed" -- an error that you own, and which can only be rooted in either gross ignorance or utter dishonesty -- it becomes hard to take anything else you say seriously. Very difficult, indeed.

[braddy]

68. Again, you are creating a point of view that I don't have, a straw dog.

My point is that a weapon is a tool, I don't know where you get your obsession with weapons as an "identity", that seems to be typical of those who fear weapons, for some reason they see them not as tools, but as a statement, or a talisman of some sort, a political symbol or something tied to race, or gender, anything but merely a weapon, or tool.

Another constant of those fearful of weapons and who live in movie land fantasies of meeting robbers, rapists, and murderers in a karate battle is that they think everyone on the internet is like them, innocents with no or little hard core background or experience.

You do want him forever unarmed, that is what we are disagreeing about, that you want all the good guys to always be unarmed, to never grab, or possess, or carry, their familiar tools when the stuff hits the fan and when they are reading the situation accurately, as you say.

In your keyboard world, we merely Kung Fu the bad guys and win and save our wives and children, that is not exactly a soldiers thinking, and it sure doesn't fit the reality that lives outside your front door.

Weapons stop millions of crimes every year, and save countless lives in the world of reality.

[H2O Man]

69. You are silly.

Not to be mistaken with serious.

[trumad]

18. Yeah---I'm sick of Fuax tough guys.

Watch the Carlin clip up above.... perfect.

[datasuspect]

20. a lot of their dads are internet tough guys

[Bjorn Against]

26. I opened this thread expecting to see this pic that was posted on George Takei's Facebook page today

I know it so very, very wrong but I admit that I laughed when I saw it.

[Manifestor_of_Light]

28. The word is "bawl" as in "cry", not "ball".....

"Ball" is slang for another activity.

BAWL
VERB w/out object:
1. to cry or wail lustily.
VERB w/ object:
2. to utter or proclaim by outcry; shout out.
3. to offer for sale by shouting; as a hawker.
NOUN :
4. a loud shout; outcry.
5. a period or spell of loud crying or weeping.
6. the noise made by a calf.
VERB PHRASE
7. bawl out; informal. To scold vociferously. To reprimand or scold vigorously.


You are excused if English is not your first language. Thank you.

[Zax2me]

29. Watch it. Else others will throw slangs around

About the hoods and crooks on the evening news.
All evil isn't white.

[JI7]

33. people who would cry at the end of Ghost are usually not the hateful types

they are the the ones who can empathize with others and least likely to be violent.

[Bonobo]

34. It's true. LOTS of people talk tough on the internet.

They talk about what "real men" are like.

Often they contradict themselves and talk out of both sides of their asses and it is clear to many people that they are self-involved posers craving attention.

[NCTraveler]

55. Well put.

On a side note, where is that pic from. I love Mr. Bean but that pic is frightening.

[Enrique]

35. maybe they are tough guys

maybe their toughness is the problem. Maybe we need more people who DONT walk the walk.

[Bonobo]

36. Yes, and it is ironic to see an OP like this

Where the OP is actually saying, in effect,

"You're not tough. I'm tougher. You're just a baby that cries at Chick movies!"

Perhaps he meant to ironically point at the problem?

[trumad]

42. Wow---is that what I meant.

I'm fucking blasiting the latest fucking douchebag murderer who looks like Baby Huey.

Jesus Christ this fucking place.

[Union Scribe]

44. Lol, good point. nt

[zappaman]

51. +1

Internet tough guys are the funniest!

[Kennah]

37. There's nothing wrong with being tough

It's what one does with one's toughness. What is it for which one stands up?

Ink doesn't matter. There are soft people with tattoos. I find tattoos on women sexy. Neither of my wife's two tattoos are in any way associated with toughness, but she is tough. Friend of mine has a tattoo of the paws of his 18 year old cat who died earlier this year.

Does anyone even wear a bandana anymore, other than the bicyclists I ride with, and I think they are onto something on friggin' hot days.

Leather doesn't do anything for me, except my belts, holsters, and mag pouches.

Carrying? Is that all this is about? An anti-gun rant? Very strange post. Ghost made me cry years ago. Not so much anymore. Other things still do.

[MicaelS]

39. So for men to cry is "unmanly"?? n/t

[trumad]

41. No

but for Ghost...yes.

[Quantess]

46. Fashion Police!

Trumad, I did not know you were a fashion cop. That is a shame, because fashion police are some of the most shallow minded, judgmental people on this earth. Stereotypes are shortcuts to thinking, and you just posted a stereotype.

[trumad]

50. Oh well

[Quantess]

53. Just wait until someone rips on men who wear "mom jeans".

Or when someone stereotypes guys in mullet hairdos who wear pink polo shirts with the collars flipped up. I am sure we will hear the righteous indignation from you then! Oh no, not me. Just because I wear mom jeans, a pink polo with the collar flipped up, and have a mullet...don't you dare judge me!

Yeah, see how you like it when the fashion police comes after you!

[MineralMan]

47. That's true sometimes.

Sometimes it's not. There's only one way to find out for sure, and it's not a very smart way.

Some guys with "white pasty faces" are very violent, dangerous psychopaths. I advise caution around those.

[AtomicKitten]

48. I saw a bunch of them gnoshing on Chick-fil-A

like the douchebags they are.

[Odious justice]

54. mmmmmm...Pasties....

[Nye Bevan]

56. OK. Can anyone explain why Americans don't like these?

Because I can't.

[Odious justice]

57. I bought a bunch at a Farmer's market last week.

They were outstanding. Sorry, this post really isn't that informative except to say that pasties are delicious.

[librechik]

58. Pastie Faced Doughy Pantloads

yup--big talking fantasizing cowards who have to take on society with bigger guns than anyone they know. Just becuzzzzz.

[99Forever]

66. Well there's 5 miniutes I spent...

... skimming the responses to this thread I can't get back. I hear what you are saying Trumad.

Lots of things bring tears to my eyes, usually it's peoples inhumanity to their fellow human beings. I guess I'm just a wimp. I'll take that over being a bully every time.