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AZ8theist

(5,459 posts)
Sun Jul 29, 2018, 05:54 PM Jul 2018

Donald Trump IS NOT A LIAR

He does not lie 100% of the time.

He spoke the unvarnished truth TWO TIMES during the campaign:

1. He said the election was RIGGED. True.

2. He said if I voted for Hillary, there would be a criminal in the White House. 2 for 2!

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Donald Trump IS NOT A LIAR (Original Post) AZ8theist Jul 2018 OP
But he is a liar. sinkingfeeling Jul 2018 #1
.. Demovictory9 Jul 2018 #2
As the old saying goes... Different Drummer Jul 2018 #3
How fancy! TomSlick Jul 2018 #4
You are correct, he is not a liar. SeattleVet Jul 2018 #5

SeattleVet

(5,477 posts)
5. You are correct, he is not a liar.
Sun Jul 29, 2018, 10:57 PM
Jul 2018

He is a bullshitter.

https://ieet.org/index.php/IEET2/more/Messerly20170206

Emeritus professor of philosophy at Princeton Harry Frankfurt‘s book, 'On Bullshit', was a surprise best seller a few years ago. Given the public musings of our recently installed President, I thought it time to revisit the main idea of the book.

... <snip> ...

To reiterate the main point. Liars know the truth and try to hide it; bsers don’t know or care about the truth and try to hide their lack of commitment to it. Thus bullshitting is more like bluffing or faking. Surprisingly, Frankfurt thinks bullshit is more dangerous than lies because it erodes the possibility of the truth existing and being found. As he puts it:

It is impossible for someone to lie unless he thinks he knows the truth … Producing bullshit requires no such conviction. A person who lies is thereby responding to the truth, and he is to that extent respectful of it. When an honest man speaks, he says only what he believes to be true; and for the liar, it is correspondingly indispensable that he considers his statements to be false. For the bullshitter, however, all bets are off … He does not reject the authority of the truth, as the liar does, and oppose himself to it. He pays no attention to it at all. By virtue of this, bullshit is a greater enemy of truth than lies are.

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More in-depth analysis at link.

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