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How is it I never knew Tad Devine was a cohort of Paul Manafort? (Original Post) redstateblues Jul 2018 OP
Aah Yes... Tad Devine..Bernie Sanders Ten Million Dollar Man Me. Jul 2018 #1
Devine was in charge of television commercials and speeches Power 2 the People Jul 2018 #14
I Certainly Am Not And Do Not Appreciate Your Defaming Me For Telling The Truth Me. Jul 2018 #16
You are making the false accusations. Not me. Power 2 the People Jul 2018 #19
I Certainly Am Not Me. Jul 2018 #20
Since you posted the same thing in multiple posts I will just copy my response Power 2 the People Jul 2018 #24
Look If You Don't Want To Believe The Truth Me. Jul 2018 #25
You are either accidentally or deliberately conflating two OPPOSING Ukrainian politicians. pnwmom Aug 2018 #55
After it's been explained multiple times, you can only conclude that it's on purpose. kcr Aug 2018 #66
We know Tad Devine worked with Manafort on the Hortensis Aug 2018 #95
Let's remember Trump and Manafort are the criminals EndGOPPropaganda Jul 2018 #34
Are you okay with his work for Yanukovich? Adrahil Aug 2018 #87
BS is no democrat. And yes Devine did make that shit up. we can do it Aug 2018 #94
Short excerpt of this article: George II Jul 2018 #17
Thank You Me. Jul 2018 #18
Thank you George II and Me for this appalling info. I cannot keep up without help. nt Hekate Jul 2018 #21
Nice deflection but you accused Devine of originating that stupid chant. Power 2 the People Jul 2018 #22
Now You're Just Being Tiresome Me. Jul 2018 #23
Yep.You realized your false assumption about Devine was blown up by facts so you pivoted Power 2 the People Jul 2018 #27
This message was self-deleted by its author Me. Jul 2018 #31
Using the DAILY CALLER as a source??? Power 2 the People Jul 2018 #33
Excellent Me. Jul 2018 #35
Daily Caller is a RW source irisblue Jul 2018 #40
Thanks Me. Aug 2018 #62
You can't tell the difference between Putin's YANUKOVYCH and his opponent YUSCHENKO. pnwmom Aug 2018 #54
My link demonstrated that the people behind Yanukovych, who were directly aided by... George II Jul 2018 #26
The part about Devine starting the chant was a misguided assumption not based in fact Power 2 the People Jul 2018 #30
I opened all three. George II Jul 2018 #43
They all worked in Ukraine politics. That's the point. Yet it is only Devine being smeared here Power 2 the People Aug 2018 #47
That is like saying that Hillary and Trump are both the same because they're both American. pnwmom Aug 2018 #57
well yes since he worked for a Putin inspired candidate dsc Aug 2018 #69
The only one who was still very active in American Democratic politics AFTER.... George II Aug 2018 #76
No. Read your own article. Penn and Greenberg worked for a politician who OPPOSED pnwmom Aug 2018 #56
Who from Hillary's and Obama's campaigns worked in the Ukraine? n/t pnwmom Aug 2018 #52
This was reported before, but there was no implication of wrongdoing marylandblue Jul 2018 #2
Apparently the defense team wanted to make Manafort look Democratic friendly redstateblues Jul 2018 #6
Doesn't the prosecution decide what witness to call first? marylandblue Jul 2018 #7
Yes sarah FAILIN Jul 2018 #9
Well I'd like to think all of *our* money grubbers stay within the law marylandblue Jul 2018 #10
I don't feel like a money grubber would be playing on our team in the first place sarah FAILIN Jul 2018 #11
Testifying without immunity EndGOPPropaganda Jul 2018 #37
What comparison was made? N/T lapucelle Aug 2018 #77
We've known that here since early 2016. What's more shocking is that he is CURRENTLY advising OnDoutside Jul 2018 #3
Sanders needs to release his tax returns. yardwork Jul 2018 #28
Agreed! NurseJackie Aug 2018 #45
+1000. That would be prudent at this time. (nt) ehrnst Aug 2018 #70
+2000. n/t Tarheel_Dem Aug 2018 #78
That figures. Cha Aug 2018 #49
+1 uponit7771 Aug 2018 #59
Cuz he was working for Bernie? Stinky The Clown Jul 2018 #4
He's a professional tirebiter Jul 2018 #5
Thank you -- RandomAccess Jul 2018 #12
Yeah, but Devine was willing to work for him -- and he was a Putin ally. pnwmom Aug 2018 #58
Devine was willing to do the work if his price was met. lapucelle Aug 2018 #80
Their swamp runs deep UTUSN Jul 2018 #8
Political mercs pal around together. RhodeIslandOne Jul 2018 #13
There are a few pairs like that. dogman Jul 2018 #15
You must not read DU ornotna Jul 2018 #29
I'm a DU junkie since 2004. It was not plastered on the walls on a daily basis. redstateblues Jul 2018 #36
Well, maybe not daily ornotna Jul 2018 #44
I had a kidney stone and was out for a bit and was Autumn Aug 2018 #64
According to a spokesman, Devine was appearing at the Special Counsel's request. lapucelle Aug 2018 #81
That's right, he did help the SC in their case. Autumn Aug 2018 #82
That remains to be seen. lapucelle Aug 2018 #83
Political consultants suck. However Bernie was not the only Liberal Autumn Aug 2018 #85
Did he have other liberal clients after his entaglement with Manafort? N/T lapucelle Aug 2018 #86
I don't think his entaglement with Manafort matters. If it did Autumn Aug 2018 #88
I think all these entanglements matter. lapucelle Aug 2018 #89
Does that even matter? Is there a presidential campaign going on here? Autumn Aug 2018 #92
Anyone who hired him AFTER he was working for the Putin-ally in Ukraine pnwmom Aug 2018 #90
You mean after he worked with Manafort? Or before? (nt) ehrnst Aug 2018 #91
Does it bother you ornotna Aug 2018 #46
that was before he joined Manafort JI7 Aug 2018 #50
So, it's to be discounted. n/t ornotna Aug 2018 #51
It predates him working as a Russian asset. herding cats Aug 2018 #61
This Deserves A +1 Me. Aug 2018 #63
I think it would be wise of Senator Sanders to cut him loose ehrnst Aug 2018 #74
I don't know if it's true or not ornotna Aug 2018 #84
Best post on this topic. redstateblues Aug 2018 #93
Yes, because that's how time works. kcr Aug 2018 #65
Because if you posted it on DU in 2051/16 your post was hidden GulfCoast66 Jul 2018 #32
This MaryMagdaline Jul 2018 #41
yup, EVERYTHING was how Hillary was Evil, Debbie Wasserman Shculz was evil, DNC evil JI7 Aug 2018 #48
ALL enid602 Jul 2018 #38
Hear hear!! redstateblues Jul 2018 #39
So there were good people on both sides ? OnDoutside Aug 2018 #53
+1 uponit7771 Aug 2018 #60
RUSSIA was NOT on The Democratic side of the aisle. Hortensis Aug 2018 #71
Enemy enid602 Aug 2018 #75
:) But that's a cynical joke for ruthless strong men Hortensis Aug 2018 #79
K&R Scurrilous Jul 2018 #42
shame on ted needing a paycheck dembotoz Aug 2018 #67
Because he worked for a candidate who opposed Hillary dsc Aug 2018 #68
Yep. (nt) ehrnst Aug 2018 #72
ASSOCIATIONS! Iggo Aug 2018 #73

Me.

(35,454 posts)
1. Aah Yes... Tad Devine..Bernie Sanders Ten Million Dollar Man
Tue Jul 31, 2018, 07:28 PM
Jul 2018

“Tad Devine coined the phrase "Lock Her up" for use in The Ukraine against Yulia Tymoshenko while working with Manafort to elect a pro Putin candidate.

He also came up with "Make The Ukraine Work Again" which was just so close to being a great, big league slogan.”

https://upload.democraticunderground.com/?com=post&forum=1139&pid=12542

Power 2 the People

(2,437 posts)
14. Devine was in charge of television commercials and speeches
Tue Jul 31, 2018, 09:52 PM
Jul 2018

You're making this up or parroting it for nefarious reasons. You're looking to use innuendo to divide Democrats.

Please provide a copy of one of his Ukranian commercials or speeches with the "Lock her Up" phrase in it.

Me.

(35,454 posts)
16. I Certainly Am Not And Do Not Appreciate Your Defaming Me For Telling The Truth
Tue Jul 31, 2018, 10:31 PM
Jul 2018

and making false accusations. The truth is out there so go look for it yourself.

Power 2 the People

(2,437 posts)
19. You are making the false accusations. Not me.
Tue Jul 31, 2018, 10:55 PM
Jul 2018

There is nothing on Google backing up your claims but there is plenty out there from reputable sources as to where that stupid chant came from and when it started.

You posted it for one reason, to somehow verify your misguided hatred of Sanders via Devine.

Posts like yours divide us rather than unite us.

Me.

(35,454 posts)
20. I Certainly Am Not
Tue Jul 31, 2018, 11:02 PM
Jul 2018

and you need to stop making false accusations as you don't know what you're talking about. And I have to wonder why.

pnwmom

(108,977 posts)
55. You are either accidentally or deliberately conflating two OPPOSING Ukrainian politicians.
Wed Aug 1, 2018, 03:34 AM
Aug 2018

Talk about dealing in innuendo. One of the politicians, YANUKOVYCH, the one supported by Bernie advisor Tad Devine and Paul Manafort, is an ally of Putin.

The other, YUSCHENKO, who had two advisors connected to Bill Clinton (Mark Penn and pollster Greenburg), worked for a politician who OPPOSED the Putin-ally and got poisoned by Putin's people.

kcr

(15,315 posts)
66. After it's been explained multiple times, you can only conclude that it's on purpose.
Wed Aug 1, 2018, 09:34 AM
Aug 2018

Trickery on the level of the GOP.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
95. We know Tad Devine worked with Manafort on the
Sat Aug 4, 2018, 12:31 PM
Aug 2018

campaign of Yanukovych, and that not only did that campaign use the "lock her up" slogan against his female opponent Yulia Tymoshenko, but in Ukraine Yanukovych was actually able to imprison his "Hillary" after he was elected.

Let's make a couple things perfectly clear
1. Neither Obama nor Hillary had anyone in their campaigns who worked for that Ukrainian criminal/ally of Putin on this filthy campaign.
2. Sanders did. This created a highly questionable connection between his campaign and Manafort, who has very close links to the Kremlin, and between the Sanders and Trump campaigns, both of which were assisted by Russia's interference in our elections.

The NYT and Washington Post, to name just two top investigative sources, are reporting on the tactics Yanukovych's campaign used, you know. Most focus is on Manafort, but Tad Devine was working on that campaign also. The NYT published an email from Devine to the campaign suggesting he be paid $10,000 a day.

You could have easily found this and more information published recently in the U.S.. Plus, of course far more details on the dirty campaign tactics are available from reports closer in time and space to that election. Please post any you find that separate the two men. Perhaps Devine protested Manafort's tactics in meetings and was overruled, for instance. Perhaps he quit in protest and returned to the U.S., leaving the others to promote imprisoning an innocent woman for the crime of running for office.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/global-opinions/russia-taught-paul-manafort-all-his-dirty-tricks/2017/10/30/95887e82-bdb7-11e7-959c-fe2b598d8c00_story.html?utm_term=.5c1ae537ef87

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/08/01/us/politics/fara-foreign-agents-mueller.html

EndGOPPropaganda

(1,117 posts)
34. Let's remember Trump and Manafort are the criminals
Tue Jul 31, 2018, 11:31 PM
Jul 2018

If Mueller thought he’d be indicting Devine, he’d have given him immunity to testify today.

The right is desperately trying to equate Trump and Manafort. That’s like trying to equate Lance Armstrong with the guy in your gym that takes creatine.
One is the mastermind who has damaged the whole enterprise, while the other is someone who has worked with some shady people but is far far far away from Paul Manafort.

 

Adrahil

(13,340 posts)
87. Are you okay with his work for Yanukovich?
Wed Aug 1, 2018, 09:04 PM
Aug 2018

And his admiration for Paul Manafort?

Bernie made a mistake hiring him.

George II

(67,782 posts)
17. Short excerpt of this article:
Tue Jul 31, 2018, 10:36 PM
Jul 2018
http://suffragio.org/2016/07/19/this-is-what-lock-her-up-means-in-american-politics/

When the pro-Russian clique in Ukraine yelled, “LOCK HER UP” in 2010, after Manafort helped Yanukovych win election, that’s exactly what Ukraine’s new government did. Yanukovych put Yulia Tymoshenko — his 2010 presidential opponent and a former prime minister — in prison. And she spent three years imprisoned, until Yanukovych fled Ukraine and launched the country into a civil war that continues to cripple and divide the one-time Soviet republic to this very day.

Me.

(35,454 posts)
18. Thank You
Tue Jul 31, 2018, 10:48 PM
Jul 2018

I certainly do not appreciate false accusations from people who do not know what they are talking about. And the 10 mil Devine was paid by Sanders is also common knowledge.

“Tad Devine, who also received a cut for deals brokered through Old Towne. Devine’s cut totaled at least $10 million by the end of May 2016, according to an investigative report by Slate”

http://observer.com/2016/08/this-political-consultant-made-millions-off-of-sanders-campaign/

“In an interview, Devine acknowledged that he has made more money than expected from the campaign, but he noted that he is working for a much lower rate than usual”

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/sanders-is-biggest-spender-of-2016-so-far--generating-millions-for-consultants/2016/04/28/600170ce-0cf2-11e6-a6b6-2e6de3695b0e_story.html?noredirect=on&utm_term=.09a8100a8431

“Devine was able to net himself roughly $10 million through his work on the campaign. For a campaign that prided itself as going to fight for the little guy, Devine, an establishment political consultant and friend of Bernie Sanders, seemed perfectly content to pocket millions of dollars.”

http://www.thepeoplesview.net/main/2017/3/22/manafort-and-friends-how-bernie-sanders-campaign-also-had-russian-connections

Response to Power 2 the People (Reply #27)

Power 2 the People

(2,437 posts)
33. Using the DAILY CALLER as a source???
Tue Jul 31, 2018, 11:30 PM
Jul 2018

Now I'm questioning some things. I won't be engaging any further with you.

pnwmom

(108,977 posts)
54. You can't tell the difference between Putin's YANUKOVYCH and his opponent YUSCHENKO.
Wed Aug 1, 2018, 03:26 AM
Aug 2018

Other than the fact that they're both Ukrainian and both have names starting with Y, no one should have trouble telling them apart.

Bill Clinton's pollster Stan Greenburg, and his advisor Mark Penn both worked with former Prime Minister Yuschenko, who was poisoned by Putin thugs and almost died.

Paul Manafort and Tad Devine, by contrast, worked for Yanukovych, a Putin-ally in Ukraine.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Viktor_Yushchenko

Viktor Andriyovych Yushchenko (Ukrainian: Віктор Андрійович Ющенко, IPA: [ˈ?iktor ɐnˈdrʲijo?etʃ ˈjuʃtʃenko] (About this sound listen); born February 23, 1954) is a Ukrainian politician who was the third President of Ukraine from January 23, 2005 to February 25, 2010.

As an informal leader of the Ukrainian opposition coalition, he was one of the two main candidates in the 2004 Ukrainian presidential election. Yushchenko won the presidency through a repeat runoff election between him and Prime Minister Viktor Yanukovych. The Ukrainian Supreme Court called for the runoff election to be repeated because of widespread electoral fraud in favor of Viktor Yanukovych in the original vote. Yushchenko won in the revote (52% to 44%). Public protests prompted by the electoral fraud played a major role in that presidential election and led to Ukraine's Orange Revolution.

Following an assassination attempt in late 2004 during his election campaign, Yushchenko was confirmed to have ingested hazardous amounts of TCDD, the most potent dioxin and a contaminant in Agent Orange. He suffered disfigurement as a result of the poisoning, but has since made a full physical recovery.



https://www.usnews.com/opinion/blogs/robert-schlesinger/2014/02/21/ukraines-long-history-with-us-political-consultants-and-lobbyists

Manafort isn’t alone in plying his trade in the former Soviet republic; as the Times noted in 2007, former Bill Clinton pollster Stan Greenberg was working for Ukraine’s then-president, Viktor Yushchenko, as were GOP operatives Steve Schmidt and Neil Newhouse. By the 2010 presidential campaign, the Times reported, Yuschenko had retained another former Clinton strategist, Mark Penn, while then-Prime Minister Yulia Tymoshenko had hired David Axelrod’s old firm, AKPD Media. (It’s a small world after all: Schmidt would go on to manage John McCain’s 2008 presidential campaign against AKPD client Barack Obama; Newhouse would in 2012 poll for long-time client Mitt Romney in his presidential bid.)




https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-29761799

Russia helped ousted Ukraine President Viktor Yanukovych to flee from violent protests in February, Russian leader Vladimir Putin has said.

It is the first time Mr Putin has given details of how he helped his ally escape.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/local/wp/2018/07/31/paul-manafort-trial-live-coverage/?utm_term=.8833ec3a4f05

Tad Devine described to the jury how Paul Manafort’s team brought American politics to Ukraine, including professional polling and advertising, a team of advance staffers, and people to monitor the voting process itself. When Viktor Yanukovych won the presidential race in February 2010, it was Devine who wrote his victory night speech.

That night, Devine and Manafort exchanged congratulatory notes, with Devine offering especially complimentary comments on Manafort’s work. Devine said he told Manafort that he had brought “tremendous discipline” to Yanukovych’s effort. He explained to the jury that campaigns often go awry when they go off message. But the Ukrainian’s campaign “delivered the message with numbing repetition,” thanks to Manafort.


George II

(67,782 posts)
26. My link demonstrated that the people behind Yanukovych, who were directly aided by...
Tue Jul 31, 2018, 11:16 PM
Jul 2018

...Manafort and Devine (who were WELL paid for that) began the "lock her up" chant, your links only show when that chant began against Clinton in 2016.

Who are the Clinton and Obama campaign advisers who worked in the Ukraine?

Power 2 the People

(2,437 posts)
30. The part about Devine starting the chant was a misguided assumption not based in fact
Tue Jul 31, 2018, 11:22 PM
Jul 2018

I guess you didn't open any of the links I sent debunking your bull. Let me help you, Mark Penn and Stan Greenberg, both Clinton strategists both worked for Manafort and the Russians. David Axelrod's company did the same thing. Steve Schmidt is a Republican but he is virulently anti-Trump and he did too.

They were all WELL PAID.

Please read:

[link:https://www.usnews.com/opinion/blogs/robert-schlesinger/2014/02/21/ukraines-long-history-with-us-political-consultants-and-lobbyists|]

George II

(67,782 posts)
43. I opened all three.
Tue Jul 31, 2018, 11:51 PM
Jul 2018

Mark Penn worked for the Clinton campaign(s) prior to working for the Ukraine (last worked in Hillary Clinton's campaign in 2008)

Same thing for Stan Greenberg. I don't see anything about either of them working for Manafort and the Russians.

As for Axelrod, he left AKPD in 2008 to work in Obama's administration - two years before his company worked in the Ukraine. BUT, big but..........AKPD worked on the campaign of Yulia Tymoshenko, Viktor Yanukovych's opponent, and SHE was the person who was the original target of the "Lock her up" chant!

Note that ALL of them worked for the Ukraine once their ties with Clinton and Obama were severed, and Axelrod was no longer affiliated with AKPD when they worked there.

Steve Schmidt never worked on any Democratic campaigns.

"...debunking your [my] bull"? I think not.

Power 2 the People

(2,437 posts)
47. They all worked in Ukraine politics. That's the point. Yet it is only Devine being smeared here
Wed Aug 1, 2018, 12:30 AM
Aug 2018

Penn and Devine worked on Yanukovych's campaign at the same time. It makes no material difference that one of them worked for Clinton 2 years prior to Ukraine and the other went on to work on the Sanders campaign 5 years later.

The erroneous innuendo is nothing more than a backhanded way to slam Bernie Sanders. Why aren't we questioning Jimmy Carter,Walter Mondale,Mike Dukakis,Al Gore and John Kerry? That would be ridiculous! Devine worked in high level positions in all of their campaigns.

This guilt by association tactic is not something we Democrats should be pushing. If Devine did something wrong,Mueller will pass his name on for investigation. If that does not happen then this nonsense has to stop.

Here is where the chant came from. [link:https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/trump-hillary-clinton-michael-stoker-epa-lock-her-up-chant-a8362566.html|] A right wing jackass, inspired by Fox News and the "Hillary for Prison" bullshit started it. It's not as if a Madison Avenue high powered PR firm or political strategist would be needed to come up with such a simple
example of right wing classlessness.

It's time to stop the selective tarring of one of many democratic political consultants just because he has a tie to Bernie Sanders.

pnwmom

(108,977 posts)
57. That is like saying that Hillary and Trump are both the same because they're both American.
Wed Aug 1, 2018, 03:42 AM
Aug 2018

Tad Devine and Manafort worked for the Putin ally, Yanukovych.

Greenberg and Penn worked for his opponent, Yuschenko.

dsc

(52,160 posts)
69. well yes since he worked for a Putin inspired candidate
Wed Aug 1, 2018, 10:54 AM
Aug 2018

and the others didn't. The people who worked for Hitler's opponents in the 1930's participated in German elections in the 1930's but were heroes not evil.

George II

(67,782 posts)
76. The only one who was still very active in American Democratic politics AFTER....
Wed Aug 1, 2018, 04:59 PM
Aug 2018

....they worked in the Ukraine (and some never did anyway) is Tad Devine. Also, I believe the only one who was closely affiliated with Manafort, who is currently on trial for a slew of money laundering and bank fraud charges, is Tad Devine.

I know where the Hillary Clinton "Lock her up" originated during HER campaign, but it was first used by a campaign back in 2010 by the campaign of the candidate for whom Manafort and Devine were working.

pnwmom

(108,977 posts)
56. No. Read your own article. Penn and Greenberg worked for a politician who OPPOSED
Wed Aug 1, 2018, 03:40 AM
Aug 2018

Yanukovych, the politician Tad Devine and Manafort worked for.

marylandblue

(12,344 posts)
2. This was reported before, but there was no implication of wrongdoing
Tue Jul 31, 2018, 07:33 PM
Jul 2018

So the media didn't real talk about it much. That's also is apparently why he is testifying without an immunity deal.

redstateblues

(10,565 posts)
6. Apparently the defense team wanted to make Manafort look Democratic friendly
Tue Jul 31, 2018, 08:00 PM
Jul 2018

So Devine was on the witness stand on day 1

sarah FAILIN

(2,857 posts)
9. Yes
Tue Jul 31, 2018, 08:14 PM
Jul 2018

Devine was a witness for the prosecution.

I was unaware Devine was a Democrat. Does being a money grubber not sort of negate party issues?

marylandblue

(12,344 posts)
10. Well I'd like to think all of *our* money grubbers stay within the law
Tue Jul 31, 2018, 08:17 PM
Jul 2018

But that is probably just wishful thinking.

sarah FAILIN

(2,857 posts)
11. I don't feel like a money grubber would be playing on our team in the first place
Tue Jul 31, 2018, 08:27 PM
Jul 2018

Possibly wearing the team uniform, but they are on their own team imo. Finding out his "daily rate" sealed it for me.

EndGOPPropaganda

(1,117 posts)
37. Testifying without immunity
Tue Jul 31, 2018, 11:35 PM
Jul 2018

This is a key point.

Manafort is facing indictments in at least two and maybe three jurisdictions, which will send him to jail for centuries if convicted.

Devine is not worried about prosecution at all or he wouldn’t have testified today without immunity.

This is like comparing the space shuttle to your kid’s toy. Like comparing a supercomputer to your 1982 calculator watch. These things are not comparable.

OnDoutside

(19,956 posts)
3. We've known that here since early 2016. What's more shocking is that he is CURRENTLY advising
Tue Jul 31, 2018, 07:35 PM
Jul 2018

Bernie Sanders.

tirebiter

(2,536 posts)
5. He's a professional
Tue Jul 31, 2018, 07:36 PM
Jul 2018

Yanukovych hired him for his abilities not his politics. Same with Steve Schmidt. It was Manafort who advised putting down the protests violently. This does continue to be interesting.

pnwmom

(108,977 posts)
58. Yeah, but Devine was willing to work for him -- and he was a Putin ally.
Wed Aug 1, 2018, 03:47 AM
Aug 2018

And in 2004, his opponent was poisoned with Dioxin by Putin's people.

Some professionals would have drawn a line at working for someone like this.

lapucelle

(18,252 posts)
80. Devine was willing to do the work if his price was met.
Wed Aug 1, 2018, 05:23 PM
Aug 2018

He was hired because he was hire-able for this sort of thing at the right price.

What does Steve Schmidt have to do with any this? He worked exclusively as a Republican party communications strategist throughout his career, expressed continued and consistent disgust with Trump and trumpism throughout 2015-2018, and withdrew from the Republican party in June over Trump's family separation policy. Something tells me that Schmidt is not for sale to the highest bidder.

dogman

(6,073 posts)
15. There are a few pairs like that.
Tue Jul 31, 2018, 09:53 PM
Jul 2018
https://www.cnn.com/2018/07/31/politics/mueller-investigation-foreign-agent-referrals-new-york/index.html

"Since the spring, Mueller has referred matters to SDNY involving longtime Democratic lobbyist Tony Podesta and his work for his former firm, the Podesta Group, and former Minnesota Republican Rep. Vin Weber and his work for Mercury Public Affairs, the sources said."

It is a deep swamp:

"One source said that former Obama White House counsel Greg Craig, a former partner at law firm Skadden, Arps, Slate, Meagher & Flom LLP, is also part of the inquiry."

redstateblues

(10,565 posts)
36. I'm a DU junkie since 2004. It was not plastered on the walls on a daily basis.
Tue Jul 31, 2018, 11:34 PM
Jul 2018

Does it not bother you that Paul Manafort’s business partner was close to being on the inner circle of the Democratic nominee? It has a bad smell. I’m happy he got rich causing chaos.

ornotna

(10,800 posts)
44. Well, maybe not daily
Tue Jul 31, 2018, 11:55 PM
Jul 2018

Chris Hayes: With regard to Manafort: "Tad Devine's gotta be sweating right now."
https://upload.democraticunderground.com/10029788048

Wait! What? Tad Devine assisting Special Counsel Investigation in Manafort Case
https://upload.democraticunderground.com/100210929089

Report: Tad Devine Assisting Mueller in Investigation
https://upload.democraticunderground.com/100210929399

Why the Manafort/Gates prosecutions might drag Tad Devine in
https://upload.democraticunderground.com/100210262645

Tad Devine worked with Trump's pollster in the Ukraine.
https://upload.democraticunderground.com/100210946901

Bernie Sanders' campaign strategist Tad Devine turns up 16 times in evidence against Paul Manafort
https://upload.democraticunderground.com/10142114048

Tad Devine, Come On Down!!!
https://upload.democraticunderground.com/100210946469

Devine signed onto the Sanders campiagn while doing business with Gates and Manafort.
https://upload.democraticunderground.com/100210929946

***TAD DEVINE 2014 emails are evidence in MANAFORT case. And Bernie hired Devine in 2014. ***
https://upload.democraticunderground.com/100210896094

Here's The Evidence Paul Manafort Doesn't Want A Jury To See About His Work In Ukraine
https://upload.democraticunderground.com/10142120133

Autumn

(45,064 posts)
64. I had a kidney stone and was out for a bit and was
Wed Aug 1, 2018, 09:23 AM
Aug 2018

looking to see if there were anything on his testimony about Manafort. I guess from the lack of posts about his testimony that Mueller did not arrest Devine and charge him and Bernie Sanders with treason???

lapucelle

(18,252 posts)
81. According to a spokesman, Devine was appearing at the Special Counsel's request.
Wed Aug 1, 2018, 06:47 PM
Aug 2018

Here's what WaPo had to say about the testimony yesterday.

Government calls its first witness: former Bernie Sanders adviser Tad Devine

The government has called its first witness: Tad Devine, the architect of Bernie Sanders’s presidential campaign. Devine also worked closely with Paul Manafort as a political consultant in Ukraine, a striking demonstration of how U.S. political consultants from across the spectrum take their expertise overseas, where they earn big bucks advising foreign candidates.

He is likely to lay out exactly what Manafort was doing during his years in Ukraine.


Talking Points Memo has more extensive coverage of the testimony. While Devine helped paint a seedy picture of the operation, on cross examination he did testify that he "believed" it was Gates' role to take care of the paying taxes, and he did express his continued admiration for Manafort.

https://talkingpointsmemo.com/muckraker/tad-devine-first-witness-manafort-virginia-trial

lapucelle

(18,252 posts)
83. That remains to be seen.
Wed Aug 1, 2018, 07:08 PM
Aug 2018

After all, Devine did seem to advance the defense theory that it was Gates who was at fault and he also expressed admiration for the work of the defendant. I would imagine that Tad Devine will be seen through the prism of his former business association, at least for the near future. People might be reluctant to trust his judgment.

And the backlash has begun. According to a story two weeks ago in VF,

One could argue that Devine knew what he was getting into. In 2010, when the future Sanders adviser began working for Yanukovych, the Ukrainian leader and his Party of Regions had already been suspected of poisoning their political rivals and murdering journalists. (Yanukovych has denied having anything to do with the dioxin attack that left half of Yushchenko’s face paralyzed.)

But Washington has always turned a blind eye to the sketchy side-hustles of its consulting class. Even if he had a crisis of conscience, Devine’s employment history had relatively little effect on his professional standing, allowing him to eventually earn more than $10 million working for Sanders, to the chagrin of the Democratic Socialist’s supporters.


https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2018/07/bernie-sanders-strategist-tad-devine-paul-manafort-files-mueller

Autumn

(45,064 posts)
88. I don't think his entaglement with Manafort matters. If it did
Wed Aug 1, 2018, 09:41 PM
Aug 2018

I think Mueller would be all over him like he was Democratic lobbyist Tony Podesta. That started out as a a fact-finding mission about the ECMU and Manafort's role in the campaign, but is now a criminal inquiry into whether the firm violated the Foreign Agents Registration Act.

I have no problem if Mueller is investigating Devine and I think if he were it would have come out already, like Podesta's connections to Manafort did.

lapucelle

(18,252 posts)
89. I think all these entanglements matter.
Wed Aug 1, 2018, 10:27 PM
Aug 2018

However, they do not all matter equally. The entanglement of the relative of a presidential candidate's campaign official matters less than the entanglement of an actual campaign official.

After all, we don't choose our relatives, but we do choose the boundaries for what we will do in the pursuit of money or power.

And candidates do choose who to hire to manage their campaigns, so Trump's attempts to distance himself from Manafort are ridiculous at best. Manafort's work in Ukraine was a matter of public record when Trump brought him into the campaign.

Autumn

(45,064 posts)
92. Does that even matter? Is there a presidential campaign going on here?
Thu Aug 2, 2018, 09:27 AM
Aug 2018

Maybe 10 million from Sanders was enough for a while and he hasn't taken on new clients overseas ? You think consultants and lobbing firms should only work with Liberals? They don't. What about firms and people like Carvell, Mark Penn AKPD and Benenson Strategy Group and others that Clinton and Obama used who are working in the Ukraine, and Afghanistan on elections?

https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2018/07/bernie-sanders-strategist-tad-devine-paul-manafort-files-mueller

Despite the pearl-clutching across the Internet, both on Twitter and from the likes of the New York Post, it’s highly unlikely that Devine had a hand in any Russian collusion. A top Democratic strategist for Al Gore and John Kerry’s presidential campaigns, Devine worked closely with Manafort in 2010 to elect the pro-Russian Ukraninan president Viktor Yanukovych. He left the team two years later, however, when Yanukovych began to indulge his autocratic impulses, jailing political rival Yulia Tymoshenko. (Manafort, it seems, had no such qualms, continuing to defend his work in Ukraine even after he was placed under house arrest.) It’s far more likely that his appearance in Mueller’s filing is mere context—a footnote in Mueller’s efforts to lay bare the nature of Manafort’s work in Ukraine.

In the late 2000s and early 2010s, high-powered political operatives who found themselves drawn to Tymoshenko and Yanukovych remunerative cage match included not only Manafort and Devine, but Democratic super-lobbyist Tony Podesta, Clinton strategist Mark Penn, and John McCain’s presidential campaign manager, Steve Schmidt, on the pro-Yanukovych side, and Paul Begala and David Axelrod’s firm, AKPD Message and Media, on Tymoshenko’s. Nor did the trend stop after Yanukovych assumed power and began jailing his rivals: a Reuters article from 2013 reported that pro-Yanukovych groups had paid two of their Washington representatives $1.46 million, with $900,000 going to the Podesta Group. “A lot of people are making a lot of money off Ukraine’s political competition,” Bruce Jackson, president of the Project on Transitional Democracies, told Reuters at the time.


My opinion is all this shit overseas should be illegal but politicians will use whatever and whoever they can to get elected.
 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
91. You mean after he worked with Manafort? Or before? (nt)
Thu Aug 2, 2018, 07:22 AM
Aug 2018

Because when he worked with Manafort, his clientele could not be called liberal, or a friend of the "working man."

Yanukovych’s fraudulent election in 2004 as Ukraine’s president was invalidated, but not before his opponent was poisoned by dioxin. Yet testimony in the Manafort trial and documents released by Manafort’s lawyers show Devine helped Manafort on Yanukovych’s comeback as prime minister in 2006 and successful presidential run in 2010. Devine produced a memo of advice for Yanukovych’s party in 2012, even though by then Yanukovych had thrown the leading opposition politician in jail and had built a $100 million mansion — complete with zoo, helipad, golf course and replica galleon on an artificial lake — while his people were, in Devine’s own words, struggling with “joblessness, hunger and the general despair.”

Yanukovych was ousted in 2014 after he halted Ukraine’s movement toward the European Union, yet Devine offered to help Manafort’s efforts in the 2014 Ukraine election — for a price. “We are ready to take on this project,” he wrote to Manafort partner Rick Gates, for $100,000 per month (payable in advance), $25,000 per week of runoff, a $50,000 “success fee” and expenses including first-class airfare. In June 2014 — even as talks about the Sanders presidential run were getting underway — Devine went to Ukraine to help remnants of Yanukovych’s party reforming under a new name. “My rate for something like this would be $10,000/day, including travel days,” he wrote to Gates.


https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/the-bernie-sanders-ad-man-who-played-paul-manaforts-game/2018/08/01/0df78c18-95c7-11e8-a679-b09212fb69c2_story.html?utm_term=.8bd95c3098ed

ornotna

(10,800 posts)
46. Does it bother you
Wed Aug 1, 2018, 12:26 AM
Aug 2018

That he was also a senior adviser in Al Gore's 2000 and John Kerry's 2004 Presidential campaigns? He was a political operative for hire, lots of different people hired him.

herding cats

(19,564 posts)
61. It predates him working as a Russian asset.
Wed Aug 1, 2018, 06:02 AM
Aug 2018

It's just like any other person being a decent human at their job for decades, then, let's say, one day they decide to steal corporate secrets to sell to another company for a profit. Does that make the other companies they worked at guilty of their future crimes, or does It somehow exonerate them because they didn't do it when they worked for those companies? Nope. Neither is true. That's not how things work.

This is the lamest argument in regards to Devine. He's shady, and he's tainted. That's a fact and any Democratic candidates who can't see that fact now would be fools. There are other non-tainted people out there to use who are equally, or actually more, qualified to lead an ethical campaign.

He worked to help Putin. That's a fact. He's tainted and sullied because of his work in the Ukraine. That's also a fact. I hope his career here in the US is over, but I expect there are still a few Republicans who might hire him even after all of this is becoming a daily discussion.

We, Democrats, however, need to wash our hands of him. He was involved in some very bad and unethical things for his own personal and extensive profit.

I don't understand defending Devine. I've thought he was a shady actor for several years now. I'm sorry he was tied to Bernie's campaign, Democrats don't need that added slam right now, but that doesn't make him less of a sleaze. He is who he is and has been since he sold out.

 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
74. I think it would be wise of Senator Sanders to cut him loose
Wed Aug 1, 2018, 03:32 PM
Aug 2018

but he won't.

He isn't one to turn loose of the small circle of advisors that he trusts.

Even if it comes back to bite him, like keeping Jeff Weaver involved in Our Revolution after promising those lower on the advisory ladder that Weaver would not be involved.

I think Sanders trusts his personal opinion over any outside of the circle facts, viewpoints and new data that come up.

The one exception being the polls during a re-election year in Vermont, of course, as we saw in 2006 with his comments following his DOMA vote.

kcr

(15,315 posts)
65. Yes, because that's how time works.
Wed Aug 1, 2018, 09:31 AM
Aug 2018

People generally don't know about things that happen in the future, see?

GulfCoast66

(11,949 posts)
32. Because if you posted it on DU in 2051/16 your post was hidden
Tue Jul 31, 2018, 11:27 PM
Jul 2018

Go ask them on JPR. Or ask some of them who have returned. They know why.

JI7

(89,248 posts)
48. yup, EVERYTHING was how Hillary was Evil, Debbie Wasserman Shculz was evil, DNC evil
Wed Aug 1, 2018, 12:46 AM
Aug 2018

establishment, status quo etc .

people were posting things from HA Goodman, Glenn Greenwald ...........

enid602

(8,615 posts)
38. ALL
Tue Jul 31, 2018, 11:36 PM
Jul 2018

I think when Mueller finishes his little excercise, we'll find that people from both sides of the aisle will be found to have been involved. Lock them all up!

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
71. RUSSIA was NOT on The Democratic side of the aisle.
Wed Aug 1, 2018, 03:07 PM
Aug 2018

Let's be clear about that.

Russia's big enemies in America is the Democratic Party and our people in government, and Russi'a weapons of war are anything and anyone that can be used to hurt and weaken the Democratic Party.

Nothing has changed about that since 2016. This war against America continues now in this critical election year. No to hypocrisy about which groups are being used as weapons against the Democratic Party and why they were chosen.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
79. :) But that's a cynical joke for ruthless strong men
Wed Aug 1, 2018, 05:04 PM
Aug 2018

surrounded by bodyguards. Those who aren't ruthless strong men can have no friends in these situations and would be very wise to think of themselves as...tidbits.


dembotoz

(16,802 posts)
67. shame on ted needing a paycheck
Wed Aug 1, 2018, 09:41 AM
Aug 2018

i work in a competitive industry.
long history of the giants fighting each other
employees toe the company line and say the company stuff
employees also get laid off and go to work for the other side....

are they morally inferior somehow to those who avoided the rif?

dsc

(52,160 posts)
68. Because he worked for a candidate who opposed Hillary
Wed Aug 1, 2018, 10:49 AM
Aug 2018

had he worked for her instead, it would have led every single, solitary, story about him the entire time.

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