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marble falls

(58,730 posts)
Wed Aug 15, 2018, 07:37 AM Aug 2018

Black women become most educated group in US

Black women become most educated group in US

The percentage of black students attending college has increased over the last 30 years

Samuel Osborne
@SamuelOsborne93
Friday 3 June 2016 08:37

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/black-women-become-most-educated-group-in-us-a7063361.html

Black women are now the most educated group in US, according to the National Center for Education Statistics.

Between 2009 and 2010, black women earned 68 per cent of associate's degrees, 66 per cent of bachelor's degrees, 71 per cent of master's degrees and 65 per cent of all doctorate degrees awarded to black students.

The percentage of black students attending college has increased from 10 per cent to 15 per cent from 1976 to 2012, while the percentage of white students fell from 84 to 60 per cent.

By both race and gender, a higher percentage of black women (9.7 per cent) is enrolled in college than any other group, including Asian women (8.7 per cent), white women (7.1 per cent) and white men (6.1 per cent).

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Black women become most educated group in US (Original Post) marble falls Aug 2018 OP
WHOA!!! This is fabulous news!! secondwind Aug 2018 #1
This does not surprise me, and bodes well for the future of our country. lindysalsagal Aug 2018 #2
while mother's educational level d_r Aug 2018 #9
Interesting thought / comment Victor_c3 Aug 2018 #46
Makes sense that they are the most reliable voting base in the Democratic Party. (nt) ehrnst Aug 2018 #3
Wow! That is impressive. Hortensis Aug 2018 #4
Its why the woman of color gets my first look in an election, the man who looks like me doesn't. marble falls Aug 2018 #5
Interesting thought. I understand that. We all have our criteria. Hortensis Aug 2018 #10
Guys who look like me are 90% of Congress and the White House .... marble falls Aug 2018 #12
Didn't result from MY choices, and we're actually Hortensis Aug 2018 #25
We're good, we're part of the Blue wave. marble falls Aug 2018 #33
You bet! Hortensis Aug 2018 #45
Post removed Post removed Aug 2018 #17
Stay right there, the pizza truck will pick you up very shortly. marble falls Aug 2018 #21
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These are facts and figures and just because you deny them doesn't mean you're ... marble falls Aug 2018 #26
Bye. n/t rzemanfl Aug 2018 #27
Awesome! vi5 Aug 2018 #6
This old white dude agrees: women and PoC can get us back on track. marble falls Aug 2018 #13
Another reason why black women and not white men should be the leading voices in our party. Squinch Aug 2018 #7
And the RWNJ racists are going to get even uglier when they hear this...nt 2naSalit Aug 2018 #8
Uhh... RobinA Aug 2018 #11
White male stupid, of which we are 'blessed' in aces and spades is the mire we're in now. marble falls Aug 2018 #14
That was my thought. Pope George Ringo II Aug 2018 #39
71 per cent of master's ... lpbk2713 Aug 2018 #15
It's 71% of Masters degrees awarded to black students, not of all degrees awarded. smirkymonkey Aug 2018 #58
OK thanks. lpbk2713 Aug 2018 #59
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Sounds like you've not been exposed to many non whites who are educated or the uponit7771 Aug 2018 #18
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You need to understand America has changed a lot since the 60s and 70s uponit7771 Aug 2018 #29
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What the fuck is this shit right here. WhiskeyGrinder Aug 2018 #19
You called it right: shit. marble falls Aug 2018 #34
Isn't the library open yet? marble falls Aug 2018 #20
+1 FailureToCommunicate Aug 2018 #28
Some folks think they're invisible. marble falls Aug 2018 #31
Not only that but educated black women are the biggest agro to Americas socialy uponit7771 Aug 2018 #36
They hate being caught while stupid publicly, particularly by an "inferior" person ... marble falls Aug 2018 #40
+1 uponit7771 Aug 2018 #42
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At the moment, it's hard to argue they're not. Pope George Ringo II Aug 2018 #47
***snort***! marble falls Aug 2018 #48
Great news malaise Aug 2018 #23
Congratulations! MuseRider Aug 2018 #32
That's gotta hurt the white (mostly male) supremacists. calimary Aug 2018 #35
They've already tried to parse it. Not very well. Dumb people have trouble impeaching fact. marble falls Aug 2018 #41
Wonderful! Black Women Get It and Are Hip to What's Real dlk Aug 2018 #37
Ooh yeah, this will piss off the white supremacists! IronLionZion Aug 2018 #38
. Soxfan58 Aug 2018 #43
Great to read some good news! Politicub Aug 2018 #44
Make our elected officials more like ALL of us. I'm way over represented as a 60+ ... marble falls Aug 2018 #49
I'm an old white woman who thinks the math does not add up to the OP title KentuckyWoman Aug 2018 #50
The article was grouping by gender then race not total students. I don't read the OP uponit7771 Aug 2018 #51
Yes, I think it is good news, but the headline is misleading. smirkymonkey Aug 2018 #52
Those numbers would also tend to indicate that the % of black men earning degrees is much lower. MichMan Aug 2018 #60
Good news, but bad headline. Captain Stern Aug 2018 #53
Not surprised JustAnotherGen Aug 2018 #54
Pay equality is a BIG issue. marble falls Aug 2018 #57
Bravo! appalachiablue Aug 2018 #56
K&R! Tarheel_Dem Aug 2018 #61

lindysalsagal

(20,990 posts)
2. This does not surprise me, and bodes well for the future of our country.
Wed Aug 15, 2018, 07:52 AM
Aug 2018

On average, the only significant predictor of a student's success is the education level of the mother.

https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1111/jora.12182

This is established fact: No other indicator comes close to predicting a student's success level.

Ok, no need to post your exceptions: This is how to look at populations, not individuals.

So, that means that in about 10-15 years, the minority education performance gap may start to narrow to a degree. Good news for society and the democratic party.

Let's hope that the same effect may be operating in the hispanic population.

d_r

(6,907 posts)
9. while mother's educational level
Wed Aug 15, 2018, 08:23 AM
Aug 2018

is certainly critical for a child's educational success, for a variety of reasons including everything from level of verbal stimulation given to infants and toddlers to attitudes towards the importance of education for high schoolers, I think it is cavalier to say "the only significant predictor," "established fact" and "no other indicator comes close." There are a host of variables that contribute to student success in complex, interacting ways, there are multiple theoretical models of student success with varying degrees of empirical support, and, for that matter, there is not even consensus on a definition of "student success."

Victor_c3

(3,557 posts)
46. Interesting thought / comment
Wed Aug 15, 2018, 10:08 AM
Aug 2018

Also, when you look at the bigger picture and look at things like fertility rates and whatnot, there is a correlation between increasing female literacy rates and a declining birth rates. As our global population is projected to hit 11 billion by 2050, this is a very important thing.

Educated women, and more of them, are the best thing for this country and the world - for so many reasons.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
10. Interesting thought. I understand that. We all have our criteria.
Wed Aug 15, 2018, 08:23 AM
Aug 2018

For sure, with these educational achievements, more black people will be moving into positions of authority in future, a genie the knucklegraggers can't stuff back in the bottle. In a democracy, anyway...

After electability, I look for the individual person I believe will make the best, most competent and principled administrator for our nation. I'm an issues person myself, drawn to enthusiastic, idealistic policy wonks.

Mistrust of demagoguery, candidates who campaign on getting crowds all worked up over them as saviors, and not bothering them with a lot of detail, is the form my aversion takes.

So I voted happily for both Hillary and Obama, but for me their being our first woman and our first black man were always secondary to bringing the internal right stuff to the job. My vote would have been the same, if not my pride in these great advances for equality, if the package was white male.



marble falls

(58,730 posts)
12. Guys who look like me are 90% of Congress and the White House ....
Wed Aug 15, 2018, 08:35 AM
Aug 2018

I really do not think that resulted purely from voting for the "best" candidate, do you?

I will always vote for the best candidate, but anyone not a white male over fifty gets my first consideration. We really need Congress to look a lot more like the population. If there are two candidates equal to the job I'm voting for the one who does not look like me. Guys who look like me are who got us where we are. Its time to make a serious change and this my own personal affirmative action plan to get us on track to become a truly representational democracy.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
25. Didn't result from MY choices, and we're actually
Wed Aug 15, 2018, 09:03 AM
Aug 2018

together on voting to advance equality, just obviously giving different weights to it. If two candidates really seemed to be good choices, like you I would consider diversity of skin color, gender, ethnicity, religion, or ? that advanced equality to be an important factor. For me it'd be additional, for you more primary.

But all candidates I have to choose from get careful consideration, at least until I learn enough from research to realize I will not be voting for them. I'm guessing it's probably the same with you.

Have a nice day.

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marble falls

(58,730 posts)
26. These are facts and figures and just because you deny them doesn't mean you're ...
Wed Aug 15, 2018, 09:05 AM
Aug 2018

engaged in any kind of conversation dumb or otherwise. But please: continue to think we're fucked.

Too bad you have no talking points of your own. You and Trump both need to learn just because you say it doesn't mean its true.

 

vi5

(13,305 posts)
6. Awesome!
Wed Aug 15, 2018, 07:59 AM
Aug 2018

This middle aged white dude thinks this is amazing and bodes well for the future of this country if we can just wrest it away from the fascists.

Squinch

(51,220 posts)
7. Another reason why black women and not white men should be the leading voices in our party.
Wed Aug 15, 2018, 08:17 AM
Aug 2018

Along with their proven loyalty.

Pope George Ringo II

(1,896 posts)
39. That was my thought.
Wed Aug 15, 2018, 09:21 AM
Aug 2018

I'm not sure the comments on percentages of students are worded well, but I can parse it in a way that it supports the headline.

However, counting relatively recent college graduates at all levels is one thing, but 60 year olds count too. Over all ages of the total general populace, I'm sort of assuming it's still a white man's game. For the moment.

 

smirkymonkey

(63,221 posts)
58. It's 71% of Masters degrees awarded to black students, not of all degrees awarded.
Wed Aug 15, 2018, 04:57 PM
Aug 2018

It is confusing the way it is written.

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uponit7771

(90,433 posts)
18. Sounds like you've not been exposed to many non whites who are educated or the
Wed Aug 15, 2018, 08:52 AM
Aug 2018

... statistics that outline how an A student that's poor has a harder time getting through college than a C student that's well off.

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uponit7771

(90,433 posts)
29. You need to understand America has changed a lot since the 60s and 70s
Wed Aug 15, 2018, 09:06 AM
Aug 2018

You do understand that there's a percentage of blacks and Hispanics that come from affluent... areas also right?

I know black and Hispanic kids that go to 9 and 10 schools throughout K-12 that run circles around red lined schools that were predom white which are now run down because of their stupid state laws.

You need to get out more, stick around ... we can help here

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uponit7771

(90,433 posts)
36. Not only that but educated black women are the biggest agro to Americas socialy
Wed Aug 15, 2018, 09:17 AM
Aug 2018

... entitled.

Even more for Latina non white

I don't understand it yet but for some reason a-holes blow up when educated WoC appear

marble falls

(58,730 posts)
40. They hate being caught while stupid publicly, particularly by an "inferior" person ...
Wed Aug 15, 2018, 09:24 AM
Aug 2018

with our 2018 slate they had better get used to more of that experience. I want smart people in Congress.

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calimary

(82,000 posts)
35. That's gotta hurt the white (mostly male) supremacists.
Wed Aug 15, 2018, 09:15 AM
Aug 2018

Just watch: they’ll deny it. Or try to pretend it doesn’t exist.

dlk

(11,702 posts)
37. Wonderful! Black Women Get It and Are Hip to What's Real
Wed Aug 15, 2018, 09:18 AM
Aug 2018

They can't afford to buy into any BS and understand a good education is their ticket to ride.

Politicub

(12,165 posts)
44. Great to read some good news!
Wed Aug 15, 2018, 09:45 AM
Aug 2018

Black women led the way in Alabama to crush Roy Moore. They’re going to lead the blue wave, too!

marble falls

(58,730 posts)
49. Make our elected officials more like ALL of us. I'm way over represented as a 60+ ...
Wed Aug 15, 2018, 10:32 AM
Aug 2018

white male. Its just plain got to stop.

KentuckyWoman

(6,709 posts)
50. I'm an old white woman who thinks the math does not add up to the OP title
Wed Aug 15, 2018, 10:43 AM
Aug 2018

"Between 2009 and 2010, black women earned 68 per cent of associate's degrees, 66 per cent of bachelor's degrees, 71 per cent of master's degrees and 65 per cent of all doctorate degrees awarded to black students."

This whole thing makes me happy and doesn't surprise me in the least. But black students still make up such a small portion of college students nationwide that "most educated group in America" is not even possible.

White males from rich families are still holding most of the advanced degrees. This needs to change.,

uponit7771

(90,433 posts)
51. The article was grouping by gender then race not total students. I don't read the OP
Wed Aug 15, 2018, 11:01 AM
Aug 2018

... or article title being wrong.

 

smirkymonkey

(63,221 posts)
52. Yes, I think it is good news, but the headline is misleading.
Wed Aug 15, 2018, 11:06 AM
Aug 2018

What would be more relevant would be to post statistics that show what percentages they are of TOTAL degree earners, not just black students.

MichMan

(12,093 posts)
60. Those numbers would also tend to indicate that the % of black men earning degrees is much lower.
Wed Aug 15, 2018, 05:55 PM
Aug 2018

Last edited Wed Aug 15, 2018, 08:40 PM - Edit history (2)

That also needs to change

Those % were not listed in the article for either Black or Asian males.

Captain Stern

(2,201 posts)
53. Good news, but bad headline.
Wed Aug 15, 2018, 11:23 AM
Aug 2018

The numbers show an encouraging trend, but it takes some pretty torturous reasoning to say that those numbers show that "Black women become most educated group in US".

JustAnotherGen

(32,320 posts)
54. Not surprised
Wed Aug 15, 2018, 11:33 AM
Aug 2018

We were trending towards this a few years ago.

Now - how to translate this into HIGHER pay. At least as high as our white female peers . . . .

That's the question.

It's the best way to equal paychecks for all.

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