TPM: We Know Trump Is Guilty. We're Having a Hard Time Admitting It

[DeminPennswoods]

Link: https://talkingpointsmemo.com/edblog/we-know-trump-is-guilty-were-having-a-hard-time-admitting-it

Trump is guilty. Why there’s such resistance to this reality is an interesting question. My own best guess is that it is too disquieting a reality to grapple with. Someone who has deliberately betrayed his country and who is compromised by and under the thumb of a foreign despot clearly should not be President. But his supporters don’t accept that. And as long as they don’t there’s no path to removing him from power prior to 2020 and maybe even beyond. That means that for the present we are locked in a situation in which we must operate in a system in which the person with the most power is working for a foreign adversary, whether out of avarice or fear. That is a profoundly uncomfortable reality. Remaining agnostic on the big question is more comfortable.

That’s my theory. But my theory, the why, doesn’t really matter.

[bearsfootball516]

1. All of this is very true.

We want Trump removed, but the obvious problem is the Senate.

Senate Republicans will only convict if they believe supporting Trump is a detriment to their re-election. And as long as voters in those senators states support Trump, they will never vote to convict.

[yonder]

4. +1. Yes, that is where the real failure lies.

It's one thing to have an unqualified single person unable to keep their 3rd of the government functioning, but to have the controlling votes in another unwilling to check him, that is quite another issue. And if they keep installing judges at the rate they've been going, we might soon have another 3rd which is hostile as well.

[uponit7771]

2. It's a hard reality for some seeing he could be giving away secrets and codes to the Russians

... as we breath this second.

I don't think people have thought threw how screwed we are with him as president

[DemocracyMouse]

11. Humans are smart. Nobody in their right mind is giving the traitor any codes of significance

[eleny]

3. I can grapple with the reality just fine

In fact I can envision his ass being grappled right out of the White House and out of the country.

[Ilsa]

9. I think the Supermax prison in Colorado would be great.

Solitary 23 hours a day. No ego stroking.

Prisoners in a typical supermax will spend their days confined alone in a windowless seven-square-foot cell which contains only a concrete slab and a thin mattress for a bed, a small table and stool made of tamperproof materials, and a metal combo unit of a wash basin and an unscreened toilet, located at the cell front within full sight of prison guards.

Prisoners are confined to their cells for 22 and a half to 24 hours a day. They will only leave it for an hour’s solitary exercise in a barren concrete yard or for a 15-minute shower on alternate days. Technology and design allow for these two activities to take place with a flick of a switch and without direct staff contact. Food, medication, post and any other provisions will be delivered to them through a hatch in their cell door, with little communication or time-wasting.



He won't be able to watch news about himself or ask guards to read newspapers to him.

[eleny]

14. We've had a number of celebs in the supermax here in Colorado

Donny Trump - Come on down!

[kurtcagle]

5. Idiocy

The reason that no action is being taken on Trump is because most Republicans in Congress are well aware of the fact that he was installed fraudulently, and that they hold their seats because he holds his. The ones who installed both Trump and the GOP in Congress happen to be the ones who also own most of the big media outlets either directly or through advertising dollars, and who are doing their damnedest to shout down the ones they don't control.

Russia is a convenient fiction. Putin may have had a hand, but do not doubt for a second that the money for those Russian troll farms came from American donors.

[RainCaster]

6. The real question - why is the GOP accepting this?

If it had been Hillary colluding with Russia, they would have been raising a ruckus. Bit since it's happening inside their own party (and funding sources like the NRA), they are perfectly happy with the ridiculous Russian takeover.

[CaliforniaPeggy]

7. They accept it because it keeps them in power. And that is what they want, above all else. n/t

[BumRushDaShow]

8. "The real question - why is the GOP accepting this?"

[2naSalit]

12. And that's what they found in the orange shitstain.

And then some.

[FakeNoose]

10. Who does he think he's speaking for?

The author/essayist is Josh Marshall, and I assume he's a regular staff writer for Talking Points Memo.

Who is the "we" in this essay? It's certainly not us at DU. It's not any Democratic voter that I know of. It's not anyone who reads a newspaper or watches TV news, other than Faux News. It is probably not any federal government employees, including the military, and it's not likely to be state gov't employees either.

Maybe he's speaking for a few die-hard Republican voters, low-information members of the Christian right, and IDK maybe some neo-nazis out there. People whose t-shirts that say "I'd rather be a Russian than a Democrat." Even THEY know he's guilty, but they might be having a hard time accepting it.

The rest of us are fine with his guilt. We just want him GONE!
I don't think Josh Marshall speaks for us at DU.

[DeminPennswoods]

16. Marshall runs TPM. It started as his blog

after the 2000 recount fiasco that left GW Bush president and has been expanding ever since. It's a daily must read for me.

[debsy]

13. I mean, come on...

I've been saying dumpster is a Russian Agent since long before the election, when some serious journalists and commentators were pointing out the Russian connections but the MSM were essentially ignoring it. I knew in my heart and head that he was guilty years ago. I didn't have a hard time admitting it. I had a hard time believing anyone would DENY it! "Give him a chance", they all said. "You're being paranoid", I was told. "That's ridiculous." The idiots who support him are exactly that: idiots. We live in a 33-40% idiocracy, which is exactly what the GOP is striving for. They are the party of dunces. They don't want no govmint messing in there bidness. Hillary was correct when she called them deplorable. They have no idea about what citizenship means. They think Africa is a country and cannot point out ANYTHING on a map, including the U.S. The GOP base are rabid, fearful idiots. They are too stupid to see the truth. All they believe is reality TV which is not, in fact, real. We are living a reality show now. Oh, and they LUV THEM THERE GUNS! Admiral McRaven was absolutely correct when he stated the biggest national security threat was Pre K - 12. This is what happens when you defund public education and glue your children to electronic devices. We lose our country due to the idiots who don't know any better. There are people sitting in Congress who don't believe in climate change and think that all taxes are bad. Critical thinking is no longer required. Stupid people are much easier to control.

[DeminPennswoods]

15. Marshall's point is that intellectually we know

Trump's guilty, but it's hard to accept and admit the reality that our president is, witting or not, a Russian asset.