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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsHas Trump and politics of the day damaged your family dynamics?
It most definitely has damaged mine. My daughter hardly speaks to me. Keeps her kids from us! My sister won't speak to us.
And when I look back, I swear, it all started about 2 years ago. We were all a happy family before then. But the devisiveness that Trump brings has officially happened in my family. We are now truly the official black sheep in the family and I gotta buy that t-shirt from Amazon. Black Sheep of the Family. Gonna wear it everytime I see them!
honest.abe
(8,678 posts)And I have lost all respect for those in my family who voted and support this moron. Its very sad.
dawg day
(7,947 posts)We're all vowing not to talk about politics with the Trumpian grandparents.
grantcart
(53,061 posts)And deport him to El Salvador?
Bernardo de La Paz
(49,001 posts)grantcart
(53,061 posts)Granted by Bush and Obama with high bipartisan support
To over 300,000 El Salvadoreans, Haitians and others who were here when there countries had massive earthquakes, hurricanes or civil war and had nothing to go back to.
They have lived here between 15-25 years, followed the law, gotten married and contributed to the country.
Trump has cancelled them and they will soon become illegal. There is no judicial review.
Hundreds of thousands of children will be ripped from their parents, much bigger in scope than those separated at the border buvhas received almost no notice in the media.
Bernardo de La Paz
(49,001 posts)grantcart
(53,061 posts)I get it mixed with the more common TPO.
Bernardo de La Paz
(49,001 posts)grantcart
(53,061 posts)Indivisible, resistance, etc.
they are tired and want to go home and I tell them I am really upset about the 2,500 (now 500 kids) that were forcibly taken from their parents but there is something coming that is much worse.
Their eyes glass over and they politely break away and go talk to other people.
Until the Washington Post published this article saying what I have been saying.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/global-opinions/wp/2018/07/06/trump-is-set-to-separate-more-than-200000-u-s-born-children-from-their-parents/?utm_term=.53c6dfafcd47
If you think the last few weeks of separating 2,300 children from their migrant parents along the southern border were heart-wrenching, imagine if 273,000 American-born children are separated from parents whose temporary protected status (TPS) is terminated. That is what could happen if the Trump administrations decision to revoke TPS for Haitians, Salvadorans and Hondurans is allowed to take effect.
After this was published I started getting calls from all of the local resistance leaders asking me to explain it, even the local ACLU. This is 1000 children separated somewhere in the country for every 1 that was separated at the border. Trump has already signed the paperwork, these people are on a countdown clock that will run out in 2019 or 2020. The only person that can stop or reverse it is Trump.
My understanding is that since it is exclusively a Executive Branch remedy that when it is rescinded it cannot be reviewed by ANY court.
The only remedy will be to hide these families in our homes and Churches like Ann Frank.
Can you imagine even writing a sentence like that in America?
Congress, the courts, public opinion will not be able to do anything if he wants to destroy these families, which he obviously wants to do.
Bernardo de La Paz
(49,001 posts)3catwoman3
(23,983 posts)n/t
Bernardo de La Paz
(49,001 posts)Actually, I understand that many people don't know that one, so please forgive me for playing with you a bit.
My way of gently jabbing the original Three Letter Acronym since some people don't know every TLA or other size acronyms (which is the point of the jab) and those who do might have a little chuckle.
3catwoman3
(23,983 posts)...happy to learn new language elated things - THNX!
Bernardo de La Paz
(49,001 posts)(I like word play )
3catwoman3
(23,983 posts)...always remember to hit spellcheck before hitting send.
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Kajun Gal
(1,907 posts)Kajun Gal
(1,907 posts)Bernardo de La Paz
(49,001 posts)Can't blame that one on spell check, since it is not in the dictionary. The proof-reading (important step) is the last and most important "spell check".
Kajun Gal
(1,907 posts)redstatebluegirl
(12,265 posts)We are not going home for Christmas this year, we just can't deal with the MAGA hats and shirts and talk anymore.
DFW
(54,378 posts)Against Republicans, that is!!
LenaBaby61
(6,974 posts)DFW
(54,378 posts)I'd hate to have that kind of division in the family.
We are three sixty-somethings with three spouses, one an immigrant U.S. citizen (Japan). My wife is not a U.S. citizen, and therefore can't vote in the U.S., but would vote with us if she could. My brother's sons and our two daughters all are solid Democrats. It would sadden and depress me greatly to have in our immediate family the kind of person who believes in Trump or watches Fox and actually believes what they hear on there.
I fortunately cannot speak from personal experience, but my guess is that such a rift in a family can be an emotional burden that is far greater to bear than the rest of us could possibly imagine.
onecaliberal
(32,858 posts)dawg day
(7,947 posts)... and some young people who have gone to "polite" relations with their parents.
It's hard to imagine that the relationships will ever go back to the way they were, especially when some Trumpian bigotry is involved, like my cousin who called her daughter's Hispanic boyfriend "MS-13".
It's also hard to imagine that a parent would choose Trump over their own child.
GusBob
(7,286 posts)I know the difference between right and wrong and love and hate
The one crack head Trump humper in our family everyone hates. He belongs in jail or in a grave
As for the other 2 fuck them they are worthless too
It's not about protecting the country, it's about protecting my home and family
ananda
(28,860 posts)My Texas family are dead to me, at least for now.
I just can't stand the racism and ignorance.
Floyd R. Turbo
(26,546 posts)GoCubsGo
(32,083 posts)My brother became a RWNJ and bigot after years in law enforcement. His wife, also in law enforcement, is also a RWNJ. They believe everything her twit son tells them, because he's in the Navy, and supposedly he has inside knowledge on things, which he doesn't. He's full of shit, like the rest of his ilk. The rest of my family and I don't talk much with my brother, or my nephew, whom he poisoned with his political shit, and we don't bring up politics when we do. I had to unfollow my brother on Facebook, because I get tired of his idiotic rants. But, it was that way before the The Orange Traitor came around. Everyone else in my immediate family hates Trump with the white hot heat of a thousand suns.
SeattleVet
(5,477 posts)Well, there *are* a couple of pretty distantly related cousins that have shown that they are full-blown MAGATs on Facebook, but I haven't seen or talked to them in 40+ years anyway, and don't bother interacting with them online.
My 2 sisters and I all served in the Air Force, and are all very liberal.
Different Drummer
(7,615 posts)I am the black sheep of my family, the token liberal Democrat among a collection of conservative Republicans. However, this didn't just start with Captain Cockroach. It started with the beginning of Fox Spews and has been going on ever since.
maxrandb
(15,330 posts)Don't talk to my brother. He frickin voted for President Obama twice and then went full fucking Donnie Short Fingers.
It's like in the past 2 years my brother turned into a bitter hateful old man, and he's only 60. His kids don't have anything to do with him. He sits in his underwater condo watching Faux News and, until he got shit canned...Alex Jones.
Even worse is the impact Donnie Shit for Brains has had on my gay son. He found someone great who he loves and they were planning a wedding next September.
He watched Confederate Jeff and his band of merry fucks at justice systematically dismantle protections for the LGBT community and the day after Kennedy announced his retirement from the court, he came to me and said; hey, we're going down to the justice of the peace and getting married because we think at least we may have standing when they roll back same sex marriage.
So, instead of a day of joy and celebration, my son felt that they had to get in under the wire.
I don't give a fuck what they say, folks voted for this orange turd because he promised to hurt the people they wanted to see get hurt. That's it in a fucking nutshell.
I wouldn't have anything to do with them if it saved my life.
I have better things to do than drink warm PBR in some godforsaken place in Dumfuckistan 'Murika listening to some hayseed telling me how good his sister is in bed.
MaryMagdaline
(6,854 posts)Exactly! I agree with you absolutely
hatrack
(59,585 posts)But I already spend as little time as possible with my SIL and BIL - they've gone from conservative to full-on toxic Shitstain apologists, and they're simply unpleasant to be around.
It's gotten to the point that I just can't even pretend to care what they think, or pretend to take them seriously. I don't anticipate having them in my life at all in the near future.
Blue_true
(31,261 posts)If you wear any teeshirt at all, it should say "Screw yourselves, Righties".
Kajun Gal
(1,907 posts)LisaM
(27,811 posts)the 2016 primaries caused some friction and we just don't talk about that anymore.
Now that I know that Manafort and Devine were operating out of the same playbook, it makes more sense.
The Genealogist
(4,723 posts)My dad's side of the family are raging conservative wacka doodle doos. It isn't a Trump era thing, they've been RWNJs for decades. I spend no more time with them than I have to. There are only two subjects of interest on that side of the family: bat-shit crazy right wing politics and bat-shit crazy fundevangelical religion.
MarvinGardens
(779 posts)The workaround is that we don't talk politics at get togethers anymore. The difference is, we once could talk politics and disagree without hurt feelings. Now, we don't bring it up, which also puts some current events off limits.
donco
(1,548 posts)a family member on Facebook count?
Lint Head
(15,064 posts)MaryMagdaline
(6,854 posts)Immediate family of 7 siblings ... one Republican hates Trump so much hes back in the fold. Proud to have my little brother back with us. He absolutely hates the racism.
Friendships? Some might be gone forever. Not just Trumpsters, but people who didnt vote. I count them as the enemy as well.
I have not been well since the election. Glad, at least that my immediate family members are united.
Are_grits_groceries
(17,111 posts)Some were that way before because they had execrable beliefs. Trump opened the door to a lot of awful ideas and most jumped right through.
I was surprised by some of them. I cant be sure about some. I found out before that there are some who side with me. Finding them is hard to do.
Mind you, I am talking about a LOT of people. Both of my parents had 8 siblings. I have 52 first cousins and except for a couple, I grew up with them in a sense. We were always together at holidays and other times so they arent just faces that I rarely saw.
Now they are gone. I could go to gatherings but I would not enjoy it and neither would they. I have had it with the enablers and hypocritical Xtians.
I dont miss their hate and meanness. However, I have seen them act with kindness so I know that if they have the capacity to be decent. However, they lack empathy and they have let their fear run wild. Scared people are dangerous and will drag you under like someone drowning.
I refuse to stand with their hate for one second.
Boomerproud
(7,952 posts)Nt.
phylny
(8,380 posts)I don't speak to my father-in-law anymore, which I feel guilty about because he's 93 and he won't be around forever. I have asked him for years to cease emailing me his right-wing, nasty crap, and he can abide by my request for just so long, and then he can't seem to help himself. The last straw was an e-mail about how God created Democrats to be jackasses. I told him to knock it off, he knew he'd crossed a line, and tried talking to me, but I avoided his calls and his emails (if there are any) go straight to trash.
My father watches One American News and Fox, and is a lost cause. He hated Obama - hated him. I didn't used to think it was racism, because we weren't brought up hearing racist things at all, but he has changed. Talks about the "Orientals" who lived next door, and now the neighborhood is "changing." I love my dad, so we don't talk about politics.
On the upside, my husband was a very liberal conservative - mostly conservative about government spending - but years of having him listen to Thom Hartmann in the car and talking to him about issues have changed him. He voted for Obama twice and for Hillary, and recently for Governor Northam. He hates Trump.
The best for last is that our three daughters and two sons-in-law are strong Progressives. We did our job well!
ProfessorGAC
(65,034 posts)I don't see family a lot, but of those we see regularly, my sister's family hates "it", and my cousin's family is very apolitical.
That said, i have some that i don't see hardly at all, that are probably fans, but i already didn't care for them.