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Kajun Gal

(1,907 posts)
Mon Aug 20, 2018, 07:44 PM Aug 2018

Has Trump and politics of the day damaged your family dynamics?

It most definitely has damaged mine. My daughter hardly speaks to me. Keeps her kids from us! My sister won't speak to us.

And when I look back, I swear, it all started about 2 years ago. We were all a happy family before then. But the devisiveness that Trump brings has officially happened in my family. We are now truly the official black sheep in the family and I gotta buy that t-shirt from Amazon. Black Sheep of the Family. Gonna wear it everytime I see them!

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Has Trump and politics of the day damaged your family dynamics? (Original Post) Kajun Gal Aug 2018 OP
Yes. I am afraid to go to family gatherings. honest.abe Aug 2018 #1
Thanksgiving will be a bit... quiet. dawg day Aug 2018 #2
You mean like eliminating my SIL TPO and threatening to make him illegal grantcart Aug 2018 #3
What the TLA does TPO mean? Bernardo de La Paz Aug 2018 #5
Temporary Protection Order grantcart Aug 2018 #9
Thanks. . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Aug 2018 #14
Actually it is more commonly called TPS Temporary Protection Status grantcart Aug 2018 #15
Either way, I learned something. You have a point about it being under-reported. . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Aug 2018 #16
Every demonstartion I go to I hang back and then pester the leaders grantcart Aug 2018 #21
Good work. . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Aug 2018 #22
What does TLA mean? 3catwoman3 Aug 2018 #28
Three Letter Acronym. I thought everyone knows that! Bernardo de La Paz Aug 2018 #29
Well, I know it now, and am always... 3catwoman3 Aug 2018 #31
Now I'm "elated" too! Bernardo de La Paz Aug 2018 #32
OOPS! I can spell, but I can't type worth a damn, and don't... 3catwoman3 Aug 2018 #35
This message was self-deleted by its author Bernardo de La Paz Aug 2018 #4
Corrected. Thanks. Kajun Gal Aug 2018 #7
Spell chk! Kajun Gal Aug 2018 #8
divisiveness, not "devisiveness" Bernardo de La Paz Aug 2018 #17
U right! My mistake. Kajun Gal Aug 2018 #39
Yes, we cannot talk to my sister and brother in law anymore. redstatebluegirl Aug 2018 #6
My family is solidly "Citizens United" DFW Aug 2018 #10
My family is solidly "Citizens United" Against Republicans, that is!! LenaBaby61 Aug 2018 #42
I think we have it much easier than many here DFW Aug 2018 #43
Yes. Sadly it has. onecaliberal Aug 2018 #11
I know parents who won't speak with their anti-Trump children dawg day Aug 2018 #12
Yes and I am not ashamed or sad to say it GusBob Aug 2018 #13
Yes. ananda Aug 2018 #18
No! I divorced myself from my asshole siblings and in-laws during the Bush years. Fuck em all! Floyd R. Turbo Aug 2018 #19
No. Not really. GoCubsGo Aug 2018 #20
No. Insanity doesn't generally run in our family. SeattleVet Aug 2018 #23
Somewhat. Different Drummer Aug 2018 #24
OMG Yes! maxrandb Aug 2018 #25
He promised to hurt the people they wanted to see get hurt MaryMagdaline Aug 2018 #38
In the sense of a few more shovelsfull of dirt on the grave, then yeah . . . . hatrack Aug 2018 #26
Just remember one thing. You are right and history will show that you are right. Blue_true Aug 2018 #27
Thank you. I know I'm right. Kajun Gal Aug 2018 #40
We have no Trump voters (that I know of)...BUT.... LisaM Aug 2018 #30
I'm used to it The Genealogist Aug 2018 #33
Yes, somewhat. MarvinGardens Aug 2018 #34
does unfollowing donco Aug 2018 #36
Yes. Lint Head Aug 2018 #37
Hurt friendships and relations with cousins on Facebook MaryMagdaline Aug 2018 #41
95% of my friends and family are DTM. Are_grits_groceries Aug 2018 #44
Yes. Boomerproud Aug 2018 #45
My father and father-in-law voted for Trump. phylny Aug 2018 #46
Fortunately No ProfessorGAC Aug 2018 #47

honest.abe

(8,678 posts)
1. Yes. I am afraid to go to family gatherings.
Mon Aug 20, 2018, 07:46 PM
Aug 2018

And I have lost all respect for those in my family who voted and support this moron. Its very sad.

dawg day

(7,947 posts)
2. Thanksgiving will be a bit... quiet.
Mon Aug 20, 2018, 07:47 PM
Aug 2018

We're all vowing not to talk about politics with the Trumpian grandparents.

grantcart

(53,061 posts)
3. You mean like eliminating my SIL TPO and threatening to make him illegal
Mon Aug 20, 2018, 07:49 PM
Aug 2018

And deport him to El Salvador?

grantcart

(53,061 posts)
9. Temporary Protection Order
Mon Aug 20, 2018, 07:59 PM
Aug 2018

Granted by Bush and Obama with high bipartisan support

To over 300,000 El Salvadoreans, Haitians and others who were here when there countries had massive earthquakes, hurricanes or civil war and had nothing to go back to.

They have lived here between 15-25 years, followed the law, gotten married and contributed to the country.

Trump has cancelled them and they will soon become illegal. There is no judicial review.

Hundreds of thousands of children will be ripped from their parents, much bigger in scope than those separated at the border buvhas received almost no notice in the media.

grantcart

(53,061 posts)
15. Actually it is more commonly called TPS Temporary Protection Status
Mon Aug 20, 2018, 08:29 PM
Aug 2018


I get it mixed with the more common TPO.

grantcart

(53,061 posts)
21. Every demonstartion I go to I hang back and then pester the leaders
Mon Aug 20, 2018, 08:43 PM
Aug 2018

Indivisible, resistance, etc.

they are tired and want to go home and I tell them I am really upset about the 2,500 (now 500 kids) that were forcibly taken from their parents but there is something coming that is much worse.

Their eyes glass over and they politely break away and go talk to other people.

Until the Washington Post published this article saying what I have been saying.



https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/global-opinions/wp/2018/07/06/trump-is-set-to-separate-more-than-200000-u-s-born-children-from-their-parents/?utm_term=.53c6dfafcd47

If you think the last few weeks of separating 2,300 children from their migrant parents along the southern border were heart-wrenching, imagine if 273,000 American-born children are separated from parents whose temporary protected status (TPS) is terminated. That is what could happen if the Trump administration’s decision to revoke TPS for Haitians, Salvadorans and Hondurans is allowed to take effect.



After this was published I started getting calls from all of the local resistance leaders asking me to explain it, even the local ACLU. This is 1000 children separated somewhere in the country for every 1 that was separated at the border. Trump has already signed the paperwork, these people are on a countdown clock that will run out in 2019 or 2020. The only person that can stop or reverse it is Trump.

My understanding is that since it is exclusively a Executive Branch remedy that when it is rescinded it cannot be reviewed by ANY court.

The only remedy will be to hide these families in our homes and Churches like Ann Frank.

Can you imagine even writing a sentence like that in America?

Congress, the courts, public opinion will not be able to do anything if he wants to destroy these families, which he obviously wants to do.

Bernardo de La Paz

(49,001 posts)
29. Three Letter Acronym. I thought everyone knows that!
Mon Aug 20, 2018, 08:59 PM
Aug 2018

Actually, I understand that many people don't know that one, so please forgive me for playing with you a bit.

My way of gently jabbing the original Three Letter Acronym since some people don't know every TLA or other size acronyms (which is the point of the jab) and those who do might have a little chuckle.

3catwoman3

(23,983 posts)
35. OOPS! I can spell, but I can't type worth a damn, and don't...
Mon Aug 20, 2018, 09:37 PM
Aug 2018

...always remember to hit spellcheck before hitting send.

Response to Kajun Gal (Original post)

Bernardo de La Paz

(49,001 posts)
17. divisiveness, not "devisiveness"
Mon Aug 20, 2018, 08:34 PM
Aug 2018

Can't blame that one on spell check, since it is not in the dictionary. The proof-reading (important step) is the last and most important "spell check".

redstatebluegirl

(12,265 posts)
6. Yes, we cannot talk to my sister and brother in law anymore.
Mon Aug 20, 2018, 07:51 PM
Aug 2018

We are not going home for Christmas this year, we just can't deal with the MAGA hats and shirts and talk anymore.

DFW

(54,378 posts)
43. I think we have it much easier than many here
Tue Aug 21, 2018, 01:07 AM
Aug 2018

I'd hate to have that kind of division in the family.

We are three sixty-somethings with three spouses, one an immigrant U.S. citizen (Japan). My wife is not a U.S. citizen, and therefore can't vote in the U.S., but would vote with us if she could. My brother's sons and our two daughters all are solid Democrats. It would sadden and depress me greatly to have in our immediate family the kind of person who believes in Trump or watches Fox and actually believes what they hear on there.

I fortunately cannot speak from personal experience, but my guess is that such a rift in a family can be an emotional burden that is far greater to bear than the rest of us could possibly imagine.

dawg day

(7,947 posts)
12. I know parents who won't speak with their anti-Trump children
Mon Aug 20, 2018, 08:11 PM
Aug 2018

... and some young people who have gone to "polite" relations with their parents.
It's hard to imagine that the relationships will ever go back to the way they were, especially when some Trumpian bigotry is involved, like my cousin who called her daughter's Hispanic boyfriend "MS-13".

It's also hard to imagine that a parent would choose Trump over their own child.

GusBob

(7,286 posts)
13. Yes and I am not ashamed or sad to say it
Mon Aug 20, 2018, 08:12 PM
Aug 2018

I know the difference between right and wrong and love and hate

The one crack head Trump humper in our family everyone hates. He belongs in jail or in a grave

As for the other 2 fuck them they are worthless too

It's not about protecting the country, it's about protecting my home and family

GoCubsGo

(32,083 posts)
20. No. Not really.
Mon Aug 20, 2018, 08:41 PM
Aug 2018

My brother became a RWNJ and bigot after years in law enforcement. His wife, also in law enforcement, is also a RWNJ. They believe everything her twit son tells them, because he's in the Navy, and supposedly he has inside knowledge on things, which he doesn't. He's full of shit, like the rest of his ilk. The rest of my family and I don't talk much with my brother, or my nephew, whom he poisoned with his political shit, and we don't bring up politics when we do. I had to unfollow my brother on Facebook, because I get tired of his idiotic rants. But, it was that way before the The Orange Traitor came around. Everyone else in my immediate family hates Trump with the white hot heat of a thousand suns.

SeattleVet

(5,477 posts)
23. No. Insanity doesn't generally run in our family.
Mon Aug 20, 2018, 08:47 PM
Aug 2018

Well, there *are* a couple of pretty distantly related cousins that have shown that they are full-blown MAGATs on Facebook, but I haven't seen or talked to them in 40+ years anyway, and don't bother interacting with them online.

My 2 sisters and I all served in the Air Force, and are all very liberal.

Different Drummer

(7,615 posts)
24. Somewhat.
Mon Aug 20, 2018, 08:48 PM
Aug 2018

I am the black sheep of my family, the token liberal Democrat among a collection of conservative Republicans. However, this didn't just start with Captain Cockroach. It started with the beginning of Fox Spews and has been going on ever since.

maxrandb

(15,330 posts)
25. OMG Yes!
Mon Aug 20, 2018, 08:50 PM
Aug 2018

Don't talk to my brother. He frickin voted for President Obama twice and then went full fucking Donnie Short Fingers.

It's like in the past 2 years my brother turned into a bitter hateful old man, and he's only 60. His kids don't have anything to do with him. He sits in his underwater condo watching Faux News and, until he got shit canned...Alex Jones.

Even worse is the impact Donnie Shit for Brains has had on my gay son. He found someone great who he loves and they were planning a wedding next September.

He watched Confederate Jeff and his band of merry fucks at justice systematically dismantle protections for the LGBT community and the day after Kennedy announced his retirement from the court, he came to me and said; hey, we're going down to the justice of the peace and getting married because we think at least we may have standing when they roll back same sex marriage.

So, instead of a day of joy and celebration, my son felt that they had to get in under the wire.

I don't give a fuck what they say, folks voted for this orange turd because he promised to hurt the people they wanted to see get hurt. That's it in a fucking nutshell.

I wouldn't have anything to do with them if it saved my life.

I have better things to do than drink warm PBR in some godforsaken place in Dumfuckistan 'Murika listening to some hayseed telling me how good his sister is in bed.

hatrack

(59,585 posts)
26. In the sense of a few more shovelsfull of dirt on the grave, then yeah . . . .
Mon Aug 20, 2018, 08:52 PM
Aug 2018

But I already spend as little time as possible with my SIL and BIL - they've gone from conservative to full-on toxic Shitstain apologists, and they're simply unpleasant to be around.

It's gotten to the point that I just can't even pretend to care what they think, or pretend to take them seriously. I don't anticipate having them in my life at all in the near future.

Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
27. Just remember one thing. You are right and history will show that you are right.
Mon Aug 20, 2018, 08:52 PM
Aug 2018

If you wear any teeshirt at all, it should say "Screw yourselves, Righties".

LisaM

(27,811 posts)
30. We have no Trump voters (that I know of)...BUT....
Mon Aug 20, 2018, 09:01 PM
Aug 2018

the 2016 primaries caused some friction and we just don't talk about that anymore.

Now that I know that Manafort and Devine were operating out of the same playbook, it makes more sense.

The Genealogist

(4,723 posts)
33. I'm used to it
Mon Aug 20, 2018, 09:12 PM
Aug 2018

My dad's side of the family are raging conservative wacka doodle doos. It isn't a Trump era thing, they've been RWNJs for decades. I spend no more time with them than I have to. There are only two subjects of interest on that side of the family: bat-shit crazy right wing politics and bat-shit crazy fundevangelical religion.

MarvinGardens

(779 posts)
34. Yes, somewhat.
Mon Aug 20, 2018, 09:22 PM
Aug 2018

The workaround is that we don't talk politics at get togethers anymore. The difference is, we once could talk politics and disagree without hurt feelings. Now, we don't bring it up, which also puts some current events off limits.

MaryMagdaline

(6,854 posts)
41. Hurt friendships and relations with cousins on Facebook
Mon Aug 20, 2018, 10:09 PM
Aug 2018

Immediate family of 7 siblings ... one Republican hates Trump so much he’s back in the fold. Proud to have my little brother back with us. He absolutely hates the racism.

Friendships? Some might be gone forever. Not just Trumpsters, but people who didn’t vote. I count them as the enemy as well.

I have not been well since the election. Glad, at least that my immediate family members are united.

Are_grits_groceries

(17,111 posts)
44. 95% of my friends and family are DTM.
Tue Aug 21, 2018, 03:03 AM
Aug 2018

Some were that way before because they had execrable beliefs. Trump opened the door to a lot of awful ideas and most jumped right through.

I was surprised by some of them. I can’t be sure about some. I found out before that there are some who side with me. Finding them is hard to do.

Mind you, I am talking about a LOT of people. Both of my parents had 8 siblings. I have 52 first cousins and except for a couple, I grew up with them in a sense. We were always together at holidays and other times so they aren’t just faces that I rarely saw.

Now they are gone. I could go to gatherings but I would not enjoy it and neither would they. I have had it with the enablers and hypocritical Xtians.

I don’t miss their hate and meanness. However, I have seen them act with kindness so I know that if they have the capacity to be decent. However, they lack empathy and they have let their fear run wild. Scared people are dangerous and will drag you under like someone drowning.

I refuse to stand with their hate for one second.

phylny

(8,380 posts)
46. My father and father-in-law voted for Trump.
Tue Aug 21, 2018, 07:53 AM
Aug 2018

I don't speak to my father-in-law anymore, which I feel guilty about because he's 93 and he won't be around forever. I have asked him for years to cease emailing me his right-wing, nasty crap, and he can abide by my request for just so long, and then he can't seem to help himself. The last straw was an e-mail about how God created Democrats to be jackasses. I told him to knock it off, he knew he'd crossed a line, and tried talking to me, but I avoided his calls and his emails (if there are any) go straight to trash.

My father watches One American News and Fox, and is a lost cause. He hated Obama - hated him. I didn't used to think it was racism, because we weren't brought up hearing racist things at all, but he has changed. Talks about the "Orientals" who lived next door, and now the neighborhood is "changing." I love my dad, so we don't talk about politics.

On the upside, my husband was a very liberal conservative - mostly conservative about government spending - but years of having him listen to Thom Hartmann in the car and talking to him about issues have changed him. He voted for Obama twice and for Hillary, and recently for Governor Northam. He hates Trump.

The best for last is that our three daughters and two sons-in-law are strong Progressives. We did our job well!

ProfessorGAC

(65,034 posts)
47. Fortunately No
Tue Aug 21, 2018, 07:59 AM
Aug 2018

I don't see family a lot, but of those we see regularly, my sister's family hates "it", and my cousin's family is very apolitical.

That said, i have some that i don't see hardly at all, that are probably fans, but i already didn't care for them.

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