Looks like guilty on 17 counts with a holdout on 1 count.

[mobeau69]

IMO.

Looking good America!

[lagomorph777]

1. Just your guess, or has something happened?

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

2. Where are you getting this info? Haven't seen it on my teevee.

[mobeau69]

4. They sent a note to judge asking

"What do we do if we can't reach a conclusion on just one of the counts?"

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

10. Yes, I heard that just now.

It's not entirely clear what that means.

[mahatmakanejeeves]

12. And while we're at it, how come juries' notes to judges are made public? NT

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

17. Because these are public trials.

The only things kept out of the public are the actual jury deliberations.

[mahatmakanejeeves]

20. I did not know that. Sidebars (is that the term?) are also private, right? NT

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

24. Sidebars are held to keep the discussion out of the hearing of the jury,

not to prevent spectators from hearing it. If a lengthy discussion is necessary the judge will send the jury out of the room and continue with just the lawyers present but the discussion will not be kept from the spectators (though they might not be able to hear it easily if the lawyers are gathered around the judge's bench). Anything that shouldn't be public will be discussed in the judge's chambers.

[lame54]

3. Explain please

[Ponietz]

5. There appears to be consensus on 17 of the 18 Counts

[link:http://

Link to tweet

?s=21|

[Major Nikon]

19. Possibly, but that's not what it says

All it says is they can't come to a consensus on 1 count. For all we know that means they have only deliberated on that 1 count or something less than all 18 and after not being able to reach consensus they are questioning whether they should move on.

[LanternWaste]

29. It's a valid inference however, with less valid inferences following.

[Major Nikon]

39. Apparently not

[Leghorn21]

6. Update:

[Bonx]

7. Yess!! Got him.

[Trust Buster]

8. This is why deliberations drag on. Too many DU members have been panicky in recent days.

[oasis]

9. No way in hell they would let PM slide on 17 counts. Piles of evidence

stacked against him argues against such a conclusion.

[exboyfil]

11. How are we knowing this

Frankly I would be firing some folks for leaking this information.

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

14. This would be public information discussed in the courtroom.

[exboyfil]

22. Thanks. I didn't realize that

[mobeau69]

15. Just simple deduction based on the note.

Like playing Euchre.

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

13. Lawyer on MSNBC says they can fill out a partial verdict

as to the ones they agree on and keep deliberating on the last one.

[mobeau69]

16. His ass is grass!

[sarisataka]

18. You do realize

There are two ways to interpret that note...

[mobeau69]

21. Only one logical way.

No way they found him not guilty on 17 but are holding out on one.

[sarisataka]

23. That is most likely

However I make it a habit to not assume the ratio of eggs to eventual chickens is 1:1

[Amishman]

25. My guess is more of a mix.

Deliberations have gone on too long for the 17 decided counts to all go the same way. My guess is a significant split.

[mobeau69]

30. That's possible but I hope you're wrong.

I still go with guilty on at least 17.

[Crutchez_CuiBono]

26. GREAT!!!!

[Bernardo de La Paz]

27. Could be anything. I will wait for definitive news. . . . nt

[samnsara]

28. oh goodness i hope so. I was thinking they found him INNOCENT on all but one....

[Sneederbunk]

31. Could expect mixed verdict. Some G. Some NG. One hung.

[B2G]

32. Bracing myself for the coming posts.

It's either going to be 'best jury every, justice was served!' or 'fucking rigged trial, out them all!'.

[njhoneybadger]

33. tRump won't be happy with those 12 witch hunters

[mobeau69]

34. Judge tells Manafort jury to keep deliberating after it asks about impact of not reaching verdict on

one count

"It is your duty to agree upon a verdict if you can do so," Judge T.S. Ellis said. He encouraged each juror to make their own decisions on each count, but if some were in the minority on a decision, they could think about what the other jurors believe.

Give "deference" to each other and "listen to each others' arguments."

"You're the exclusive judges," he added. "Take all the time which you feel is necessary."

The jurors asked about the impact of not agreeing on all counts.
"If we cannot come to a consensus for a single count, how can we fill in the verdict sheet?" the jury wrote in a note to Ellis.

Without jurors present, Ellis also told judge told the courtroom that he will not ask the jury for a partial verdict at this time.



https://www.cnn.com/2018/08/21/politics/paul-manafort-trial-jury/index.html

[cwydro]

35. Irresponsible thread title.

You don’t know this.

[mobeau69]

37. BS. I clearly stated "looks" and "IMO".

[ChoppinBroccoli]

36. Not Necessarily

They could all be in agreement on 17 of the counts without all 17 counts being the SAME verdict. They could agree that he's guilty on, say, 10 counts and not guilty on 7, or any mixture of Guilty and Not Guilty.

[mobeau69]

38. Except that all of the counts are extremely interrelated.

Don't think what was presented to them is open to that kind of parsing.