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ScratchCat

(1,990 posts)
Thu Aug 23, 2018, 01:13 PM Aug 2018

Immunity For Pecker Means Charges For Trump

Cohen has plead guilty and there would be nobody other than Trump for Pecker to testify against in return for federal immunity.

The only conclusion is they plan on charging Trump. Pecker's testimony backs a conspiracy charge against Trump.

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Immunity For Pecker Means Charges For Trump (Original Post) ScratchCat Aug 2018 OP
Et tu, David????? ProudMNDemocrat Aug 2018 #1
Trumps dad warned him gibraltar72 Aug 2018 #34
Well done. Huzzah...... ProudMNDemocrat Aug 2018 #35
"The Failing National Enquirer....." TeamPooka Aug 2018 #2
Actually, it is failing, and it is fake news. lagomorph777 Aug 2018 #14
Except for nailing John Edwards Laura PourMeADrink Aug 2018 #24
Sure hope so. triron Aug 2018 #3
we can only hope lapfog_1 Aug 2018 #4
Ted Lieu: "Trump is in serious legal jeopardy" dalton99a Aug 2018 #5
Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe Aug 2018 #6
Fox news heads are spinning Watchfoxheadexplodes Aug 2018 #7
Probably not Trump himself kennetha Aug 2018 #8
There can be sealed indictments for TRump to be unsealed when he's out (NT) louis c Aug 2018 #13
Would look great in a presidential library! Laura PourMeADrink Aug 2018 #25
Not Constitutionally complicated at all; only politically complicated. lagomorph777 Aug 2018 #15
The real problem is the unitary executive. kennetha Aug 2018 #20
I haven't heard it put that way before and I appreciate your point! lagomorph777 Aug 2018 #21
Wonder how long before duforsure Aug 2018 #9
Will Pecker rise to the occasion? Sneederbunk Aug 2018 #10
+1 dalton99a Aug 2018 #11
heh heh kennetha Aug 2018 #12
Good question. laurieu Aug 2018 #28
Word of two against one. . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Aug 2018 #16
Lock him up! mnhtnbb Aug 2018 #17
I Think So - Pecker Could Be Prosecuted Most Likely PaulX2 Aug 2018 #18
Says Michael... czarjak Aug 2018 #19
Taken down by a Pecker.... n/t gay texan Aug 2018 #22
No conclusion, no conclusion bucolic_frolic Aug 2018 #23
I dont understand Tiggeroshii Aug 2018 #26
Just because its policy doesn't mean its the law Bayard Aug 2018 #32
You are absolutely correct. Duppers Aug 2018 #36
Trump loses Pecker... KewlKat Aug 2018 #27
Both Avenatti and Omorosa have referred to mainstreetonce Aug 2018 #29
Immunity for pecker means ..no need to wear a condom. Le Gaucher Aug 2018 #30
Headline: Pecker poised to ream Trump honest.abe Aug 2018 #31
Another question is......... MyOwnPeace Aug 2018 #33

lapfog_1

(29,204 posts)
4. we can only hope
Thu Aug 23, 2018, 01:18 PM
Aug 2018

In addition, it sure would be sweet to see that toilet rag wrap up publication and for PeckerHead to go bankrupt... despite his flipping on the traitor-in-chief.

kennetha

(3,666 posts)
8. Probably not Trump himself
Thu Aug 23, 2018, 01:23 PM
Aug 2018

since that is constitutionally complicated, but almost certainly the Trump Organization.

lagomorph777

(30,613 posts)
15. Not Constitutionally complicated at all; only politically complicated.
Thu Aug 23, 2018, 01:58 PM
Aug 2018

The conventional wisdom that you can't do it is based on DOJ policy, not statute and not Constitutional law. There is zero support, in the text of the Constitution, for Leon Jaworsky's politically expedient opinion during the Nixon era. If Trump were to take an indictment to the Supreme Court and claim it's invalid because he's a sitting President, he'd lose.

Article 1, Section 3, Clause 7: Judgment in Cases of Impeachment shall not extend further than to removal from Office, and disqualification to hold and enjoy any Office of honor, Trust or Profit under the United States: but the Party convicted shall nevertheless be liable and subject to Indictment, Trial, Judgment and Punishment, according to Law.


Some try to claim that the language above implies that an Impeachment conviction is a pre-requisite to legal indictment. That's utter nonsense. The language above is inclusive, not exclusive; it simply says that the political process of Impeachment is completely separate and independent from the legal process of indictment, trial, judgment, and punishment.

kennetha

(3,666 posts)
20. The real problem is the unitary executive.
Thu Aug 23, 2018, 02:19 PM
Aug 2018

"The executive Power shall be vested in a President of the United States of America."

That suggests that the indictment power of the executive branch is ultimately his and his alone. An inferior officer ... like a US attorney ... usually cannot exercise a delegated power "at the expense of" a superior officer.

That, I think, is what makes for constitutional complications.

True, the president is required to "take care that the laws are faithfully executed." which does mean that he is not above the law, but indeed must take care to carry out the laws.

So perhaps contravening his own indictment by his inferiors would be a violation of his duty of faithful execution.

But then the question is which branch would step in and "negate" his contravention of an indictment against him by an inferior officer? The courts (through a lawsuit) or the congress (through impeachment)?

It would not be simple.

duforsure

(11,885 posts)
9. Wonder how long before
Thu Aug 23, 2018, 01:33 PM
Aug 2018

A lot more women come out and expose trump even more. If there was a good time for it , its now. They can ignore his NDA's as nothing as others have done. They need now to publicize what happened . All of them , every one of them , or forced to do bad things by him.

 

PaulX2

(2,032 posts)
18. I Think So - Pecker Could Be Prosecuted Most Likely
Thu Aug 23, 2018, 02:13 PM
Aug 2018

He must have the goods, or he would have to go to rich person's prison.

Home detention or whatever.

 

Tiggeroshii

(11,088 posts)
26. I dont understand
Thu Aug 23, 2018, 02:53 PM
Aug 2018

If the DOJs policy is to not indict the president, what good is there to build a case against him?

Bayard

(22,071 posts)
32. Just because its policy doesn't mean its the law
Thu Aug 23, 2018, 03:48 PM
Aug 2018

At least that's what I'd think. Nixon's case never got that far.

One thing is for sure--we can't have Kavanaugh deciding this.

Duppers

(28,120 posts)
36. You are absolutely correct.
Fri Aug 24, 2018, 12:09 AM
Aug 2018

It's been discussed here.

How the President Can Be Prosecuted as a Criminal
By Martin London
January 29, 2018
http://time.com/5123598/president-trump-impeach-criminal-constitution/

But what is equally important is what they don’t say. There is no language in the Constitution providing the President with any immunity from prosecution by the appropriate criminal authorities: he is subject to the ordinary criminal processes of “Indictment, Trial, Judgment and Punishment, according to law.” Furthermore, there is not one syllable directly putting the President beyond the reach of the criminal law even if Congress does not impeach.

The argument that the President is immune from the criminal laws is just that — an argument.


MyOwnPeace

(16,926 posts)
33. Another question is.........
Thu Aug 23, 2018, 03:53 PM
Aug 2018

Will Trump have the balls to beat Pecker?

(sorry, couldn't pass it up...............)

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