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Thu Aug 23, 2018, 05:25 PM

I'm going to ask a question,, please be kind to me :)

I was just reading an article about Avenetti and his efforts to reunite separated families. The article basically stated that while his attentions may be good, more and more people are starting to say he is either in over his head, or only worried about his own appearance/good. It is a very long article that I tried to digest, but I had a thought coming into my mind. If article is truthful, can we here, see past this and not throw ourselves behind someone who may be as bad as current? I am sooo wanting to read news to take our current "prez" down, Im just wondering if we could fall into the same trap as the MAGA lovers. Let's discuss civially.

Koz


https://www.yahoo.com/news/harnessing-star-power-reunite-families-michael-avenatti-responds-questions-tactics-3-174850385.html

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Reply I'm going to ask a question,, please be kind to me :) (Original post)
kozar Aug 2018 OP
manor321 Aug 2018 #1
kozar Aug 2018 #10
beachbum bob Aug 2018 #2
The Velveteen Ocelot Aug 2018 #3
kozar Aug 2018 #11
wryter2000 Aug 2018 #16
kozar Aug 2018 #19
wryter2000 Aug 2018 #15
Crutchez_CuiBono Aug 2018 #23
Gidney N Cloyd Aug 2018 #4
pecosbob Aug 2018 #5
kozar Aug 2018 #20
Sunny Daze Aug 2018 #6
kozar Aug 2018 #12
Solly Mack Aug 2018 #7
kozar Aug 2018 #13
Solly Mack Aug 2018 #17
kozar Aug 2018 #18
mercuryblues Aug 2018 #8
kozar Aug 2018 #26
hlthe2b Aug 2018 #9
kozar Aug 2018 #14
smirkymonkey Aug 2018 #27
NCTraveler Aug 2018 #21
kozar Aug 2018 #22
NCTraveler Aug 2018 #24
kozar Aug 2018 #25
jcgoldie Aug 2018 #34
mercuryblues Aug 2018 #35
H2O Man Aug 2018 #28
njhoneybadger Aug 2018 #29
kozar Aug 2018 #33
FakeNoose Aug 2018 #30
kozar Aug 2018 #32
PoliticAverse Aug 2018 #31

Response to kozar (Original post)

Thu Aug 23, 2018, 05:26 PM

1. Haven't read the article

 

I haven't read the article, but I want a candidate with experience in government, and someone who has been vetted through a previous campaign. I don't want outsiders.

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Response to manor321 (Reply #1)

Thu Aug 23, 2018, 05:40 PM

10. agree eom

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Response to kozar (Original post)

Thu Aug 23, 2018, 05:27 PM

2. Avenetti serves Avenetti, and sometimes that is helpful for the rest of

 

us but make no mistake he comes first in his world

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Response to kozar (Original post)

Thu Aug 23, 2018, 05:29 PM

3. Avenatti won't be the nominee.

He's a shiny object, just like Oprah was a few months ago. And now that he's about to notice the depositions of Cohen and Trump in the Daniels case, he'll have all the media coverage he craves and not enough time to pretend to run for president.

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Response to The Velveteen Ocelot (Reply #3)

Thu Aug 23, 2018, 05:41 PM

11. TY,

Sometimes I feel human and need to know my brain is still good

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Response to kozar (Reply #11)

Thu Aug 23, 2018, 05:46 PM

16. Welcome to DU

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Response to wryter2000 (Reply #16)

Thu Aug 23, 2018, 05:49 PM

19. hi back!

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Response to The Velveteen Ocelot (Reply #3)

Thu Aug 23, 2018, 05:45 PM

15. ooops

replied to wrong post

But I totally agree.

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Response to kozar (Original post)

Thu Aug 23, 2018, 05:31 PM

4. I suspect he's got a mix of motivations like most of us do.

No way he's totally pure of heart, and I definitely get the vibe that he's enjoying the spotlight, but so far I don't think he's done much simply for self interest alone.

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Response to kozar (Original post)

Thu Aug 23, 2018, 05:34 PM

5. There is truth in the enemy of my enemy...

That being said, I don't feel we Dems have as much chance of being beguiled by outsized personalities as the goobers (hope that label doesn't offend anyone...I know deplorables aren't only found in the South). Just drop a post about how you'd like to see Oprah or Colbert run for pres...you'll see sparks fly, I guarantee. Just look at Richard Painter's run for office as a Dem in Minnesota.

Edit* to elaborate... Painter, a used-to-be Republican was trounced by a real Dem in that primary.

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Response to pecosbob (Reply #5)

Thu Aug 23, 2018, 05:50 PM

20. Exactly my thoughts and also my worries,

Thanks

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Response to kozar (Original post)

Thu Aug 23, 2018, 05:35 PM

6. It's hard to see him being as bad as the current

I admire what he is doing...trying to help the families get back together. That being said, I would feel much more comfortable with someone like Biden who we wouldnít have to wonder whether heís in it for the right reasons.

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Response to Sunny Daze (Reply #6)

Thu Aug 23, 2018, 05:42 PM

12. Exactly my thoughts and also my worries,

I was hopeful we couldn't get "star struck' like Magas did.

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Response to kozar (Original post)

Thu Aug 23, 2018, 05:36 PM

7. The only cult of personality I'm a member of is my own.

And even then I deny myself entrance.


It gets very confusing.

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Response to Solly Mack (Reply #7)

Thu Aug 23, 2018, 05:43 PM

13. you just defined,

My golf game,, which is why I shot 92 today,,dammit!

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Response to kozar (Reply #13)

Thu Aug 23, 2018, 05:47 PM

17. Too many traps for me. Besides, I'd want to play in the sand.

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Response to Solly Mack (Reply #17)

Thu Aug 23, 2018, 05:48 PM

18. I did that today too,,eom,,lol

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Response to kozar (Original post)

Thu Aug 23, 2018, 05:36 PM

8. A lot of negative

articles about Avenatti, since he was toying about running for president.

If it wasn't for Avenatti via Daniels lawsuit we would not know what has been revealed this week. His dogged pursuit of "How was Daniels paid" is why trump is having a very bad week.


So of course the right wing is going to demonize him.

Would Democrats actually vote for him if he ran for president. Some will. Pretty sure most won't. For me I would prefer him to be a surrogate for the eventual D nominee. He can beat republikkklans at their own game.

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Response to mercuryblues (Reply #8)

Thu Aug 23, 2018, 06:45 PM

26. 100% agree with this

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Response to kozar (Original post)

Thu Aug 23, 2018, 05:36 PM

9. I find it disturbing that half want to make Avenatti the returned savior and half the devil...

Does he do some good? Yes.. Generally well intentioned (when it comes to separated immigrants): yes..
Do his actions benefit progressives and hurt Trump? yes.
Does he make mistakes from either inexperience or ego? yes.

Does he have ulterior motives that might be beneficial to his own future....? likely yes..


I refuse to buy into the demonisation OR the lionization...
Let him find his way and judge him THEN (and only then)...

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Response to hlthe2b (Reply #9)

Thu Aug 23, 2018, 05:45 PM

14. Yep,,

Thank you hl, this was my thought,, sometimes I worry too much according to MrsKoz ( which means all the time) so I was bouncing my thoughts off this great community. Lots of great replies, I appreciate all of you!

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Response to hlthe2b (Reply #9)

Thu Aug 23, 2018, 06:47 PM

27. +1000

This!

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Response to kozar (Original post)

Thu Aug 23, 2018, 05:52 PM

21. I'm not sure what you are seeing...

 

That makes you think he might be as bad as the current. He seems to be very ambitious and testing things. He has an ego. Is who he is. Iím not getting behind him for anything but he has done things that have me cheering him.

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Response to NCTraveler (Reply #21)

Thu Aug 23, 2018, 05:56 PM

22. You know exactly,

what I was seeing, and history repeats itself. Hence my thought. I was worried after reading article, that we could get blinded by bright lights. I know in my heart that wouldn't happen, but, I knew in my heart this f***wad wouldn't be Prez either. Thanks for the input, NC. We on same page

Koz

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Response to kozar (Reply #22)

Thu Aug 23, 2018, 06:18 PM

24. No, I don't.

 

Canít imagine what you are seeing that makes you think he might be worse than the current. I know plenty of people with enormous egos and they love the spotlight. Many of them work for the betterment of society.

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Response to NCTraveler (Reply #24)

Thu Aug 23, 2018, 06:29 PM

25. OK NC....

I will say I am trying to verify that this group on DU has more sense than the 63 million dolts who voted for this person in office right now.
Those people all believed that he ( I will not type his name) had a foundation for charity,, gave to Vets (nope), could "MAGA" and all the other lies they fell for.

I was just verifying that what I read couldn't happen here, within a group I feel comfortable saying what is on my mind, it is that simple.

Koz


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Response to kozar (Reply #25)

Thu Aug 23, 2018, 07:15 PM

34. I disagree

They didnít believe any of that shit about Trump for the most part. They just ignored what a POS he is because he hated the same people they hate.

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Response to kozar (Reply #25)

Thu Aug 23, 2018, 07:16 PM

35. Make no mistake

if Avenatti wins the nom. I will vote for him. Yes he can be bombastic and self- aggrandizing. But he is also not stupid as the dumpster fire is. I also think it was part ploy to keep the focus off Daniels and on him as a was to insulate her, some, from the deplorables.



I don't believe he will run. That tease was just to keep the media focus on him. Like I said he can beat trump at his on game. He would make a great surrogate.

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Response to kozar (Original post)

Thu Aug 23, 2018, 06:49 PM

28. Gosh

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Response to kozar (Original post)

Thu Aug 23, 2018, 06:49 PM

29. He jumped the shark with the running for president talk

But he sure knows how to troll der leader and probably should just stick with what he's good at.
No more Realty TV show types.

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Response to njhoneybadger (Reply #29)

Thu Aug 23, 2018, 06:56 PM

33. agreed

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Response to kozar (Original post)

Thu Aug 23, 2018, 06:49 PM

30. This isn't about Avenatti, it's about the commenters on Yahoo

Kozar, I've been on DU for about 1-1/2 years and before that I was reading and commenting on Yahoo for awhile. That would have been during the 2016 election and just after it. Truthfully I became completely disgusted and turned off by all the right-wing assholes on Yahoo. I'm convinced to this day that many of them were Russian trolls, but there are also tons of rednecks (American RWNJs) too.

I'm sure that many of the ones who were on there in 2016 are still on Yahoo now. They successfully chased away just about anyone who had any liberal sensibility at all, including me and many others.

I have no doubt that the Yahoo commenters have been saying horrible unfair things about Michael Avenatti because they certainly had their say about every other Democrat while I was reading them.

Editorially the Yahoo News reporters are trying to appear "middle-of-the-road" because they recognize that all the Dems and Libs were chased off by the commenters. The reporters try to present politically neutral stories on their News feed, but I don't really care because the commenters are rude and ignorant, and Yahoo makes no effort to control the rudeness. Most times you'll find that the same news stories are available on much friendlier websites like Democratic Underground.


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Response to FakeNoose (Reply #30)

Thu Aug 23, 2018, 06:56 PM

32. TY FakeNoose,

I do not read comments on yahoo, but, I will admit that I try to read both sides of the news, on websites. I feel yahoo is RW, but I also read drudge,along with other sites ,simply because I want to "know what they are reporting". I feel if I read only what I want to see and hear,, than I am nothing more than another deplorable who only listens to FOXNEWS, ie; closemind

Koz



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Response to kozar (Original post)

Thu Aug 23, 2018, 06:54 PM

31. Lots of people do good things for their own benefit - bottom line - "is he helping or hurting?" nt

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