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We are at a stage with trump now (Original Post) brettdale Sep 2018 OP
Or McCain TreasonousBastard Sep 2018 #1
It's relative. no_hypocrisy Sep 2018 #2
It's erroneous Va Lefty Sep 2018 #6
It's not true. Bernardo de La Paz Sep 2018 #8
+1 Glamrock Sep 2018 #11
Correct. A lot of revisionist history has been propagated this week. Va Lefty Sep 2018 #12
I never thought Ohiogal Sep 2018 #3
No, he was a bad guy. Katrina, Shock and Awe. Bad guy. SammyWinstonJack Sep 2018 #4
Bush is a lazy acting war criminal irisblue Sep 2018 #5
It would be funny if it weren't so sad - and true... ADX Sep 2018 #7
I have to say, I am shocked myself how much W's esteem has risen in my eyes smirkymonkey Sep 2018 #9
Maybe.. but I'd bet NO ONE would say that about Cheney.... hlthe2b Sep 2018 #10
Cheney was not looking very well. ProudMNDemocrat Sep 2018 #13
well, if karma were quicker, he would not be above ground... hlthe2b Sep 2018 #15
When I first heard about Cheney getting a heart transplant, my very first... 3catwoman3 Sep 2018 #16
We should never be at that stage oberliner Sep 2018 #14
Speak for yourself, and to the extent that it is true... JHB Sep 2018 #17

Bernardo de La Paz

(49,001 posts)
8. It's not true.
Sat Sep 1, 2018, 08:12 PM
Sep 2018

We can acknowledge McCain's sacrifices and his sometimes good deeds.

We can acknowledge when W speaks something we would like to have spoken.

All the while knowing about their misdeeds. We can walk and chew gummi bears at the same time.

Va Lefty

(6,252 posts)
12. Correct. A lot of revisionist history has been propagated this week.
Sat Sep 1, 2018, 08:20 PM
Sep 2018

It was done with Nixon and Reagan too. I guess in the end it doesn't matter because most people won't remember any of it next weekend.

 

ADX

(1,622 posts)
7. It would be funny if it weren't so sad - and true...
Sat Sep 1, 2018, 08:11 PM
Sep 2018

...Apparently, everything is now relative. As the saying goes, "there's levels to this shit"...

 

smirkymonkey

(63,221 posts)
9. I have to say, I am shocked myself how much W's esteem has risen in my eyes
Sat Sep 1, 2018, 08:15 PM
Sep 2018

since Trump has become president. I know it is purely psychological.

hlthe2b

(102,236 posts)
15. well, if karma were quicker, he would not be above ground...
Sat Sep 1, 2018, 08:28 PM
Sep 2018

Like I said, I will forever mourn his heart donor. Cheney? Not so much.

3catwoman3

(23,975 posts)
16. When I first heard about Cheney getting a heart transplant, my very first...
Sat Sep 1, 2018, 08:36 PM
Sep 2018

...thought was, "I hope it didn't come from a Democrat. What a waste, if it did."

JHB

(37,159 posts)
17. Speak for yourself, and to the extent that it is true...
Sat Sep 1, 2018, 11:19 PM
Sep 2018

...it's a failing on our part.

For the sake if clarity, I'll start off by making it clear I'm not talking about 24/7 animosity. People are mixed bags. Like many Democrats, I have a laundry list of disputes with John McCain. But from what I know of his history, and what people who I think highly of say from first-hand experience with the man, I'm going to put that laundry list aside for this particular week. And closer to home, I know quite a few conservatives who do wonderful and worthy things in their personal lives, but who embrace the most despicable things politically. They don't see a discrepancy where I see a crystal-clear one.

Having said that, lets get back to the OP.

George W. Bush, like Trump, was a guy who won the presidency -- under a cloud of tampering with the system -- with the electoral vote while losing the popular vote, something that hadn't happened for over a century. Once doing so, he practically pissed on taking a conciliatory, centrist path, and instead went full-bore for pushing through partisan pet-project policies while the pushing was good.

George W. Bush filled his administration with PNAC gallery ideologues who jeered at Clinton for being concerned about non-state actors like bin Laden. His attorney-general's list of priorities for the FBI didn't even include counter terrorism in its top 10. And then, one "Bin Laden determined to strike at US" briefing sneer-at and ignored later, Bush used the anger, fear of more, and desire for vengeance or justice to push through an unrelated slate of pet projects to oust Saddam in Iraq.

And even once he got it, he spectacularly botched it. Every single item on "the surge" should be prefaced with "because Bush botched it right at the start...." George W. Bush is the man who decided to invade Iraq with a quarter of the force the prevailing counterinsurgency doctrine said was needed to maintain order and not let everything fall to shit.


George W. Bush has all the full titles of a president of the United States of America, but he was at best a third of one. He was a wimp and a weakling puffed up by an axe-grinding conservative media.

Forgetting that is an obscenity. Sure, paste a smiley-face on for necessary social functions, but never forget that past that affable, schmoozing exterior is a guy who created a terrorist breeding ground in a dozen places in the Middle-East.

And once he secured the 2004 election, the very first thing on his "to do" list was "wreck Social Security".

George W Bush was a fucking incompetent who would have never been in that position if not for his name and for the very same group of people -- often down to the same individuals -- now known as "Trump's base".


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