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What this first lady has endured for the nation (Original Post) bigtree Sep 2018 OP
This message was self-deleted by its author Bernardo de La Paz Sep 2018 #1
Yes, the baseless and racist abuse is lower than deplorable. . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Sep 2018 #2
You know this relationship between Michelle and GW . . . peggysue2 Sep 2018 #3
No stranger than his father's "adoption" of Bill, I think... hlthe2b Sep 2018 #5
That's true and . . . peggysue2 Sep 2018 #11
Laura Bush and the Twins were very kind obamanut2012 Sep 2018 #36
I have a joke that Poppy Bush IS Bill Clinton's biological father MagickMuffin Sep 2018 #14
I think what this former First Lady endured at the funeral was far worse... hlthe2b Sep 2018 #4
+1000 jrthin Sep 2018 #6
tounge-in-cheek bigtree Sep 2018 #8
I don't know she managed restraint when John Bolton came to her to shake her hand. JHan Sep 2018 #20
A beautiful couple on the left; a couple of demons on the right. MoonRiver Sep 2018 #10
True, but she entered the Arena. Sneederbunk Sep 2018 #12
much worse, yes elmac Sep 2018 #21
Oh ewwwwww BumRushDaShow Sep 2018 #22
I thought that as well pazzyanne Sep 2018 #23
Oh hey look, he's up out of his mobile Sith Lord Chair... Volaris Sep 2018 #32
Hillary looks terrific, flattering haircut and collar. I like. Nt lostnfound Sep 2018 #34
Yikes! Hasn't she endured enough?! Rhiannon12866 Sep 2018 #39
I think Hav Sep 2018 #7
it's a good thing bigtree Sep 2018 #9
She seems to like him oberliner Sep 2018 #13
she is very gracious bigtree Sep 2018 #16
Laura is probably glad Michelle is at these things obamanut2012 Sep 2018 #37
George doesn't look too good PatSeg Sep 2018 #15
I think that he has become solitary, just relatives and aides. Blue_true Sep 2018 #17
Actually PatSeg Sep 2018 #29
The official portraits are something a sitting President oversee to honor the last President. Blue_true Sep 2018 #31
I hated W with a passion, but I can't hate on this. liberalmuse Sep 2018 #18
same obamanut2012 Sep 2018 #38
So true. No other First Lady in American history was treated as horribly. Honeycombe8 Sep 2018 #19
both michelle and hillary were treated horribly by right wingers. JHan Sep 2018 #26
Michelle Obama Derangement Syndrome: Four Years, 40 Smears oberliner Sep 2018 #27
doesn't surprise me that Former Presidents end up being friends.. JHan Sep 2018 #24
Yeah, he has directly or indirectly insulted all of them. Ilsa Sep 2018 #30
Yup. Poor Donnie. All Alone. JHan Sep 2018 #33
Everyone is united in their common hatred for the fucking moron. BigmanPigman Sep 2018 #25
Too much to expect at their age, just for show lostnfound Sep 2018 #35
He looks like he has gas left-of-center2012 Sep 2018 #28

Response to bigtree (Original post)

peggysue2

(10,828 posts)
3. You know this relationship between Michelle and GW . . .
Sun Sep 2, 2018, 02:26 PM
Sep 2018

is so unexpected it seems downright weird. And yet . . . it seems absolutely genuine with affection and humor on both sides. I give Michelle Obama props. GW should cross himself every morning because she's making him look . . . likable.

Life is very strange!

peggysue2

(10,828 posts)
11. That's true and . . .
Sun Sep 2, 2018, 02:41 PM
Sep 2018

I heard GW refer to Hillary being almost a sister-in-law. Maybe it has something to do about sharing the heady atmosphere and experience of the White House, all the things, they've seen, heard, lived through, etc.

The numbers are few and far between at the very top. A unique life experience.

That being said, I can't imagine any of them reaching out to the Trumpster when this is over. He's burned his bridges 10x over.

obamanut2012

(26,076 posts)
36. Laura Bush and the Twins were very kind
Sun Sep 2, 2018, 08:19 PM
Sep 2018

to Michelle and the girls. The Twins are by all accounts liberals, and vote Dem.

MagickMuffin

(15,940 posts)
14. I have a joke that Poppy Bush IS Bill Clinton's biological father
Sun Sep 2, 2018, 02:53 PM
Sep 2018

After all Bill never knew his father.



hlthe2b

(102,267 posts)
4. I think what this former First Lady endured at the funeral was far worse...
Sun Sep 2, 2018, 02:26 PM
Sep 2018

Last edited Sun Sep 2, 2018, 05:14 PM - Edit history (1)



Referring specifically to being seated next to Cheney

bigtree

(85,996 posts)
8. tounge-in-cheek
Sun Sep 2, 2018, 02:34 PM
Sep 2018

...caption not necessary to be taken literally.

Michelle has adopted George. The nation is grateful.


frick! Just saw Cheney.

The stench must have been unbearable! You're right! Hillary gets the ribbon for that effort. Hope she didn't have to hold the freak's hand.

JHan

(10,173 posts)
20. I don't know she managed restraint when John Bolton came to her to shake her hand.
Sun Sep 2, 2018, 05:06 PM
Sep 2018

How she didn't drop kick him right there and then amazes me.

 

elmac

(4,642 posts)
21. much worse, yes
Sun Sep 2, 2018, 05:12 PM
Sep 2018

Sec. Clinton would make an awesome president, but, we screwed that up and now must endure years, maybe decades of fascism.

pazzyanne

(6,552 posts)
23. I thought that as well
Sun Sep 2, 2018, 05:19 PM
Sep 2018

when I was watching the funeral yesterday. It took a couple of camera passes to confirm that it was the "evil one". I blame a lot of GWB's actions on Cheney, who was actually running the presidency, much like Stephen Miller is running this administration. Condolences go to President Hillary Clinton for the sacrifice she made for the country.

Volaris

(10,270 posts)
32. Oh hey look, he's up out of his mobile Sith Lord Chair...
Sun Sep 2, 2018, 08:08 PM
Sep 2018

Must have found him a pair of working legs that someone 'didn't want'.

And not for nuthin, but jr looks as ruddy and dry-drunk as Bannon in that pic...regardless of how he behaved otherwise toward Michelle.

Hav

(5,969 posts)
7. I think
Sun Sep 2, 2018, 02:33 PM
Sep 2018

there is a genuine mutual respect, friendship and common ground of values between the Bushes, Clintons and Obamas. I don't think we'll see the same once Trump is out of office.

bigtree

(85,996 posts)
16. she is very gracious
Sun Sep 2, 2018, 02:54 PM
Sep 2018

...and the Bushes are blessed for their friendship.

George is a stupid man-child.

obamanut2012

(26,076 posts)
37. Laura is probably glad Michelle is at these things
Sun Sep 2, 2018, 08:25 PM
Sep 2018

So that W is occupied and entertained and behaves himself.

I am being serious.

Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
17. I think that he has become solitary, just relatives and aides.
Sun Sep 2, 2018, 03:51 PM
Sep 2018

Someone said that he is a pretty accomplished amateur painter.

Does anyone know whether Trump has commissioned the official White House portraits of the former President and First Lady? President Obama did that for the Bushes early on in his first term.

PatSeg

(47,430 posts)
29. Actually
Sun Sep 2, 2018, 07:29 PM
Sep 2018

I like his paintings. Perhaps he should have taken up painting instead of politics a long time ago.

I hadn't heard anything about the official White House portraits, but I wouldn't hold my breath.

Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
31. The official portraits are something a sitting President oversee to honor the last President.
Sun Sep 2, 2018, 08:00 PM
Sep 2018

But you are right, Trump is garbage, it likely will be left to 46 to do the Obama portraits and those for Trump (even if impeached, I think that he still get that honor if he wants it. Someone correct me if that is wrong).

Honeycombe8

(37,648 posts)
19. So true. No other First Lady in American history was treated as horribly.
Sun Sep 2, 2018, 04:57 PM
Sep 2018

I think they knew what they were getting into, up to a point. But I'd be surprised if they knew how horrible the alt-righters were and that they'd be so venomous toward the First Lady...for nothing. Just out of hate. She held up well. She's tough and deserves her post-political days in the sun.

JHan

(10,173 posts)
24. doesn't surprise me that Former Presidents end up being friends..
Sun Sep 2, 2018, 05:21 PM
Sep 2018

Being President is a lonely, isolating experience. It's normal for Presidents to reach out to their predecessors, particularly in their first year. They do so for insight and commiseration.

The isolation of the Oval Office leads to the kind of aloofness Presidents typically have in their second terms as well and I think their mutual relationships, which transcends ideology, provides some unique insight into the frailty of leadership.

Trump probably feels particularly isolated, in light of this, and it feeds his paranoia. He can't call on former Presidents, he's a grade A self-absorbed narcissist so can't take criticism in stride. All he's got is fox and friends.

Ilsa

(61,695 posts)
30. Yeah, he has directly or indirectly insulted all of them.
Sun Sep 2, 2018, 07:45 PM
Sep 2018
I inherited a mess
Only I can fix it
No one has ever done as much
Biggest crowds ever
Biggest electoral college victory


That's just a few to get started.

BigmanPigman

(51,590 posts)
25. Everyone is united in their common hatred for the fucking moron.
Sun Sep 2, 2018, 05:22 PM
Sep 2018

The Bush family dispises him.

I wonder why Carter and Pappy Bush weren't at the funeral?

lostnfound

(16,179 posts)
35. Too much to expect at their age, just for show
Sun Sep 2, 2018, 08:18 PM
Sep 2018

And Poppy especially is in marginal health
Jimmy doesn’t spend (or have) a lot of money.

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