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Source: Associated Press
1 hour ago
DALLAS (AP) Dallas police say an officer returning home from work shot and killed a neighbor after she said she mistook his apartment for her own.
Police issued a news release Friday saying the shooting happened Thursday night. Police say the officer had arrived at her apartment complex in uniform after working a shift.
Authorities say the officer called dispatch to report the shooting. She told responding officers that she believed the victims apartment was her own when she entered it.
The man was taken to the hospital and pronounced dead.
The officer, who was not injured, will be placed on administrative leave pending the outcome of the investigation.
https://apnews.com/5418f50edde448e79f16be75178bea6a/Police:-Dallas-officer-mistakes-apartment-for-own,-kills-man
malaise
(268,980 posts)This makes no sense otherwise.
mythology
(9,527 posts)A domestic dispute.
But yes as is, the story is incredibly fishy. There's not a believable path where somebody changed her lock, moved all of her furniture etc. Hopefully this isn't just covered up.
malaise
(268,980 posts)brush
(53,776 posts)she killed a man. And I highly doubt her story. How do you walk into someone else's apartment without having the key?
It probably was a domestic dispute.
Adrahil
(13,340 posts)brewens
(13,582 posts)your neighbor had it furnished close enough to fool you even for a few seconds.
Kittycow
(2,396 posts)dalton99a
(81,485 posts)Police say around 9:59 p.m. Thursday, an officer who was off duty called dispatch and said she had been involved at a shooting at her apartment complex at 1210 S. Lamar St, which is about a block from the Dallas Police Department Headquarters. She had just come off a full shift and was still in her uniform when she walked into the wrong apartment.
"The officer reported to the responding officers that she entered the victims apartment believing that it was her own," Dallas police wrote in a release. "At some point, the officer fired her weapon striking the victim."
The victim, a 26-year-old man, was given aid before he was taken to the hospital, where he died.
The officer was not hurt, and she has been placed on administrative leave.
awesomerwb1
(4,267 posts)Someone get these officers some proper training.
This shoot 10 bullets first, get a good lawyer later has got to stop. I know, when pigs fly.
sfwriter
(3,032 posts)lpbk2713
(42,757 posts)Paid vacation while the incident is investigated by the good ole boys in Internal Affairs.
dalton99a
(81,485 posts)BAM!
lapfog_1
(29,199 posts)unblock
(52,209 posts)doesn't everybody break into someone else's house, look around, see someone else's furniture, decor, and family photos and think, "yup, this is alllll mine", then when the real resident comes home, just shoot first and ask questions later?
dalton99a
(81,485 posts)"What the fuck. It's MY BED!
..... BAM!!"
Canoe52
(2,948 posts)Historic NY
(37,449 posts)Demovictory9
(32,454 posts)NutmegYankee
(16,199 posts)Please don't tell me you believe that ridiculous story. This cop belongs in jail.
Demovictory9
(32,454 posts)NutmegYankee
(16,199 posts)A normal person would immediately recognize they were in the wrong apt. The officers keys were found in the lock, which wouldn't turn, which was clue #1 that it was the wrong place.
And no, the occupant bears no responsibility for having an unlocked door.
Crunchy Frog
(26,582 posts)unblock
(52,209 posts)would anyone buy the argument that it was an accident?
accidentally breaking and entering into someone else's apartment and then shooting the owner?
would a jury buy that as reasonable doubt? if so, anyone can kill their neighbor this way, at least in apartments and maybe even in developments where all the houses look the some.
moriah
(8,311 posts)Drunk guy couldn't get in the front, confused his apartment from the outside with another but doesn't understand that's why his key won't work, climbs in window, owner freaks and shoots them.
I'm not sure how this will go.
After that drunk cop pulling a gun on the neighbors of an AirBNB, I've been afraid we'd see a shooting.
But this? What happened? Tired, comes home, leans against what he thinks is his door, realizes it's unlocked, believes there's been a robbery, opens and shoots the person before they assess the interior has different decorations?
I don't buy it.
unblock
(52,209 posts)any argument she had with this neighbor in the last year would look really, really bad even if it was a genuine accident (which i don't really believe).
Flaleftist
(3,473 posts)They are supposed to have plenty of training, awareness of their surroundings, thinking before pulling the trigger. What made her think he was an immediate threat to her life? I have an extremely hard time believing this, especially if she was sober.
Iggo
(47,552 posts)Because they're not stupid.
LonePirate
(13,419 posts)unblock
(52,209 posts)LonePirate
(13,419 posts)Beaverhausen
(24,470 posts)it's murder, not administrative leave.
And why shoot him? Did he point a gun at her?
VMA131Marine
(4,139 posts)And a "civilian" who did this would be in custody and so charged. The officer was off duty and had no legal reason to enter her neighbours apartment. That she was still in uniform should be irrelevant.
JCMach1
(27,556 posts)Color me suspicious...
Turbineguy
(37,324 posts)then look at the furniture.
still_one
(92,189 posts)Pachamama
(16,887 posts)Makes no sense at all
NutmegYankee
(16,199 posts)Apparently a local paper reports the key was still in the lock (may not have turned). The apt was on a different floor of the building from where the officer lived.
Sneederbunk
(14,290 posts)Quayblue
(1,045 posts)after hearing her there, from what I've read so far.
rainbow4321
(9,974 posts)Local activist interviewed a couple other residents, one of whom showed her on doors how the keys worked. They are not the standard insert/turn keys...
Door locks are electronic..insert the key shaped FOB, the lock turns green and door opens. If it is the wrong apartment door, lock stays red, doesnt open.
So it looks like all the keys fit into all the door locks, its just if it is electronically programmed to open the door.
dlk
(11,563 posts)sarah FAILIN
(2,857 posts)Not drunk, just absent minded and lost track of which stair level he was on. Thank goodness he wasn't a cop. The downstairs neighbor put a sign on the door after the 2nd time.
moriah
(8,311 posts)Or when he opened the apparently unlocked door, did he look at the person who gets to hear every time he has sex or walks if the direct downstairs neighbor with a "WTF?" look, and turn purple with embarrassment?
I had someone somehow given my hotel room key and assignment, but as soon as they realized someone was in it, immediately said the office must have made a mistake and left. I called the front desk freaking, and they confirmed they meant him next door but made a computer typo. Still, erk.
flying_wahini
(6,593 posts)Pacifist Patriot
(24,653 posts)I was seven years old and living on an army base in Germany.
I've lived in plenty of places since then that looked equally similar if you weren't paying attention. Somehow always managed to find my front door without a problem.
Downtown Hound
(12,618 posts)It was the exact same year, make, model, and color of mine, and the door just happened to be unlocked when I got inside. The difference between me and this cop? It took me about three or four seconds to realize the car wasn't mine, and I very quickly got out and went over to the correct car that was several spaces down, hoping nobody had seen me, not only because it was rather embarrassing but also because I didn't want to get shot.
I don't buy her story for a second.
hunter
(38,311 posts)It's been a common problem in cars.
https://www.truthorfiction.com/gm-keys/
My car was a Toyota. Back then the locks would wear out to the point any similar Toyota key would open them.
I realized it wasn't my car soon enough, but my first thought was that someone had stolen all my stuff.
Demovictory9
(32,454 posts)I often approach the wrong car..before I even touch it there are little triggers.."where did that dent come from", "it's cleaner/dirtier"
donkeypoofed
(2,187 posts)Ya can't have anybody, even a police officer, just walking into your apartment !
oasis
(49,382 posts)Downtown Hound
(12,618 posts)It was a female cop.
oasis
(49,382 posts)obamanut2012
(26,069 posts)If it was unlocked, as a cop, wouldn't she call for backup if she thought it her apt? She certainly didn't unlock it.
And, everyone's apt is decorated differently, etc.
And, how the fuck do you not know which apt is yours?????? IMPOSSIBLE UNLESS YOU WERE DRUNK OR HIGH
Very fishy indeed. She murdered him.
Horse with no Name
(33,956 posts)Just in case anyone was wondering.
dalton99a
(81,485 posts)http://www.fox4news.com/news/dallas-officer-goes-home-to-wrong-apartment-kills-man-inside
"This is a terrible tragedy. Botham Jean was a member of the PwC family in our Dallas office and we are simply heartbroken to hear of his death," the company said in a statement.
Former classmates from Harding University told the ChristianChronicle.org that he was known for his deep faith and his beautiful singing voice.
Harding University President Bruce McLarty shared fond memories of him after learning of his death. The university said he frequently led worship and chapel services on campus.
JonLP24
(29,322 posts)Last edited Fri Sep 7, 2018, 11:19 PM - Edit history (1)
https://www.nytimes.com/2004/01/09/us/2004-campaign-fund-raising-financial-firms-are-bush-s-biggest-donors-study.htmlcsziggy
(34,136 posts)From the article linked in the OP:
It was, like, police talk: Open up! Open up! 20-year-old Caitlin Simpson told The Dallas Morning News.
Yazmine Hernandez, 20, was studying with Simpson when they heard the commotion.
We heard cops yelling, but otherwise had no idea what was going on, Hernandez said.
So the other residents thought it was cops trying to get into the apartment. The legal resident, Mr. Jean, probably opened the door since he did not expect to be killed for acting in a lawful manner.
The apartment complex is fairly new so I expect the apartments to be correctly labeled. This makes me wonder if the cop was impaired in some way - which would be appalling since she was returning from work, possibly in uniform, and certainly carrying a gun.
IluvPitties
(3,181 posts)An innocent man has died because of irresponsibility, negligence... or only the Lord knows. Whatever it is, this cop needs to go to jail for a long time.
malaise
(268,980 posts)I feel it for his family.
I 'm betting relationship break-up here or ongoing feud.
HipChick
(25,485 posts)to understand this...
malaise
(268,980 posts)What a mess
malaise
(268,980 posts)<snip>
Harding University, a private university in Searcy, Arkansas, said Jean was a native of the Caribbean country St. Lucia and often led worship services at the school's campus. He graduated from the school in 2016. Since then, he's been working in risk assurance for accounting and consulting firm PricewaterhouseCoopers in Dallas, the school said.
FIRED PHILADELPHIA OFFICER ACCUSED OF HOMICIDE IN FATAL SHOOTING
Jean's mother, Allie, questioned how the deadly mix up occurred.
"Somebody has to be crazy not to realize that they walked into the wrong apartment," Allie Jean told NBC News. "He's a bachelor. Things are different inside."
HipChick
(25,485 posts)He was also the son of Allison Jean, the Caribbean nations former permanent secretary in the Ministry of Education, Innovation and Gender Relations, according to the St. Lucia Times.
His mother held the top administrative position in the Ministry? Someone is going to prison for this one. I can imagine her pain about now.
Beaverhausen
(24,470 posts)well, that's something.
McCamy Taylor
(19,240 posts)Lee-Lee
(6,324 posts)Takket
(21,564 posts)Requires that the state prove the murder was premeditated. So they arent going to arrest and hold her on a charge they have no proof of at this time but could certainly do so later if they get done evidence that supports it. For now they do have evidence to support manslaughter and they have correctly moved to charge on that.
ecstatic
(32,701 posts)I don't care how safe you think your neighborhood is. I've had idiots try for minutes at a time to get into my place *with a key* before hopping their (drunk?) asses back into their cars and driving off. Also, I highly recommend a storm door with security features.
JonLP24
(29,322 posts)It was unclear how the officer got into the wrong apartment, where residents said they can access their units with a regular key or through a keypad code.
Police didn't indicate that anyone else had witnessed the shooting, but two women who live on the second floor near where the shooting happened said they heard a lot of noise late Thursday.
"It was, like, police talk: 'Open up! Open up!'" 20-year-old Caitlin Simpson said.
Yazmine Hernandez, 20, was studying with Simpson when they heard the commotion.
"We heard cops yelling," she said, "but otherwise had no idea what was going on."
Other residents of the South Side Flats struggled to understand how the shooting happened.
"How can you make a mistake like that, getting into someone else's apartment?" said 80-year-old Raquel, who has lived in the complex for less than a year. "Don't they train police?"
http://www.fltimes.com/tns/national/dallas-cop-who-killed-man-in-apartment-she-thought-was/article_f89ee7c8-a4cc-5bd3-b96f-49dd818c6ef2.html
milestogo
(16,829 posts)I live in an apartment and the floors all look the same except for the numbers. If I went into an apt on the floor above mine (assuming it was unlocked) the first thing i would think is "this doesn't look like my stuff", followed by "where's my dog", followed by oops and hope I didn't freak out the person who lived there.
And if I still thought it was my apartment with a stranger inside I would shut the door and call the police - even if I was the police.
Lee-Lee
(6,324 posts)Unless Texas law is significantly different than other states.
She probably somehow beloved she was in her apartment. But made significant errors somehow that led her to that mistaken belief.
Now if more comes out, like she forced her way into the apartment after being told it wasnt hers or she was inhoxicated in some way I may alter that to a higher charge being warranted.
It says she was at the end of a shift. Im curious if they don8 or 12 hour shifts. After years of doing 12 hours swing shifts and then going to a system where I basically made my own schedule and did 5-10 hours shifts depending on need I have long believed 12 hour shifts led to cops exhausted and barley able to function mentally at the end, especially swing shifts. You start a shift after already being up for 1-2 hours to prepare and get to work, you often leave the shift 1 or more hours late because you have to finish whatever call you are on, and on busy days sometimes you dont get a break at all and barely can even fit in bathroom stops. Not saying that will excuse this one bit, it shouldnt, but curious if it fits the pattern.
rainbow4321
(9,974 posts)Cant help but thing if the shooter was some random person (civilian) that he/she would have been shuffled off to Lew Sterrett immediately with their mug shot/name released within hours (as opposed to the well tell you her name when we file charges stance DPD is doing now).
The video on Instagram (filmed by another resident) shows the officer/shooter running down the hall with other officers and EMS workers with the victim being given CPR on the stretcher. She was given them directions on how to navigate the halls and get out of the building. Again..you think any of us would be allowed to do that?
Dallas PD is not helping matters locally...LOTS of people upset her name has not been released, more details are being released by the activists who are hanging out at the police department instead of by the police dept itself.
The area just got thru the anger/turmoil of the trial/sentencing of the Balch Springs officer who shot/killed a teen who was in a car driving away from that officer. He was sentenced to 15 years a couple weeks ago. Lots of anger that he only got 15 years.
It isnt gonna take much to get tempers boiling again in Dallas.
Generic Brad
(14,275 posts)What a crock of shit.
She was either seriously impaired or she was hunting the poor man.
rainbow4321
(9,974 posts)She tried unlocking the door, he most likely heard the door/lock rattling. When he opened the door, she pulled her gun and killed him. This next part is just my opinion but even if he looked thru a peephole he may have thought, oh, its a uniformed police officer..and thought he best open the door.
There are residents who heard her yelling open the god damn door.
My question is...did she live alone or with someone...cuz if she lived alone in HER apartment she wouldnt have had anyone to yell at...which would mean she knew she was at a different apartment and there was someone there to yell for/at.
mythology
(9,527 posts)"A female Dallas police officer returned to what she believed to be her apartment after her shift ended -- she was still in uniform when she encountered Mr. Jean inside the apartment," Hall said.
The chief said it isn't clear what "the interaction was between her and the victim. Then at some point she fired her weapon striking the victim."
https://www.cnn.com/2018/09/07/us/dallas-police-shooting/index.html
Harker
(14,015 posts)for his own one night. All painted dull, earthy tones by HOA rules. Broke his key off in front door lock, got pissed off, then went around back to the sliding screen door of the bedroom. Thinking there were intruders in his home, he attacked my father and his wife. After being shot three times with a large calibre handgun, he wrested it away and holed my old man with the remaining three rounds.
Final score: Two men shot three times each (a head shot for both) and three lives screwed up. Amazingly, no fatalities.
I do hate guns.