damn, Bill Mahr is very PISSED during New Rules about the takedown of Al Franken

[demtenjeep]

I have seen his new rules for a long time He is PISSED

[hlthe2b]

1. He's not the only one... (but I didn't see the show)

[BigmanPigman]

2. Isn't this reaction a little late?

[arthritisR_US]

25. When is Justice too late?

[betsuni]

26. He has always been angry about the false equivalency between what Franken did and real predators.

He wants Franken to run for president in 2020, that's why he brings it up again.

[BigmanPigman]

34. OK, that makes sense.

I hope he persuades him! I will never forget that railroading by our party...ridiculous and WRONG! They owe him a lot.

[Trumpocalypse]

3. He made a good case for Franken.

But Michelle Goldberg didn’t look happy at the end of the show.

[marlakay]

7. I know loved the whole show

And want Al back but didn’t like the way he talked to Michelle. She had a right to be pissed and it sort of ruined his standing up for women while wanting Al back.

My hubby thought Bill was on a short time schedule and didn’t want her to interrupt his thought process. I said he could have said that in a better way. The way he did it was exactly why women are upset, being put in their place and told to shut up.

[Adenoid_Hynkel]

21. She shouldnt interrupt a monologue

Anyone who's seen the show knows its format.

Guests dont walk out during the music on Colbert and Fallon and start talking into the mic. Same deal.

[Funtatlaguy]

8. She won't be asked back.

She interrupted him during his final segment ....new rules...which is his closing monologue.
She said that Al Franken also did a lot of ass grabbing while Maher was making a case for Franken to come back to politics. He was very angry with her.

[shanti]

35. Jim Carrey won't be asked back either

If you saw the show, it's obvious!

[oasis]

14. Her interruption was annoyingly clumsy and a huge downer

in the ongoing flow of discussion.

[Adenoid_Hynkel]

18. She interrupted the monlogue

People are on Twitter whining that he was "dismissive" and "mansplained" to her.
The show's format has been the same for years. Bill does a monologue at the end. If she didnt like it, criticize after. Hell, they even have the overtime segment right after.

[Behind the Aegis]

27. +1

I don't think there was an overtime this week, but she should know the format and was rude. Frankly, I was worried about Jim Carrey butting in, so I was surprised by her stupid comment.

[bluedigger]

33. Well, that explains why it's not on youtube this morning.

Bill usually shares his monologue, interview, and New Rules segments, along with Overtime, if there is one. This morning there was just the opening monologue and Jim Carrey segments. Sounds like nobody showed well at the finish.

[tblue37]

48. She also interrupted his New Rules monologue to claim that there was a lot of

"ass grabbing" alleged against Franken (actually, that isn't true). Apparently she buys the story against Franken. Frankly, I don't. It was a Roger Stone style ratf***ing.

[Trumpocalypse]

51. The problem is

many women did buy into the story. As well as many women’ groups that are key supporters for the party. In the end Franken fell on his sword for the good of the party.

[milestogo]

4. He's right.

I'm still pissed at my Senator for throwing him under the bus.

[Bluepinky]

5. Getting rid of Franken was one of the Democratic Party's biggest mistakes.

His leadership and intelligence are sorely needed right now.

[NBachers]

6. Visualize Al Franken at the Kavanaugh hearings

[Funtatlaguy]

10. Even better, visualize Franken debating Trump one on one.

Never happen thanks to Sen Gillabrand and the weak leader Sen Schumer who wouldn’t stand up for Franken.
Franken did some inappropriate things with a few women.
He was not a sexual predator.
I’d bet half the men in the Senate have done much worse things to women than has Franken.
If Franken was a Republican, there is no way he would have been thrown under the bus the way our party did. I’m still pissed about it.

[Adenoid_Hynkel]

20. if the 2020 Dem nominee is a male, some Roger Stone type will magically produce accusers

and try to weaponize #metoo to torpedo their campaign, claiming that the Republican operatives cant be questioned.

Will Dems make the same mistake twice and fall for a hit job?

[mountain grammy]

28. Yep he'll bring out Tina Dupuy

And she’ll say anything for an article in the Atlantic.

[samnsara]

31. I will trade any one for al right now..

...if al wants to squeeze my fat roll hes welcome to! I mean.. ITS AL FRANKEN!

[Arkansas Granny]

9. I didn't see the show, but I've been pissed about Franken since Democrats urged him to resign.

[Bluepinky]

11. Me too, really bad decision.

Isn’t it funny how all the accusers went silent after he resigned? Never heard a peep from them again. That was a takedown by the Repubs.

[SergeStorms]

16. And abetted by...

a few people from his own party. Instead of sticking up for one of our most important Senators and demanding something akin to due process, they immediately called for his resignation. They appointed themselves judge, jury, and executioner. With "friends" like that, who needs enemies.

[SharonClark]

12. All the concern regarding Franken is amusing.

He would have been great questioning Kavanaugh but he wasn't there because he threw himself under the bus. You should be angry at him that he didn't fight back against his accusers. He just folded.

[SergeStorms]

15. Excuse me?

A few people in his own party threw him under that bus and demanded his resignation. He wasn't given a chance to "fight back" by the vociferous accusers of his own party who railroaded him out of the Senate.
One of those persons initials are KG, and that person was the loudest and most demanding for his resignation. That person will never get an iota of support from me (and I live in that person's state).

[Trumpocalypse]

38. What about Kampala Harris or Elizabeth Warren or

Bernie Sanders or the over 30 other Senators who all called for Franken to resign?

[SergeStorms]

54. They should all be...

extremely ashamed for their participation in that cluster fuck. I only addressed the one very vocal person who serves my particular state in Congress.

[Trumpocalypse]

57. But the real culprit is the silent one

who pulled the strings behind the scenes and also serves your state in Congress.

[still_one]

17. I will tell you what I find amusing, that this is still being argued here, when in reality whether

Franken was still in the Senate or not, it would not change anything that is happening right now because of one small detail. We have the minority in both Houses.

As to your argument that he "just folded", I disagree, even though I strongly believe he was essentially pressured out, and was not given the due process he was entitled to, because too many Democratic Senators signed a petition, wrongly I believe, that he should step down, and he decided for the good of the party, and to avoid a public fight between Democrats, which he believed would divide the Democratic party even more after a turbulent election, he did what he thought would be best to unify the party.

[Trumpocalypse]

40. What due process?

Franken asked for an ethics investigation which only determines if he violated Congressional ethics rules, not a determination if the allegations were true or not. And why does no one ever get upset John Conyers was forced out without “due process”.

[still_one]

43. Perhaps you missed what I said, "He WASN'T GIVEN DUE PROCESS". He was essentially pressured out,

and he decided it would be better for the party not to push further against those who signed the petition against him

[Trumpocalypse]

49. No I was asking a question.

What due process are you referring to?

[still_one]

50. Oh. The due process he was asking for was an ethics hearing, that is what I was referring to

Thanks for clarifying.

Sorry I misunderstood

[Trumpocalypse]

52. And as I pointed out

an ethics hearing is only a determination of Congressional ethics rules, not a determination of guilt.

[still_one]

53. but that is what I was referring to. The question whether he did or did not violate the law is

another question

and as far as I am aware no charges have been filed in that regard

[Trumpocalypse]

56. The same can be said of many others

And it was never a legal question but a political one unfortunately.

[still_one]

58. you're right

[SergeStorms]

13. Franken was railroaded by some in his own party.

We know who they are, and they know who they are. I'd love to see Al come back, and I believe the people of Minnesota would re-elect him in a heartbeat.

COME BACK AL, WE NEED YOU!

[arthritisR_US]

24. Damn straight !

[Greybnk48]

59. Agree with all you've said! n/t

[Adenoid_Hynkel]

19. Maher should have gone after Dupuy harder

Not only was the waist grab accusation idiotic, but her own post history showed her to be a liar.
She crashed the private party, got a photo with Al, then spent weeks on Twitter bragging about it to everyone and asking them if they were jealous.
It was only eight years later, when she had the chance to piggyback onto Tweeden and get one of her little-read columns published in the Atlantic, that she suddenly decided it was the most humiliating moment of her life.
She was an opportunistic hack. Used the same column to gush about liar, birther, Parkland student trasher and horrid person Juanita Broaddrick (who incidentally attacks all of Trumps accusers) and accuse Clinton of rape.

And speaking of Tweeden, there's tons of footage of her grabbing guys on stage and doing all the stuff she claims was done to her.

The rest of the accusers were anonymous.

Al is fucking innocent.

[arthritisR_US]

23. BINGO!

[mountain grammy]

29. + a million

[SergeStorms]

37. Absolutely correct!

Having a grown daughter I'm all for the #MeToo movement, but at the time Franken was accused of his heinous crimes there was a serious #MeToo witch hunt going on. The villagers were out with their pitchforks and torches, casting any man who was accused - rightfully or not - to the lions. Some very bad men were outed and finally brought to justice. However, a few really good men were cast to the lions as well, and were never allowed the chance to answer their accusers. Al Franken was one of those men. I totally understand women wanting respect, and to not be sexually harassed in the work place, or any other place. When any "movement" first begins there's a tendency to sweep innocent people up with the guilty parties. It's considered collateral damage in order to give the movement momentum. However, these were people's lives we were ruining, and we lost some good people in the process. Is Al a saint? Not by a long shot, but don't include childish pranks in the same category as blatant sexual harassment.

My two cents.

[arthritisR_US]

22. First off, I'm a woman. I'm totally with Bill on this.

[lostnfound]

30. The takedown of Franken was probably to satisfy a billionaire. Nt

[NurseJackie]

32. Franken was railroaded.

[ZX86]

36. I'm about policy, not personalities.

Franken has a sharp wit and command of the facts. But my top priority is the health and welfare of the average American citizen. If he can help I welcome his contribution. If he's a hindrance I'll thank him for his service and move on. I'm in this for the long game.

[Trumpocalypse]

39. Well said nt

[Honeycombe8]

41. I agree with him. The biggest mistake the Democrats made was kicking him out of the Senate.

I know what it was really about. It was about clearing the way for others to run for President, because Franken had been so successful at the Russian hearings, and was so popular that some started asking if he'd run for President.

YUGE mistake.

[MrsCoffee]

42. Clearing the way for who? Bernie?

Is that why he signed on?

[Honeycombe8]

45. "He" who?

No...so as not to interfere with the ones the Democratic leadership chose as possible for the Presidential run: Gillibrand, Harris, Booker.

Gillibrand led the charge, Harris & Booker signed on quickly...then Schumer agreed he could no longer be effective, leaving Franken no choice.

Franken's big mistake? He had been very effective on the Investigative Committee and had gotten very popular so that some people asked if he were going to run for President. That sealed his fate.

The normal thing would have been for the Ethics Committee to do an investigation...like it had just done for another Senator. It took over a year, serious charges, and that Senator was never asked to leave or even to leave his committee assignments. That's the normal procedure. It was pretty obvious what had happened to Franken.

[MrsCoffee]

47. The Senators from Vermont were quick to sign on too.

But of course it was all a conspiracy by Gillibrand, Harris and Booker....

[Trumpocalypse]

61. An ethics investigation

would only determine if Congressional ethics rules had been violated, not if the allegations were true or not.
And it had more to do with many women’ groups having an issue with the allegations than the rather thin possibility that Franken would run for President.
And since most of the 38 Senators called for Franken to resign within a few hours it was obviously an effort that was coordinated from the top.

[superpatriotman]

44. Franken/Harris 2020!

[Honeycombe8]

46. Can't be Harris. She signed on to kick him out of the Senate.

IMO, he was kicked out, in essence, partly to clear the way for Harris or Gillibrand or Booker to run. Franken had gotten too popular and was too effective. It was all too obvious to me. The Senate didn't follow the normal procedure for charges of impropriety.

[earthshine]

55. Franken for president.

I'll vote for whichever Democrat, in my opinion, has the best debate skills and platform as seen in the primary.

I'd like to see Franken on stage with the rest of them.

[arthritisR_US]

60. He was and I totally agree with him.