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kentuck

(111,095 posts)
Mon Sep 10, 2018, 05:05 PM Sep 2018

Should Mueller indict Donald J Trump?

There are those that say a sitting President cannot be indicted. However, that is not a settled law, as far as I know?

It would be a challenge that would go all the way to the Supreme Court, I have little doubt.

If Kavanaugh wins confirmation to the Court and the case came before him, the people would ask that he recuse himself from the case. Otherwise, the case would have no legitimacy.

I am of the opinion that Mueller should indict him. I'm sure there is much more than simple obstruction of justice.

It is a question that should be settled by the Supreme Court.

In my opinion, the sooner this happens, the better for our country.

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Should Mueller indict Donald J Trump? (Original Post) kentuck Sep 2018 OP
YES! world wide wally Sep 2018 #1
Yesterday. MontanaMama Sep 2018 #2
Kavanaugh Will Not Recuse Himself LandOfHopeAndDreams Sep 2018 #3
This is one of the reasons he was selected as the nominee. He will NOT recuse himself. Honeycombe8 Sep 2018 #16
I think Mueller should indict Trump the day after he is out of office standingtall Sep 2018 #4
OF COURSE! BigmanPigman Sep 2018 #5
The greatest democracy EVER signalling that some folks ARE above the law is...not gonna happen. Fred Sanders Sep 2018 #15
Absolutely. Immediately. CanonRay Sep 2018 #6
No, because the fight could consume years. guillaumeb Sep 2018 #7
I don't know how long it would consume in the courts... kentuck Sep 2018 #9
Well,. Chipping away at the edges would weaken Laura PourMeADrink Sep 2018 #18
The whole point of Republicans ramming pre-screened Kavanaugh Golden Raisin Sep 2018 #8
If Trump was indicted BEFORE Kavanaugh is sworn in as a Justice Mr. Ected Sep 2018 #10
Yes...n/t bluecollar2 Sep 2018 #11
Yes! mountain grammy Sep 2018 #12
I'd rather all of his findings be publicly released. NightWatcher Sep 2018 #13
But presidential candidate tRump committed many crimes BEFORE he was sworn in. ffr Sep 2018 #14
If the evidence is there, I wish he would. I don't think he will, though. Honeycombe8 Sep 2018 #17
Yes JonLP24 Sep 2018 #19
My heart says YES but bluestarone Sep 2018 #20
I think more pressure would be applied to Kavanaugh if he was on the Court than now... kentuck Sep 2018 #22
I assume TREASON is an indictable offense. GeorgeGist Sep 2018 #21
No, Muller should not indict Trump. That would be a job best left to a Grand Jury Algernon Moncrieff Sep 2018 #23
We have heard.... kentuck Sep 2018 #24
 
3. Kavanaugh Will Not Recuse Himself
Mon Sep 10, 2018, 05:09 PM
Sep 2018

He was put there for a reason. Unlike Sessions, he is not going to stand up for the law.

He & Gorsuch will vote as they promised they would.

It will be another Bush V Gore case.

Honeycombe8

(37,648 posts)
16. This is one of the reasons he was selected as the nominee. He will NOT recuse himself.
Mon Sep 10, 2018, 07:37 PM
Sep 2018

You better believe that Trump asked him that question point blank, after his hysteria over Sessions recusing himself. Congress won't do anything about him not recusing himself.

The whole thing is rigged.

Our only hope is to win back Congress.

standingtall

(2,785 posts)
4. I think Mueller should indict Trump the day after he is out of office
Mon Sep 10, 2018, 05:09 PM
Sep 2018

and not a moment sooner. If Kavanaugh is on the supreme court while Trump is president he will not recuse himself regardless of the will of the people. I think there will be a much better chance of the indictment sticking once Trump is no longer president.

Fred Sanders

(23,946 posts)
15. The greatest democracy EVER signalling that some folks ARE above the law is...not gonna happen.
Mon Sep 10, 2018, 07:36 PM
Sep 2018

Not without total capitulation by all branches and levels of all government and judiciary and military.

guillaumeb

(42,641 posts)
7. No, because the fight could consume years.
Mon Sep 10, 2018, 05:28 PM
Sep 2018

Better to keep indicting lower figures, especially in state level courts, and hope that by 2020 the evidence would be inescapable. The SCOTUS would never sustain Trump's being indicted.

kentuck

(111,095 posts)
9. I don't know how long it would consume in the courts...
Mon Sep 10, 2018, 06:44 PM
Sep 2018

...but I would not think it would take years to get a decision?

I don't think we can say with certainty how the Court might rule on it?

My question is whether or not our democracy can survive two more years. Personally, I am surprised it has lasted this long. And I think it is hanging by a thread.

 

Laura PourMeADrink

(42,770 posts)
18. Well,. Chipping away at the edges would weaken
Mon Sep 10, 2018, 08:06 PM
Sep 2018

him indirectly which would deny him 2020. Slow trickle of republican indictments will help us win lower races

Golden Raisin

(4,608 posts)
8. The whole point of Republicans ramming pre-screened Kavanaugh
Mon Sep 10, 2018, 06:04 PM
Sep 2018

through is he is a guaranteed, far-right vote every time and will not recuse himself.

Mr. Ected

(9,670 posts)
10. If Trump was indicted BEFORE Kavanaugh is sworn in as a Justice
Mon Sep 10, 2018, 06:48 PM
Sep 2018

And the case is certified to the Supreme Court prior to Kavanaugh's taking an oath....could he opine on the case?

NightWatcher

(39,343 posts)
13. I'd rather all of his findings be publicly released.
Mon Sep 10, 2018, 07:23 PM
Sep 2018

If he indicts he might hold some of the info back for prosecutors.

I want his report to go public with no notice. Just dump it and the evidence on the doorstep of the NYTimes.

ffr

(22,670 posts)
14. But presidential candidate tRump committed many crimes BEFORE he was sworn in.
Mon Sep 10, 2018, 07:24 PM
Sep 2018

That would make the U.S. Constitution, as it pertains to a sitting president, irrelevant. In reverse, a juvenile may not be convicted of crimes they committed prior to turning 18, as an adult. Mueller may be treating the offenses as they pertain to the status of candidate tRump, not president tRump.

Honeycombe8

(37,648 posts)
17. If the evidence is there, I wish he would. I don't think he will, though.
Mon Sep 10, 2018, 07:40 PM
Sep 2018

I think he'll leave it to Congress, knowing they won't do anything, until Democrats are in power.

He knows any indictment will just be for show, because it will be reversed by the S.Ct., after Mueller's team spending a lot of time, effort, and money going through the indictment process. Although, I imagine Trump will appeal the indictment process before it gets to the point where a Grand Jury is seated.

kentuck

(111,095 posts)
22. I think more pressure would be applied to Kavanaugh if he was on the Court than now...
Mon Sep 10, 2018, 11:45 PM
Sep 2018

....although they cannot get him to say that he would recuse himself in any cases involving Trump and the Russia investigation.

I think he could be forced to recuse himself.

If Mueller has the evidence, then he should not hesitate, in my opinion. He should indict.

Algernon Moncrieff

(5,790 posts)
23. No, Muller should not indict Trump. That would be a job best left to a Grand Jury
Tue Sep 11, 2018, 12:02 AM
Sep 2018

Muller should present evidence and witnesses to a Grand Jury. They will decide accordingly.

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