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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsBreaking! Manafort apparently reaches some sort of plea deal!
https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/tentative-deal-reached-manafort-special-counsel-sources/story?id=57809113Former Trump campaign chairman Paul Manafort has tentatively agreed to a plea deal with special counsel Robert Mueller that will head off his upcoming trial, sources familiar with the negotiations tell ABC News.
The deal is expected to be announced in court Friday, but it remains unclear whether Manafort has agreed to cooperate with prosecutors or is simply conceding to a guilty plea, which would allow him to avoid the stress and expense of trial, according to three sources with knowledge of the discussions.
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Commentary from Seth Abramson:
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AndJusticeForSome
(537 posts)Can't wait to learn more details.
Tom Rinaldo
(22,917 posts)It avoids evidence being introduced at trial and all the negative news coverage. If he is NOT cooperating if could just pave the way for Trump pardons.
grantcart
(53,061 posts)And give statements under oath on key facts pertaining to his guilty plea.
He can still be called as a witness and won't have a 5th amendment protection for actions he has plead guilty to.
manor321
(3,344 posts)grantcart
(53,061 posts)If he cooperated then he would have to tell everything else.
Also when he allocutes he doesn't have to implicate anyone.
Caliman73
(11,744 posts)to break the law.
The thing is, Mueller is too much of a prosecutor and has too many "angry Democrats" working for him to do something as stupid as going soft or helping Manafort to game the system.
Tom Rinaldo
(22,917 posts)But without suggesting he be denied his right to avoid a trial and plead guilty instead, a trial were one to go forward would entail hours and hours of coverage and exposure that I believe could help educate the public to the scope and nature of the misdeeds undertaken to the greatest degree possible. There is a political as well as legal dimension to the outcome of these charges and the entire Mueller investigation, as Trump's side well understands.
grantcart
(53,061 posts)He can still be charged for other crimes.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)and just figured people shouldn't be worrying that Mueller doesn't know his job.
lindysalsagal
(20,741 posts)No reason it has to be publicly revealed.
Gothmog
(145,631 posts)LandOfHopeAndDreams
(872 posts)Mueller is supposedly operating from a position of enormous strength. I do not see why he would negotiate any deal unless it provides him something of extreme value.
If this SOB Manafort escapes justice, without coming forward with information relating to Drumpf, it will be a travesty.
Again, I don't see why Mueller would negotiate with this criminal, and it worries me.
The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,879 posts)to the crimes he's pleading guilty to. And if he's pardoned he no longer has 5th Amendment protection and could be required to testify under oath as a witness.
uponit7771
(90,367 posts)The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,879 posts)But he could still be on the hook for state crimes.
uponit7771
(90,367 posts)Johnny2X2X
(19,140 posts)Remember Cohen's plea deal? Where he took a deal as "not cooperating"? Manafort gave him something or promised to give him something valuable enough to cut this deal. And he's likely taking prison time still.
Giuliani saying they aren't worried means, "THEY ARE REALLY WORRIED!" People have to pick up on the fact that this group lies out of instinct and say the opposite of what the truth is almost without fail.
Trump will go on a Tweet storm soon enough to confirm how much this freaks him out.
Caliman73
(11,744 posts)So you are thinking that after 18 months of relentless pursuit, running such a tight ship that there are virtually no leaks in what amounts to the most significant investigation in the last 30 years of presidential history, that Mueller is suddenly just going to say, "Okay screw it, let them off easy" is that what you are thinking?
You are thinking that Mueller just suddenly, after going through the trouble of bringing the indictments and setting up two different trials is just, for the heck of it saying, "yeah let's just make the worst possible deal with this guy" ?
You think that if Trump's people had something that severely weakened Mueller's position to negotiate, that they wouldn't have pasted it on every news outlet and Trump wouldn't be Tweeting is to high heaven?
In other words. Relax a bit. Let's see how this plays out.
Gothmog
(145,631 posts)Gothmog
(145,631 posts)The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,879 posts)A presidential pardon and $3 will get him a venti latte at Starbucks.
Gothmog
(145,631 posts)A pardon is of no use for state charges
standingtall
(2,787 posts)drop charges against Manafort as a courtesy if he were to cooperate and if what he has is good enough the request might be honored.
Gothmog
(145,631 posts)Mueller could cut a deal with the VA AG https://ballotpedia.org/Mark_Herring