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manor321

(3,344 posts)
Thu Sep 13, 2018, 06:00 PM Sep 2018

Breaking! Manafort apparently reaches some sort of plea deal!

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/tentative-deal-reached-manafort-special-counsel-sources/story?id=57809113


Former Trump campaign chairman Paul Manafort has tentatively agreed to a plea deal with special counsel Robert Mueller that will head off his upcoming trial, sources familiar with the negotiations tell ABC News.

The deal is expected to be announced in court Friday, but it remains unclear whether Manafort has agreed to cooperate with prosecutors or is simply conceding to a guilty plea, which would allow him to avoid the stress and expense of trial, according to three sources with knowledge of the discussions.


EDIT:

Commentary from Seth Abramson:
Whatever Manafort offered Mueller—maybe it was small, maybe it was big, no sense in speculating—was something at least for now the parties do *not* want public. But media saying that the basis for the plea deal was to save Manafort "stress and expense"... no. Just no. Stop it.



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Breaking! Manafort apparently reaches some sort of plea deal! (Original Post) manor321 Sep 2018 OP
Well this is interesting AndJusticeForSome Sep 2018 #1
This could be bad if he is not cooperating Tom Rinaldo Sep 2018 #2
Not correct. Even if he does not cooperate he still has to allocute grantcart Sep 2018 #5
That all sounds pretty good. :) n/t manor321 Sep 2018 #6
Yes BUT he only has to address what he is charged with. grantcart Sep 2018 #21
True. Like Cohen, where he admitted that he was directed by a "candidate for Federal office" Caliman73 Sep 2018 #15
Thanks. A bettter scenario than I thought... Tom Rinaldo Sep 2018 #18
He can still be called to testify at someone else's trial grantcart Sep 2018 #22
Thanks, Grantcart. I didn't remember all this stuff, Hortensis Sep 2018 #23
Conceivable that he could provide ecidence and we'd never know. lindysalsagal Sep 2018 #3
Rep Ted Lieu-MOST SUCCESSFUL WITCH HUNT IN US HISTORY Gothmog Sep 2018 #4
I Don't Like This At All LandOfHopeAndDreams Sep 2018 #7
If Manafort pleads guilty he has to confess in open court The Velveteen Ocelot Sep 2018 #9
He could have his sentence commuted uponit7771 Sep 2018 #12
He could. The Velveteen Ocelot Sep 2018 #13
Yep this, should be part of the plea deal uponit7771 Sep 2018 #19
Not so fast Johnny2X2X Sep 2018 #10
Let me ask... Caliman73 Sep 2018 #16
From my twitter feed Gothmog Sep 2018 #8
Manafort may be locking in a pardon Gothmog Sep 2018 #11
What if the state of New York prosecutes him for financial crimes? The Velveteen Ocelot Sep 2018 #14
The tax case will be in Virginia which is where he filed state taxes Gothmog Sep 2018 #17
I would think that Mueller could ask the State of New York to standingtall Sep 2018 #20
The Virginia AG is Democrat Gothmog Sep 2018 #24

Tom Rinaldo

(22,917 posts)
2. This could be bad if he is not cooperating
Thu Sep 13, 2018, 06:03 PM
Sep 2018

It avoids evidence being introduced at trial and all the negative news coverage. If he is NOT cooperating if could just pave the way for Trump pardons.

grantcart

(53,061 posts)
5. Not correct. Even if he does not cooperate he still has to allocute
Thu Sep 13, 2018, 06:09 PM
Sep 2018

And give statements under oath on key facts pertaining to his guilty plea.

He can still be called as a witness and won't have a 5th amendment protection for actions he has plead guilty to.

grantcart

(53,061 posts)
21. Yes BUT he only has to address what he is charged with.
Thu Sep 13, 2018, 07:28 PM
Sep 2018

If he cooperated then he would have to tell everything else.

Also when he allocutes he doesn't have to implicate anyone.

Caliman73

(11,744 posts)
15. True. Like Cohen, where he admitted that he was directed by a "candidate for Federal office"
Thu Sep 13, 2018, 06:54 PM
Sep 2018

to break the law.


The thing is, Mueller is too much of a prosecutor and has too many "angry Democrats" working for him to do something as stupid as going soft or helping Manafort to game the system.

Tom Rinaldo

(22,917 posts)
18. Thanks. A bettter scenario than I thought...
Thu Sep 13, 2018, 07:07 PM
Sep 2018

But without suggesting he be denied his right to avoid a trial and plead guilty instead, a trial were one to go forward would entail hours and hours of coverage and exposure that I believe could help educate the public to the scope and nature of the misdeeds undertaken to the greatest degree possible. There is a political as well as legal dimension to the outcome of these charges and the entire Mueller investigation, as Trump's side well understands.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
23. Thanks, Grantcart. I didn't remember all this stuff,
Thu Sep 13, 2018, 08:00 PM
Sep 2018

and just figured people shouldn't be worrying that Mueller doesn't know his job.

lindysalsagal

(20,741 posts)
3. Conceivable that he could provide ecidence and we'd never know.
Thu Sep 13, 2018, 06:05 PM
Sep 2018

No reason it has to be publicly revealed.

 
7. I Don't Like This At All
Thu Sep 13, 2018, 06:15 PM
Sep 2018

Mueller is supposedly operating from a position of enormous strength. I do not see why he would negotiate any deal unless it provides him something of extreme value.

If this SOB Manafort escapes justice, without coming forward with information relating to Drumpf, it will be a travesty.

Again, I don't see why Mueller would negotiate with this criminal, and it worries me.

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,879 posts)
9. If Manafort pleads guilty he has to confess in open court
Thu Sep 13, 2018, 06:28 PM
Sep 2018

to the crimes he's pleading guilty to. And if he's pardoned he no longer has 5th Amendment protection and could be required to testify under oath as a witness.

Johnny2X2X

(19,140 posts)
10. Not so fast
Thu Sep 13, 2018, 06:33 PM
Sep 2018

Remember Cohen's plea deal? Where he took a deal as "not cooperating"? Manafort gave him something or promised to give him something valuable enough to cut this deal. And he's likely taking prison time still.

Giuliani saying they aren't worried means, "THEY ARE REALLY WORRIED!" People have to pick up on the fact that this group lies out of instinct and say the opposite of what the truth is almost without fail.

Trump will go on a Tweet storm soon enough to confirm how much this freaks him out.

Caliman73

(11,744 posts)
16. Let me ask...
Thu Sep 13, 2018, 07:00 PM
Sep 2018

So you are thinking that after 18 months of relentless pursuit, running such a tight ship that there are virtually no leaks in what amounts to the most significant investigation in the last 30 years of presidential history, that Mueller is suddenly just going to say, "Okay screw it, let them off easy" is that what you are thinking?

You are thinking that Mueller just suddenly, after going through the trouble of bringing the indictments and setting up two different trials is just, for the heck of it saying, "yeah let's just make the worst possible deal with this guy" ?

You think that if Trump's people had something that severely weakened Mueller's position to negotiate, that they wouldn't have pasted it on every news outlet and Trump wouldn't be Tweeting is to high heaven?


In other words. Relax a bit. Let's see how this plays out.

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,879 posts)
14. What if the state of New York prosecutes him for financial crimes?
Thu Sep 13, 2018, 06:52 PM
Sep 2018

A presidential pardon and $3 will get him a venti latte at Starbucks.

Gothmog

(145,631 posts)
17. The tax case will be in Virginia which is where he filed state taxes
Thu Sep 13, 2018, 07:01 PM
Sep 2018

A pardon is of no use for state charges

standingtall

(2,787 posts)
20. I would think that Mueller could ask the State of New York to
Thu Sep 13, 2018, 07:17 PM
Sep 2018

drop charges against Manafort as a courtesy if he were to cooperate and if what he has is good enough the request might be honored.

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