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Tue Sep 18, 2018, 11:27 PM

Hillary on Rachel tonight.

This woman's decorum, grasp of the issues, intelligence and spirit is so impressive. It is still unimaginable to me that she lost to this sexist, racist, insulting, pussy-grabbing pig now in the white house. Especially since she won the popular vote by 3 million. Literally in tears over what should have been.

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Reply Hillary on Rachel tonight. (Original post)
Kath2 Sep 2018 OP
lunamagica Sep 2018 #1
Kath2 Sep 2018 #2
donkeypoofed Sep 2018 #3
Awsi Dooger Sep 2018 #4
Hortensis Sep 2018 #5
diane in sf Sep 2018 #6
UCmeNdc Sep 2018 #7
malaise Sep 2018 #8

Response to Kath2 (Original post)

Tue Sep 18, 2018, 11:46 PM

1. It's amazing that this country doesn't appreciate the qualities you listed

Grasp of the issues, intelligence and spirit is what one should consider when electing a leader, but no, does s/he has charisma? would I like to drink a beer with them?

And I think with Hillary, her intelligence, her brilliance was threatening to some. Sexism still runs rampart in this country

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Response to lunamagica (Reply #1)

Tue Sep 18, 2018, 11:49 PM

2. Yes, it does.

So does racism and misogyny. And that just sickens me.

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Response to Kath2 (Original post)

Wed Sep 19, 2018, 01:58 AM

3. Hillary is the smartest person ever to run for President

But misogyny kept her out.

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Response to donkeypoofed (Reply #3)

Wed Sep 19, 2018, 02:14 AM

4. Agreed on both counts

In my lifetime I've not seen anyone comparable to her.

But it needed to be 2008, during a favorable situational terrain, to offset the misogyny. I will always view those primaries as a major gaffe. We looked a few months ahead and not 16 years. Obama would have been unblemished and ideal toward a more difficult cycle in 2016. Of course, I am always thinking in terms of big picture and long term so it stood out to me, as opposed to the Iraq vote and other trivia. This site was not friendly to Hillary supporters during 2008. I left for many years. Others never returned.

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Response to Kath2 (Original post)

Wed Sep 19, 2018, 02:33 AM

5. HRC again warned us of right-wing authoritarianism.

She warned that our democracy is being subverted and could fall to an authoritarian government. She's talking about an existential threat to government of, by and for the people.

Authoritarianism does not mean current citizen-controlled things like whether we're going to have corporal punishment in schools. It means either dictator-type government or fascism, probably continuing to pretend to be a democracy but not, like Iran and Russia, both failed democracies. Their leaders decide who will be punished and how.

Hillary: "...we have an election, and it's an election that could not be more critical to ending any continuing threat from authoritarian tendencies."


She chose to just focus on Trump on Maddow and the need to vote for a Democratic-controlled congress to act as a check on him. But the Republicans currently installed or kept in congress to further their donors' goals are every bit as big a threat, as is authoritarian control of the Supreme Court.

We are most Americans and we can stop this. But we must have control of congress.

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Response to Kath2 (Original post)

Wed Sep 19, 2018, 02:48 AM

6. She didn't lose, the election was stolen in three swing states.

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Wed Sep 19, 2018, 03:51 AM

7. Trump would not have won without Russian money and technology help.

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Response to Kath2 (Original post)

Wed Sep 19, 2018, 04:10 AM

8. She did not lose

They stole it. History will absolve me.

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