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Drunken Irishman

(34,857 posts)
Mon Sep 24, 2018, 12:17 PM Sep 2018

If Trump doesn't fire Rosenstein - why?

Why wouldn't he? It seems like now more than ever he has the type of support for cover. I get it would be bad optics but with a complacent GOP, and at least some reasoning on why he had to do it, as opposed to just doing it, why not do it?

What's their game plan here?

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If Trump doesn't fire Rosenstein - why? (Original Post) Drunken Irishman Sep 2018 OP
You're assuming Trump has a game plan. The Velveteen Ocelot Sep 2018 #1
I get that but why not fire him? Drunken Irishman Sep 2018 #2
I Imagine Rosenstein Might Have Some Aces Up His Sleeve Skraxx Sep 2018 #3
Now that seems like a reasonable answer. Drunken Irishman Sep 2018 #5
Yeah, He's A Smart Cookie and Was Certainly Prepared for this Moment Skraxx Sep 2018 #8
Oh, that makes sense. There must be a ton of stuff that could remain "classified" lagomorph777 Sep 2018 #13
I think they thought he was in the bag exboyfil Sep 2018 #7
Because .... 6 weeks from election day. scheming daemons Sep 2018 #4
Fair. Drunken Irishman Sep 2018 #6
Trump would rather he resigns because of the Vacancy Act. RockRaven Sep 2018 #9
Firing Rosenstein Would be a Clear Case of Obstruction of Justice dlk Sep 2018 #10
He's just playing Corgigal Sep 2018 #11
Axios will have egg on their face for a long time after getting played this way. lagomorph777 Sep 2018 #14
I think it was a test balloon MiniMe Sep 2018 #12
Trump wants to make Rosenstein NewJeffCT Sep 2018 #15

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,686 posts)
1. You're assuming Trump has a game plan.
Mon Sep 24, 2018, 12:18 PM
Sep 2018

Trump fires people he thinks are disloyal. That's the only excuse he needs.

 

Drunken Irishman

(34,857 posts)
2. I get that but why not fire him?
Mon Sep 24, 2018, 12:21 PM
Sep 2018

He literally got that excuse with the NYT, so, why not use it? Is he getting pushback from the GOP? Was this all a trial balloon to see how people would react to the possibility? I'm just confused as to why his staff wouldn't pull the trigger.

Skraxx

(2,972 posts)
3. I Imagine Rosenstein Might Have Some Aces Up His Sleeve
Mon Sep 24, 2018, 12:23 PM
Sep 2018

For protection. He's got insurance of some sort against this. They wanted to fire him, he pulls out an Ace and says "You sure about that?".

If he's not fired today, I suspect it's because he did something to prevent it.

lagomorph777

(30,613 posts)
13. Oh, that makes sense. There must be a ton of stuff that could remain "classified"
Mon Sep 24, 2018, 02:29 PM
Sep 2018

or could be included in Mueller's report. Trump gets to choose between the path to impeachment, or the path to banishment, humiliation, and ruin.

exboyfil

(17,863 posts)
7. I think they thought he was in the bag
Mon Sep 24, 2018, 12:24 PM
Sep 2018

for a "resignation", but he refused to go into the bag.

The NYT enablers are going to have try harder next time.

 

scheming daemons

(25,487 posts)
4. Because .... 6 weeks from election day.
Mon Sep 24, 2018, 12:23 PM
Sep 2018

The Blue Wave becomes a 50-foot high tsunami if he pulls the trigger before election day.

RockRaven

(14,966 posts)
9. Trump would rather he resigns because of the Vacancy Act.
Mon Sep 24, 2018, 12:31 PM
Sep 2018

The AG job, the Deputy AG job, etc require Senate confirmation. But if there is a vacancy due to resignation after a certain time period the President can put into the job someone who has been confirmed by the Senate for a different role in the administration, and bypass Senate confirmation. The President cannot pull that maneuver if the vacancy was created by firing, only resignation (a least that's what I've read elsewhere).

So if Rosenstein resigns Trump can eventually directly replace him with an incompetent lackey instead of a dutiful professional -- and Trump's Cabinet and their departments are full of hyper-partisans and mindless Trump-loyal cretins that would shut down Mueller in a heartbeat if made DAG. Trump can't do that if he fires him.

It is a big deal for the rule of law that Rosenstein not resign. We'll see how much fortitude he has, because Trump is not going to give up on this.


*Edit to add note: this is not based upon my reading the Act, but on what other's have written on DU and Twitter, and therefore could be total hogwash*

Corgigal

(9,291 posts)
11. He's just playing
Mon Sep 24, 2018, 12:37 PM
Sep 2018

his old John Baron, NY media crap. Worked for him for years. Again, cable news doesn't know how to wait until real answers are completed.

Trying to change the optics's. Cable news should know , by getting played so much during the election. Nope, and we need our own news media. Smarter.

lagomorph777

(30,613 posts)
14. Axios will have egg on their face for a long time after getting played this way.
Mon Sep 24, 2018, 02:30 PM
Sep 2018

Their source will now be blacklisted.

MiniMe

(21,714 posts)
12. I think it was a test balloon
Mon Sep 24, 2018, 02:26 PM
Sep 2018

After Comey, he may have learned about the optics of firings. It didn't do well, it will come after the midterms

NewJeffCT

(56,828 posts)
15. Trump wants to make Rosenstein
Mon Sep 24, 2018, 02:33 PM
Sep 2018

sign some loyalty pledge or some BS like that, and to also explain his 25th Amendment comments, and humbly apologize for them.

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