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Not right that Senator Cruz and his wife Heidi were surrounded and forced to leave a restaurant (Original Post) oberliner Sep 2018 OP
I respectfully disagree with Beto on this. Nevilledog Sep 2018 #1
+1 ffr Sep 2018 #33
I disagree, too wryter2000 Sep 2018 #38
in Texas. Nevilledog Sep 2018 #40
I think they needed a taste of what it feels like to be an asylum seeker. shraby Sep 2018 #2
Yes. Put them in cages. Loki Liesmith Sep 2018 #5
Yes, like Drumpf treated Cruz. Respectful. rzemanfl Sep 2018 #3
Trump is an awful human being oberliner Sep 2018 #4
Yes he is. Why other humans associate with him makes me question Darwin. n/t rzemanfl Sep 2018 #6
Good for Beto PJMcK Sep 2018 #7
Cruz, born a Canadian, area51 Sep 2018 #8
if you vote for a racists pos you are a racists pos ! stonecutter357 Sep 2018 #9
It's not right to attack Cruz's wife since she's voting for Beto. Snake Plissken Sep 2018 #10
You Forgot The Sarcasm Smilie LandOfHopeAndDreams Sep 2018 #11
I appreciate his sense of ethics... I don't agree when it comes to the likes of Cruz, but ... hlthe2b Sep 2018 #12
I made a comment online Runningdawg Sep 2018 #13
I see nothing wrong with public ridicule of public officials. WeekiWater Sep 2018 #14
He deserved it Timewas Sep 2018 #15
Agree with Beto. Most people need clear, simple choices Hortensis Sep 2018 #16
Spot on. nt Blue_true Sep 2018 #19
I agree with Beto. Blue_true Sep 2018 #17
I tend to agree with you on this, too. LisaM Sep 2018 #29
He's a public figure with the ability to directly KPN Sep 2018 #35
We are better off getting him voted out of office. Blue_true Sep 2018 #37
You think it helps him, I think it hurts him. KPN Sep 2018 #59
To each their own. Blue_true Sep 2018 #60
Exactly, so stop knocking us please. KPN Sep 2018 #63
"Us"? How is that? So you say you're special class? nt Blue_true Sep 2018 #64
Us those who think protests, activism and a political revolution have value as opposed to KPN Sep 2018 #65
Thanks for the explanation of "Us". Blue_true Sep 2018 #66
No it doesn't. It shows progressive legislation follows on relatively longer KPN Sep 2018 #71
Oh well, like I said, you have your view of reality and I have mine. nt Blue_true Sep 2018 #72
Oh please. What a complete distortion. This was about making Cruz a sympathetic R B Garr Sep 2018 #68
I think it is the correct thing, politically, to say this. RockRaven Sep 2018 #18
Realizing he's playing to the crowd, nevertheless, there are consequences procon Sep 2018 #20
I think he did this on purpose knowing he could be accosted. slater71 Sep 2018 #21
I have to agree with Beto. Not only should a person be allowed to have a peaceful dinner Vinca Sep 2018 #22
It's a believable sentiment coming from O'Rourke. LanternWaste Sep 2018 #23
He's a better person than I am Bettie Sep 2018 #24
Hmm, i see someone is posting again, threads attacking democrats...not you of course Eliot Rosewater Sep 2018 #26
All day, every day. Kingofalldems Sep 2018 #32
"How are we going to handle this one?" RhodeIslandOne Sep 2018 #34
How is this attacking? I think Beto is a great candidate and a great guy Bettie Sep 2018 #36
Not BETO attacking, someone at DU using his situation to attack...in a convoluted way Eliot Rosewater Sep 2018 #43
I did not see it as an attack Bettie Sep 2018 #44
Yes, thanks. This has nothing to do with the GREAT BEto, and everything to do with Eliot Rosewater Sep 2018 #57
Yes, it is a constant stream of triangulations such as this where R B Garr Sep 2018 #69
Have notified the admins about this plot? Perhaps a thread in ATA is in order. Hassin Bin Sober Sep 2018 #56
Are you new to the internet? R B Garr Sep 2018 #70
It's the "Dems don't fight" talking point, again. betsuni Sep 2018 #47
O'Rourke is being a gentleman peggysue2 Sep 2018 #25
Exactly, peggysue.. what I was thnking. Cha Sep 2018 #45
Hey, Cha! peggysue2 Sep 2018 #46
That's Fantastic! What a way to start Cha Sep 2018 #51
Beto is smart HopeAgain Sep 2018 #27
He handled this the right way. Blue_true Sep 2018 #39
Beto showing Ted Cruz the view from the high road. Cruz has never seen it before. nt TeamPooka Sep 2018 #28
His ears don't pick up those frequencies. lindysalsagal Sep 2018 #50
Just makes him more genuine and thoughtful. libdem4life Sep 2018 #30
Should read ..."treated with respect, bless their hearts." Luz Sep 2018 #31
Beto is campaigning and doing VERY well at it. davsand Sep 2018 #41
Beto, dude, that's showing respect... idcdu Sep 2018 #42
More and more Beto reminds me of President Obama lunatica Sep 2018 #48
It's wrong, but it's pretty damn funny! lindysalsagal Sep 2018 #49
I am torn between decency and justice when it comes to this. Power 2 the People Sep 2018 #52
Hard to say where that line is... pecosbob Sep 2018 #53
The ship of respect and decency in politics awesomerwb1 Sep 2018 #54
YES IT IS FUCK HIM AND HIS WIFE stonecutter357 Sep 2018 #55
Beto is clearly showing his true self... Docreed2003 Sep 2018 #58
$400 per plate dinner. Does that change the picture? lindysalsagal Sep 2018 #61
What happens when ultra conservative protestors start harassing elected Democrats ... spin Sep 2018 #62
A lot of things are "not right" unfortunately ck4829 Sep 2018 #67
Halfway agree DFW Sep 2018 #73

ffr

(22,669 posts)
33. +1
Tue Sep 25, 2018, 02:29 PM
Sep 2018

Until the injustices of 2016, 2004, & 2000 GEs is rectified, expect the majority to voice strong opposition to being wagged by the minority.

PJMcK

(22,035 posts)
7. Good for Beto
Tue Sep 25, 2018, 12:51 PM
Sep 2018

As far as I'm concerned, wish I had been at the restaurant. I would've gotten in Cruz's face and told him what I think of him.

Mr. O'Rourke is a better man than I.

Runningdawg

(4,516 posts)
13. I made a comment online
Tue Sep 25, 2018, 01:09 PM
Sep 2018

that I bet Beto had a good laugh behind closed doors and was trolled by someone, without a funny bone in their body, who apparently thought she spoke for all liberals when she told me what a POS I was. LOL

 

WeekiWater

(3,259 posts)
14. I see nothing wrong with public ridicule of public officials.
Tue Sep 25, 2018, 01:09 PM
Sep 2018

I also see nothing wrong with Beto's Tweet.

Keep fighting Beto.

Timewas

(2,193 posts)
15. He deserved it
Tue Sep 25, 2018, 01:17 PM
Sep 2018

He got what he deserved he has no respect for anyone including himself...He has disrespected everything this country stands for,why would he be due and respect.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
16. Agree with Beto. Most people need clear, simple choices
Tue Sep 25, 2018, 01:19 PM
Sep 2018

simply illustrated. The ones we can draw are looking for the decency and responsibility Republicans abandoned. Acting like trumpsters is like lying down with pigs; in short order, who can tell any difference or care to?



A lot of people who don't love Trump at all were big helps in getting him elected.

Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
17. I agree with Beto.
Tue Sep 25, 2018, 01:24 PM
Sep 2018

Protest people like Cruz at their jobs, leave them alone when they are shopping or dining.

We need to all vote strategically and eliminate people like Cruz from government.

LisaM

(27,810 posts)
29. I tend to agree with you on this, too.
Tue Sep 25, 2018, 02:10 PM
Sep 2018

I think there are some exceptions to this, but I'm not entirely comfortable with heckling people who are dining and shopping in local businesses. Don't take that to mean that I defend anything Ted Cruz does - I think he's a raging hypocrite and that his policies are terrible - but sometimes I think these tactics could backfire.

I admire Beto O'Rourke for taking the stance that he did.

KPN

(15,644 posts)
35. He's a public figure with the ability to directly
Tue Sep 25, 2018, 02:31 PM
Sep 2018

impact people’s lives for years to come. He willfully ventured into the public arena. People have the right to object to and protest him on the basis of his political positions whenever and wherever he is in the public. Restaurants are public places.

Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
37. We are better off getting him voted out of office.
Tue Sep 25, 2018, 02:48 PM
Sep 2018

Some people get jazzed up about public protests, they think those protests work wonders. Yep, going after a dining Cruz helps him. I think O'Rourke realized that, hence his tweet, the tweet neutralizes the potential for Cruz to make hay from the protest.

KPN

(15,644 posts)
59. You think it helps him, I think it hurts him.
Tue Sep 25, 2018, 07:38 PM
Sep 2018

To each his/her own I guess. I’d rather both protest and vote him out. Protests are not entirely ineffective; not by a long stretch, especially when based on credible dissent, and sustained or consistently generated over time. Don’t discount the effect of organic activism.

Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
60. To each their own.
Tue Sep 25, 2018, 08:20 PM
Sep 2018

I rather stay focused on relentless policy proposals and selling them. I don't cotton to giving a snake one chance at sympathy, the protesters did that for Cruz.

KPN

(15,644 posts)
65. Us those who think protests, activism and a political revolution have value as opposed to
Wed Sep 26, 2018, 12:05 PM
Sep 2018

those who do not and deride those actions as a meaningless waste of time and favor the mechanics of crafting legislation.

Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
66. Thanks for the explanation of "Us".
Wed Sep 26, 2018, 12:16 PM
Sep 2018

History clearly shows that the route that I prefer has produced far more progressive change to society. There have been moments for your approach, but most of the time, it gets ignored by those that are allowed to cling to power because some people are too pure to vote for someone that gives them 90% of what they demand.

KPN

(15,644 posts)
71. No it doesn't. It shows progressive legislation follows on relatively longer
Wed Sep 26, 2018, 02:00 PM
Sep 2018

periods of activism including protests that laid the groundwork and created the environment for such legislative changes. I'm not discounting the value or importance of crafting effective legislation -- it is absolutely necessary. The two go hand in hand.

R B Garr

(16,952 posts)
68. Oh please. What a complete distortion. This was about making Cruz a sympathetic
Wed Sep 26, 2018, 12:29 PM
Sep 2018

figure and handing that to him on a silver platter by showing him clutching at his wife as if she was unsafe. That's quite a stretch to distill that whole scenario down to that versus "mechanics of crafting legislation." LOL.

RockRaven

(14,966 posts)
18. I think it is the correct thing, politically, to say this.
Tue Sep 25, 2018, 01:27 PM
Sep 2018

That does not mean I think it is actually true.

Ted Cruz should be treated with the respect or disrespect HE HAS EARNED, and he should not be allowed a pass because his family or wife are with him. If he doesn't want them exposed to that, STOP EARNING THE PUBLIC'S DISRESPECT or don't appear in public with them. It is a problem of his own making, it's up to him to solve it.

procon

(15,805 posts)
20. Realizing he's playing to the crowd, nevertheless, there are consequences
Tue Sep 25, 2018, 01:31 PM
Sep 2018

for egregious behavior. In Cruz's case, that might even include being identified and called out for the nasty things he says and the destructive policies he supported.

To each their own.

slater71

(1,153 posts)
21. I think he did this on purpose knowing he could be accosted.
Tue Sep 25, 2018, 01:45 PM
Sep 2018

Maybe he thought that would help his election.

Vinca

(50,269 posts)
22. I have to agree with Beto. Not only should a person be allowed to have a peaceful dinner
Tue Sep 25, 2018, 01:47 PM
Sep 2018

with their spouse, how else might Ted choke to death on a piece of steak if he's continually drummed out of restaurants?

Bettie

(16,104 posts)
24. He's a better person than I am
Tue Sep 25, 2018, 02:01 PM
Sep 2018

because I think that Ted should be chased out of every public venue by people who are disgusted with him.

Like that final Opera scene in Dangerous Liaisons. Just shunned by everyone for being a waste of skin.

Eliot Rosewater

(31,109 posts)
26. Hmm, i see someone is posting again, threads attacking democrats...not you of course
Tue Sep 25, 2018, 02:06 PM
Sep 2018

I wanted to ignore this thread ATTACKING democrats but I couldnt

Bettie

(16,104 posts)
36. How is this attacking? I think Beto is a great candidate and a great guy
Tue Sep 25, 2018, 02:35 PM
Sep 2018

I think Ted Cruz is a piece of trash and he SHOULD be chased out of every venue he is in because of that.

Fer cryin' out loud.

Or are you mad becasue people are being disrespectful to Ted Cruz?

Eliot Rosewater

(31,109 posts)
43. Not BETO attacking, someone at DU using his situation to attack...in a convoluted way
Tue Sep 25, 2018, 04:12 PM
Sep 2018

Some folks will do anything they can to point out ANY criticism of ANY democrats or in this case democratic protesters. NOT Beto.

Bettie

(16,104 posts)
44. I did not see it as an attack
Tue Sep 25, 2018, 05:06 PM
Sep 2018

I saw it as a note that Beto is a really courteous, decent man rather than a critique of him.

As I said before, he's a MUCH better person than I am. I could not even imagine being marginally polite if faced with Cruz.

ETA: Now that I see who the OP was...I get why you'd assume that it was an attack. I merely read the tweet and did not pay much attention to the source.

Eliot Rosewater

(31,109 posts)
57. Yes, thanks. This has nothing to do with the GREAT BEto, and everything to do with
Tue Sep 25, 2018, 06:33 PM
Sep 2018

certain folks who will jump on ANYTHING that attacks DEMOCRATS

And then some of them will make smart ass snarky comments and the only way to avoid problems is to ignore them.

R B Garr

(16,952 posts)
69. Yes, it is a constant stream of triangulations such as this where
Wed Sep 26, 2018, 12:36 PM
Sep 2018

Democrats are pitted against one another/each other. Undeniable at this point.

peggysue2

(10,828 posts)
46. Hey, Cha!
Tue Sep 25, 2018, 05:25 PM
Sep 2018

And guess what? My son's wedding on the Outer Banks actually happened. We were sweating it right up to the moment of departure. But the evacuation was lifted and the wedding was beautiful, right on the beach.

Sometimes, things work out

Now I need to transfer that lucky star to November 6th in General and to Beto O'Rourke specifically. As well as all our other Dem candidates.

We can do this!! And we can get North & South Carolina up and running again--the state interiors and coastal towns are still a bloody mess.

All things are doable!

HopeAgain

(4,407 posts)
27. Beto is smart
Tue Sep 25, 2018, 02:09 PM
Sep 2018

This is Texas we are dealing with. As I said in an earlier post, he understands that many Texans are scared of civil disorder, bless their little hearts...

Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
39. He handled this the right way.
Tue Sep 25, 2018, 02:50 PM
Sep 2018

Now, if Cruz tries to use the protest against Beto, Cruz will look like a hamfisted fool.

 

libdem4life

(13,877 posts)
30. Just makes him more genuine and thoughtful.
Tue Sep 25, 2018, 02:14 PM
Sep 2018

Watch what they Do as well as what they Say. Like he says, he fights for the underdog. It got him some votes...I guarantee it.

davsand

(13,421 posts)
41. Beto is campaigning and doing VERY well at it.
Tue Sep 25, 2018, 03:16 PM
Sep 2018

I think (judging only on his media presence--never have met him in the flesh!) Beto seems like a really good guy. Good guys don't act like assholes.

I, however, am not nice human, and I am not running for office. F*** Cruz. His wife probably doesn't deserve public ridicule except for the fact that she happens to be married to a piece of scum, so if she gets some crap while she's out with him, too bad. Also pretty sure everybody who has been hurt by Cruz's terrible votes probably wouldn't be terribly sad to hear his dinner in some posh DC place was disrupted.

Good thing there are nice guys out there like Beto. They keep assholes like me in line sometimes.

Just sayin.


Laura

 

idcdu

(170 posts)
42. Beto, dude, that's showing respect...
Tue Sep 25, 2018, 03:20 PM
Sep 2018

If I was next to Cruz, he'd be tarred and feathered, and his wallet stolen (and thrown away)

lunatica

(53,410 posts)
48. More and more Beto reminds me of President Obama
Tue Sep 25, 2018, 05:30 PM
Sep 2018

Michelle and Obama would do and say the same thing.

I think it’s exemplary manners for a politician. I wish I could vote for Beto.

Power 2 the People

(2,437 posts)
52. I am torn between decency and justice when it comes to this.
Tue Sep 25, 2018, 05:50 PM
Sep 2018

On the one hand I believe that we should be decent to each other and not behave this way in public.

On the other hand,people like Cruz and Sarah Sanders have made it their life's work to terrorize working people with policy and deception. Would I be comfortable having a terrorist or someone who abuses the elderly and the poor for profit dining next to me? If they were physically assaulting an innocent person rather than doing it through policy and lies would I force their removal? I think I would.

pecosbob

(7,538 posts)
53. Hard to say where that line is...
Tue Sep 25, 2018, 06:01 PM
Sep 2018

we would each have to make that choice in real time. I would probably heckle Cruz, but I'm from Texas and hate what people like him have made of the state where I grew up. It used to be a nice place to live...now it's a pretty hateful place.

Dick Cheney or Henry Kissinger...I'd definitely harass them, but most of the truly evil have enough sense not to mingle with the commons. Toadies like Gump's spokesperson SHS may be pretty dislikable but probably don't deserve that kind of harassment.

awesomerwb1

(4,267 posts)
54. The ship of respect and decency in politics
Tue Sep 25, 2018, 06:06 PM
Sep 2018

was untied from the dock, set on fire and pushed offshore by the gop years ago.

I couldn't care less if someone slipped ex-lax into Cruz's dinner.

There'll be time to restore decency into our politics once most of these racist, bigoted, liars, power hungry, sell outs, traitors in the gop are voted out, or shamed out.

Gloves are off.

Docreed2003

(16,858 posts)
58. Beto is clearly showing his true self...
Tue Sep 25, 2018, 07:31 PM
Sep 2018

It's easy to say that we would be on the side of the protesters...most of us feel the same way. Yet, Beto is choosing to take a high ground here that Ted would likely never take. For that, I applaud Beto.

lindysalsagal

(20,682 posts)
61. $400 per plate dinner. Does that change the picture?
Tue Sep 25, 2018, 08:28 PM
Sep 2018

Msnbc just reported $150 entrees with $150 extra fees for rare caviar, plus expensive wines. With the threat of killing ss and healthcare, and the fact that it 's near the election, he had it coming.

spin

(17,493 posts)
62. What happens when ultra conservative protestors start harassing elected Democrats ...
Tue Sep 25, 2018, 09:48 PM
Sep 2018

and their families at a restaurant?

I am surprised this hasn’t already happened.

I don’t agree with such tactics no matter which side is employing them. It’s not all that big a step from harassment to physical violence.

ck4829

(35,072 posts)
67. A lot of things are "not right" unfortunately
Wed Sep 26, 2018, 12:24 PM
Sep 2018

It is not right that we have a health care "system" that values money over patients.

It is not right that billionaires are viewed as demigods according to Republicans.

It is not right that people are in poverty but they don't matter because, hey, the Dow broke a new record!

It is not right that the same Evangelicals who pushed the 2003 Iraq War to bring on the "end times" are now viewed as paragons of religious freedom.

We need to pick and choose our battles, I choose not to battle for the crooked Cruz family, sorry.

DFW

(54,372 posts)
73. Halfway agree
Wed Sep 26, 2018, 04:55 PM
Sep 2018

Not right that Senator Cruz and his wife Heidi were surrounded and forced to leave a restaurant last night because of protesters.
Agree

The Cruz family should be treated with respect.
Disagree--if the Cruz family wanted that, he should not have acted like an asshole the moment he was sworn in, and then only gotten worse since.

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