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oberliner

(58,724 posts)
Tue Sep 25, 2018, 12:51 PM Sep 2018

I can't be the only person feeling deeply uncomfortable with Michael Avenatti

I can’t be the only person feeling deeply uncomfortable with Michael Avenatti ”teasing” his TV audience with rape allegations to come.

If he’s got it, he should produce it. But feeling increasingly uncomfortable with his use of women as chess pieces.




Brianna Wu, liberal feminist
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I can't be the only person feeling deeply uncomfortable with Michael Avenatti (Original Post) oberliner Sep 2018 OP
I don't like the windup pitches either, but he's a showman. Funtatlaguy Sep 2018 #1
Not his call tazkcmo Sep 2018 #45
Then , I wish he would have waited for client ok. Funtatlaguy Sep 2018 #47
There's something to be said for letting people know it's coming Cuthbert Allgood Sep 2018 #84
That's fair. n/t tazkcmo Sep 2018 #95
Well, hope for the best (this may be real and principled) Hortensis Sep 2018 #2
Raise your hand, who is surprised about this here etc...cant say more Eliot Rosewater Sep 2018 #5
I'm not surprised. justgamma Sep 2018 #83
He is on our side get it? wasupaloopa Sep 2018 #15
That's not enough. Sanders is on our side but HOW he was Hortensis Sep 2018 #21
This. nt lillypaddle Sep 2018 #35
Avenatti is doing just what he should wasupaloopa Sep 2018 #39
Who is on our side? Bernie Sanders? Eliot Rosewater Sep 2018 #97
The whole ideological left "our side" referred to here, Eliot. Hortensis Sep 2018 #98
Yeah well I cant say what I KNOW about who is really on our side and who isnt. Eliot Rosewater Sep 2018 #99
Whatever. This discussion is about the Kavanaugh Hortensis Sep 2018 #101
I didnt bring up "that guy" someone else did, this thread was started to divide. We know that Eliot Rosewater Sep 2018 #102
So, shush? Hortensis Sep 2018 #104
Yeah shush about that guy, ok, but even without that distraction this entire thread Eliot Rosewater Sep 2018 #105
In every thread where I see you comment, you always say, "I can't say." cwydro Sep 2018 #120
I'm perfectly fine manor321 Sep 2018 #3
Hmm. Several anti-Avennati OPs, others verging on RW talking points. It's almost like an objective. TheBlackAdder Sep 2018 #100
Noted and agreed. nt Doremus Sep 2018 #110
Michael Avenatti knows exactly how to deal with the media avebury Sep 2018 #4
Trolls are out in force today, why post that anti Avenatti crap here too?.. HipChick Sep 2018 #9
I am an Avanatti fan, I am not trolling him. nt avebury Sep 2018 #17
Brianna Wu is not a troll NewJeffCT Sep 2018 #22
It's not "crap". It is an opinion that you may disagree with. justhanginon Sep 2018 #63
There's a group of "usual suspects" here who post the anti-Avenatti crap. brush Sep 2018 #71
yup...succinctly posted.. HipChick Sep 2018 #80
They don't seem inclined to stop anytime soon, unfortunately. nt Doremus Sep 2018 #113
People find him, he isn't going looking for wasupaloopa Sep 2018 #6
Yes elleng Sep 2018 #12
We Need 10,000 Avenattis PaulX2 Sep 2018 #7
Yes elleng Sep 2018 #10
+1000 n/t CousinIT Sep 2018 #78
I also like that he stands up for sex workers. DesertRat Sep 2018 #93
+1000 Old Vet Sep 2018 #114
I'm uncomfortable with the slams of Michael Avenatti, elleng Sep 2018 #8
I am so with you. n/t monmouth4 Sep 2018 #18
;-) elleng Sep 2018 #20
#MeToo. NT redwitch Sep 2018 #48
I second that! FarPoint Sep 2018 #33
EXACTLY why this thread was created, to ATTACK Avenatti and yet it stands. Eliot Rosewater Sep 2018 #54
I see your point... FarPoint Sep 2018 #96
Very telling to me about the posters doing this!!! Nt USALiberal Sep 2018 #49
And there is a long list of examples of this shit. Yet I am the one who has to use Eliot Rosewater Sep 2018 #57
+1, he's had a good record so far !!! uponit7771 Sep 2018 #76
I agree. smirkymonkey Sep 2018 #124
Jealousy is CHILDISH. elleng Sep 2018 #125
Post removed Post removed Sep 2018 #11
Graduate of Oberlin College, hence the handle Hekate Sep 2018 #72
Avenatti is putting his reputation on the line and this woman must be okay with his tactics. rzemanfl Sep 2018 #13
It's a timing thing, he wants to drop a bombshell just before the vote. I'm fine with it. We need Meadowoak Sep 2018 #14
Yah, I'm real "concerned" about that, too. MineralMan Sep 2018 #16
So now you are putting her down for using the name of the company she founded? jberryhill Sep 2018 #40
Looks like she'll be running again in 2020. MineralMan Sep 2018 #43
LOL. Great catch MM!!! still_one Sep 2018 #55
Yes, like we need the street cred heads-up so everyone R B Garr Sep 2018 #68
I guess I'm out of touch. MineralMan Sep 2018 #69
Exactly. Very well said. I'm not up on all the R B Garr Sep 2018 #122
Gamer Gate is why she is notable JonLP24 Sep 2018 #136
Much better cred than a "conservative feminist". OilemFirchen Sep 2018 #112
I guess I see it a little differently. Timing is everything at this point. Nevilledog Sep 2018 #19
Exactly. Meadowoak Sep 2018 #67
Avenatti is beating Trump at the game. guillaumeb Sep 2018 #23
Then feel deeply uncomfortable with Trump and Kav. WeekiWater Sep 2018 #24
There are a lot of people "uncomfortable" with him ismnotwasm Sep 2018 #25
Avenatti is the consummate showman, a world class ringmaster who can procon Sep 2018 #26
give it a rest already Hermit-The-Prog Sep 2018 #27
No, you're not. He seems like a polished ad for personal injury lawyers. LisaM Sep 2018 #28
He has said consistently that his client will speak out spooky3 Sep 2018 #32
Yes, because personal injury lawyers are a scourge on our society. Cuthbert Allgood Sep 2018 #87
Not lawyer bashing. LisaM Sep 2018 #90
Whatever one's opinion of OP, Brianna Wu was a quite progressive Democratic candidate for Congress, Hoyt Sep 2018 #29
+++ JHan Sep 2018 #82
Yes, the neo-progressives are horribly concerned about Avenatti. OilemFirchen Sep 2018 #116
Have some sympathy for Wu and what she endured, spooky3 Sep 2018 #30
He plays to win.... FarPoint Sep 2018 #31
Avenatti is the Dem master of getting free press.... Like Trump is on their side world wide wally Sep 2018 #34
I think he knows exactly how to play the game. gibraltar72 Sep 2018 #36
I don't like the windup either but...... dawnie51 Sep 2018 #37
The more uncomfortable Michael Avenatti makes the privileged bullies feel, Sugar Smack Sep 2018 #38
Now you're talking. The OP is full of it. brush Sep 2018 #73
Hopefully Kavanono is the one whom is feeling the most uncomfortable knowing what he has done is FromTheAshes Sep 2018 #41
Avenatti is dominating this board, again? Why saidsimplesimon Sep 2018 #42
Because he scares the trolls, so there is a lot of space devoted Squinch Sep 2018 #79
It's annoying, but Avenatti is taking a page out of Trump's book meow2u3 Sep 2018 #44
I have no issue whatsoever... but clearly you do as this sort of thing had been posted before by Demsrule86 Sep 2018 #46
+1, constant predictable triangulations. nt R B Garr Sep 2018 #58
There were two NEW ones before I went to work today. OilemFirchen Sep 2018 #117
These posts simply aren't working out the way you want, eh? LanternWaste Sep 2018 #50
It never ends does it? Kingofalldems Sep 2018 #56
If at first you don't succeed, try, try again. betsuni Sep 2018 #61
I like how Avenatti makes the trolls get all nervous and squirrelly. Squinch Sep 2018 #77
He is a lawyer for a porn star GusBob Sep 2018 #51
So what. Avenatti is his own person, why should anyone think he should behave or do something still_one Sep 2018 #52
I get what you are saying.... Laffy Kat Sep 2018 #53
Again? betsuni Sep 2018 #59
Oberliner, it is a tactic. The assault victims are being tried in public. Avenattti is very good at Nitram Sep 2018 #60
Same here. We are now far beyond Stormy territory and into the Constitution elfin Sep 2018 #62
I'm glad he's on our side budkin Sep 2018 #64
I Can't Think of One Time SDJay Sep 2018 #65
The CD? Funtatlaguy Sep 2018 #85
Technically he threatened to use the CD, didn't guarantee he would use it. grantcart Sep 2018 #94
Trump, McConnell, GOP and Kavanaugh have been playing the media game dmr Sep 2018 #66
THIS. CousinIT Sep 2018 #75
If Avenatti contributes to Repub butthurt, then I'm all for it. Just another foe they have to fight. dameatball Sep 2018 #70
Avenatti seems to frighten you. Why is that? You are working so hard to discredit him. Squinch Sep 2018 #74
Three words....Picky, Picky, Picky libdem4life Sep 2018 #81
I agree with the tweet in the OP 100%. "Women as chess pieces" - 100%. Trust Buster Sep 2018 #86
So far he's produced everything. lunatica Sep 2018 #88
He's representing HIS client as best he can. The people hurt by what OnDoutside Sep 2018 #89
Avenatti's calls Brianna Wu "clueless": DesertRat Sep 2018 #91
He knows how to bait the news and bring more marlakay Sep 2018 #92
It took three weeks for the last of Franken's "accusers" to emerge. OilemFirchen Sep 2018 #103
Why yes, yes you are the only one MyNameGoesHere Sep 2018 #106
No... he makes my skin crawl a bit.... BUT... Adrahil Sep 2018 #107
Maybe he's waiting until the client is safe? Sancho Sep 2018 #108
I'm assuming his client hired him exactly for his strategy as a lawyer. Demit Sep 2018 #109
Everyone projects their own ideas/concerns/insecurities etc... on people. Caliman73 Sep 2018 #111
She owns that. H2O Man Sep 2018 #115
Your discomfort about Avenatti means alot to me. n/t Crunchy Frog Sep 2018 #118
Carry on Mr Avanetti!!! redstateblues Sep 2018 #119
Avenatti is a product of the Trump era Azathoth Sep 2018 #121
Tweet in OP now deleted. Denzil_DC Sep 2018 #123
Thank you for posting. You might want to make this an OP. n/t rzemanfl Sep 2018 #126
Hi, rzemanfl. Long time, no speak. Denzil_DC Sep 2018 #129
It has been. I will send a PM. n/t rzemanfl Sep 2018 #130
No rush, but I'll look forward to it. n/t Denzil_DC Sep 2018 #131
Michael Avenatti Is a Relentless Self-Promoter, But He Hasn't Been Wrong Yet SMC22307 Sep 2018 #127
showman. - n/t lapfog_1 Sep 2018 #128
Julie Swetnick has a high security clearance. Kingofalldems Sep 2018 #132
The tweet must be deleted JonLP24 Sep 2018 #133
Come on now. Delete this!! boston bean Sep 2018 #134
I s'pose this morning's news really has you guys white-knuckled. LanternWaste Sep 2018 #135

Cuthbert Allgood

(4,921 posts)
84. There's something to be said for letting people know it's coming
Tue Sep 25, 2018, 03:28 PM
Sep 2018

so that they can make an informed decision.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
2. Well, hope for the best (this may be real and principled)
Tue Sep 25, 2018, 12:53 PM
Sep 2018

and refuse to "own" his behavior if it's not and Republicans try weaponize it against the Democratic Party.

Sadly, there is a far bigger market for salacious sex allegations than for documented perjury. The first dramatic week of presenting principled evidence and demands for investigation by our senators gained us a week's delay in the vote and some shift in public opinion. But it's the subsequent sex allegations that have thrown the Republicans into severe disarray, with Kavanaugh's nomination hanging by a thread. That's the way it is.

Eliot Rosewater

(31,109 posts)
5. Raise your hand, who is surprised about this here etc...cant say more
Tue Sep 25, 2018, 12:55 PM
Sep 2018

For fuck sake, how many years has this shit gone on here?

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
21. That's not enough. Sanders is on our side but HOW he was
Tue Sep 25, 2018, 01:02 PM
Sep 2018

on our side was a significant factor in throwing the presidency and senate, and possibly the house, to the Republicans. Just being "on our side" isn't enough.

But as I said, hope for the best. Where there are 2 and more credible accusations of sexual abuse against a specific man being considered for a judicial position, there are very likely to be more.

Credible ones ethically presented and in dignified manner. We need to use every opportunity to underline the differences between us and the Republicans.

 

wasupaloopa

(4,516 posts)
39. Avenatti is doing just what he should
Tue Sep 25, 2018, 01:14 PM
Sep 2018

Put so many strings and hoops and he may as well just forget it.

Also to hell with playing nice! This is about our country and freedoms and democracy!

You can explain the need for your niceties if the fascists let you.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
98. The whole ideological left "our side" referred to here, Eliot.
Tue Sep 25, 2018, 04:41 PM
Sep 2018

For purposes of discussion. As opposed to the conservative right. And he is left ideologically, as are Ralph Nader, Michael Moore, and presumably Jill Stein. No need for knee-jerk head-smashing (I need another emoji for that one).

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
101. Whatever. This discussion is about the Kavanaugh
Tue Sep 25, 2018, 04:51 PM
Sep 2018

confirmation. It's about the bloodless putsch archconservatives are trying to pull off by getting control of elective government and the courts.

Not every thread should be used as a faggot to be lit and tossed on that internal bonfire. What's happening right now is very important. To put it mildly. Those people are well to the right of even the Republican electorate, who don't know it. Enemies of democracy.

Eliot Rosewater

(31,109 posts)
105. Yeah shush about that guy, ok, but even without that distraction this entire thread
Tue Sep 25, 2018, 04:59 PM
Sep 2018

was started TO distract and divide us.

Even having nothing to do with "that guy" and I wish to fuck someone would put a stop to this.



Have to run to local march and support protest in support of union workers

 

cwydro

(51,308 posts)
120. In every thread where I see you comment, you always say, "I can't say."
Tue Sep 25, 2018, 05:38 PM
Sep 2018

It’s consistent wherever you comment.

Who is stopping you?

 

manor321

(3,344 posts)
3. I'm perfectly fine
Tue Sep 25, 2018, 12:53 PM
Sep 2018

We have no idea what the woman is even going to say. Why is Brianna assuming rape or attempted rape?

And Stormy is extremely happy with his representation.

TheBlackAdder

(28,189 posts)
100. Hmm. Several anti-Avennati OPs, others verging on RW talking points. It's almost like an objective.
Tue Sep 25, 2018, 04:48 PM
Sep 2018

avebury

(10,952 posts)
4. Michael Avenatti knows exactly how to deal with the media
Tue Sep 25, 2018, 12:54 PM
Sep 2018

and is doing just fine. I would rather have his client conduct an interview right before the hearing as the interview, combined with the hearings, might keep Dump from over shadowing the Kavanaugh debacle with his will I or won't I fire Rosentein game.

NewJeffCT

(56,828 posts)
22. Brianna Wu is not a troll
Tue Sep 25, 2018, 01:03 PM
Sep 2018

she was one of the first women that got attacked by trolls in Gamergate.

That said, I think it's pretty obvious that Avenatti is playing the media for attention while the paperwork and everything else is being finalized. I have not seen many that are against Trump that have been able to steal the media attention away from Trump.

justhanginon

(3,290 posts)
63. It's not "crap". It is an opinion that you may disagree with.
Tue Sep 25, 2018, 01:54 PM
Sep 2018

That certainly does not make it "crap" on a discussion site.

brush

(53,773 posts)
71. There's a group of "usual suspects" here who post the anti-Avenatti crap.
Tue Sep 25, 2018, 02:16 PM
Sep 2018

They come out like clockwork. Guess they prefer milquetoast Dems who roll over at the thought of being skewered by repugs.

Seems to be some jealousy involved too.

 

wasupaloopa

(4,516 posts)
6. People find him, he isn't going looking for
Tue Sep 25, 2018, 12:56 PM
Sep 2018

victims.

He should say what ever delays the vote .

He is on our side.

 

PaulX2

(2,032 posts)
7. We Need 10,000 Avenattis
Tue Sep 25, 2018, 12:56 PM
Sep 2018

Taking on the billionaire serving Republican horde.

Never surrender when you are right.

Eliot Rosewater

(31,109 posts)
57. And there is a long list of examples of this shit. Yet I am the one who has to use
Tue Sep 25, 2018, 01:50 PM
Sep 2018

"sigh" instead of saying what needs to be said

SIGH

 

smirkymonkey

(63,221 posts)
124. I agree.
Tue Sep 25, 2018, 08:13 PM
Sep 2018

I think a lot of people are jealous of him. Yes, he is a bit flashy and a showman, but he's on our side and I think his heart is in the right place.

Response to oberliner (Original post)

Hekate

(90,667 posts)
72. Graduate of Oberlin College, hence the handle
Tue Sep 25, 2018, 02:24 PM
Sep 2018

Often very concerned about Democrats behaving well in the face of severe beatings by the GOP.

rzemanfl

(29,557 posts)
13. Avenatti is putting his reputation on the line and this woman must be okay with his tactics.
Tue Sep 25, 2018, 12:57 PM
Sep 2018

I think we will hear from this woman that she was used as another kind of piece or they tried to. She is very courageous.



Meadowoak

(5,545 posts)
14. It's a timing thing, he wants to drop a bombshell just before the vote. I'm fine with it. We need
Tue Sep 25, 2018, 12:57 PM
Sep 2018

Fighters in our party.

MineralMan

(146,288 posts)
16. Yah, I'm real "concerned" about that, too.
Tue Sep 25, 2018, 12:59 PM
Sep 2018

Yes, indeed. Thanks from posting a tweet from a "Spacekatgal!" and she's a "liberal feminist," too.

 

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
40. So now you are putting her down for using the name of the company she founded?
Tue Sep 25, 2018, 01:14 PM
Sep 2018

That's, like, a way to attack a woman?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brianna_Wu

Brianna Wu (born July 6, 1977) is an American video game developer and computer programmer. She co-founded Giant Spacekat, an independent video game development studio, with Amanda Warner in Boston, Massachusetts. She is also a blogger and podcaster on matters relating to the video game industry, and ran for Congress as Massachusetts Representative in 8th district.


Or is it the fact that she was an actual Democratic candidate the part that bothers you about her?

MineralMan

(146,288 posts)
43. Looks like she'll be running again in 2020.
Tue Sep 25, 2018, 01:19 PM
Sep 2018

I don't live in MA, though, so I can't vote for her. I had not heard of her running this year. But, then, I don't follow other states' primary elections.

Still, the concern is palpable.

R B Garr

(16,950 posts)
68. Yes, like we need the street cred heads-up so everyone
Tue Sep 25, 2018, 01:59 PM
Sep 2018

will argue about “liberal feminists” now. So predictable.

MineralMan

(146,288 posts)
69. I guess I'm out of touch.
Tue Sep 25, 2018, 02:06 PM
Sep 2018

I was not aware of Brianna Wu. I don't follow primary races in states other than my own, and I have absolutely no interest in the world of gaming. Never heard of her.

I see she lost her primary in that state, and is planning to try again in 2020. Brava! I wish her every success. But, snarky "concerns" about Michael Avenatti are of no help at all. If his client drops a bombshell tomorrow, that could easily throw another monkey wrench into the works at the Senate hearing on Thursday.

So, more power to him, i say. He apparently knows more about effective timing for stuff like that than I ever will.

My problem is the constant presentation of "concern" about things about which there should be no concern. Someone has a story that will harm Kavanaugh's confirmation? I sure hope so. I am definitely concerned about him getting seated on the SCOTUS. But I'm not concerned at all about Avenatti's strategy.

R B Garr

(16,950 posts)
122. Exactly. Very well said. I'm not up on all the
Tue Sep 25, 2018, 08:02 PM
Sep 2018

Twitterverse personas either, but keeping priorities straight should be the main focus. You are right. The Republicans are the enemy, so keep the attacks/focus on them.

JonLP24

(29,322 posts)
136. Gamer Gate is why she is notable
Wed Sep 26, 2018, 01:47 PM
Sep 2018

If you haven't heard of Gamergate then you have been living under a rock. That is how people like Milo and Candace Owens got their start.

The Gamergate controversy stemmed from a harassment campaign conducted primarily through the use of the hashtag #GamerGate. The controversy centered on issues of sexism and progressivism in video game culture. Gamergate is used as a blanket term for the controversy as well as for the harassment campaign and actions of those participating in it.

In August 2014, the harassment campaign targeted several women in the video game industry; notably game developers Zoë Quinn and Brianna Wu, as well as feminist media critic Anita Sarkeesian. After Eron Gjoni, Quinn's former boyfriend, wrote a disparaging blog post about her, #gamergate hashtag users falsely accused Quinn of an unethical relationship with journalist Nathan Grayson. Harassment campaigns against Quinn and others included doxing, threats of rape, and death threats.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gamergate_controversy

There was a huge left wing / right wing divide on this.

Nevilledog

(51,087 posts)
19. I guess I see it a little differently. Timing is everything at this point.
Tue Sep 25, 2018, 01:01 PM
Sep 2018

Disclose the info too early and the repubs would try something like they did yesterday with the whole Rosenstein kerfluffle. Disclose it Wednesday and repubs will have no time to massage their response. That allows Thursday's hearing to commence with the new allegations hanging over the whole process and gives rise to a stronger argument that the vote shouldn't proceed at this time.

guillaumeb

(42,641 posts)
23. Avenatti is beating Trump at the game.
Tue Sep 25, 2018, 01:03 PM
Sep 2018

Avenatti is revealing the truth, and Trump must hide the truth.

It is called Karma.

 

WeekiWater

(3,259 posts)
24. Then feel deeply uncomfortable with Trump and Kav.
Tue Sep 25, 2018, 01:04 PM
Sep 2018

I'm not the biggest Avenatti fan but it's hard to imagine feeling "deeply uncomfortable" with him. He is a player making a name for himself. Those going to him for representation know exactly what they are getting. I think the uncomfortable part is claiming he is using women. He might be doing so for personal gain on the one hand. On the other, he is an immediate equalizer for women who have been assaulted by the powerful. The game is rigged against women. He evens that out almost immediately.

ismnotwasm

(41,976 posts)
25. There are a lot of people "uncomfortable" with him
Tue Sep 25, 2018, 01:06 PM
Sep 2018

Or just giving him the side eye. That doesn’t mean he isn’t useful or sometimes correct

procon

(15,805 posts)
26. Avenatti is the consummate showman, a world class ringmaster who can
Tue Sep 25, 2018, 01:06 PM
Sep 2018

dance circles around the like of Trump. He's using Trump's tactics to outwit his opponents, and for the most part, people are eating it up. It's his schtick, his modus operandi, and like Rachel Maddow's formulaic style, at times its both intriguing as it is annoying.

Yeah, we know he's playing a role, using twitter as his playground, the taking advantage of the media that is always looking for controversial stories, but he's so damn good at it, I suspect most of us give him a bit of slack because he delivers the goods he promised.

LisaM

(27,806 posts)
28. No, you're not. He seems like a polished ad for personal injury lawyers.
Tue Sep 25, 2018, 01:07 PM
Sep 2018

On the other hand, Rachel Maddow loves to do long, drawn-out, circular lead-ins too, so the interview on her show last night was rather inconclusive. He did a long teaser, she didn't ask him straight out what he was getting at.

spooky3

(34,444 posts)
32. He has said consistently that his client will speak out
Tue Sep 25, 2018, 01:11 PM
Sep 2018

Within a specified time frame. She has not authorized him to say more yet.

Cuthbert Allgood

(4,921 posts)
87. Yes, because personal injury lawyers are a scourge on our society.
Tue Sep 25, 2018, 03:33 PM
Sep 2018

Until you get hurt, of course.

I think we could do without lawyer bashing on DU.

 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
29. Whatever one's opinion of OP, Brianna Wu was a quite progressive Democratic candidate for Congress,
Tue Sep 25, 2018, 01:08 PM
Sep 2018

although she was unsuccessful in primary.

Her opinion isn't coming from support of Kavanaugh, trump, GOPers, etc. I have concerns about Avenatti as well, but if he comes through tomorrow, all the better.

OilemFirchen

(7,143 posts)
116. Yes, the neo-progressives are horribly concerned about Avenatti.
Tue Sep 25, 2018, 05:26 PM
Sep 2018

Their motives aren't exactly a secret, FTR.

spooky3

(34,444 posts)
30. Have some sympathy for Wu and what she endured,
Tue Sep 25, 2018, 01:09 PM
Sep 2018

But I don’t think Wu has a fair take on Avenatti. His client hired him and directs his actions, not the reverse. So I can assume only that she approved the approach he is using; otherwise, she would fire him.

And Avenatti did not state that his client alleged rape. He said she was “a victim and a witness.”

FarPoint

(12,351 posts)
31. He plays to win....
Tue Sep 25, 2018, 01:09 PM
Sep 2018

We need Michael Avenantti...having more like him would be helpful....we need to stop being weak, fighting will pillows and go for the jugular...

gibraltar72

(7,503 posts)
36. I think he knows exactly how to play the game.
Tue Sep 25, 2018, 01:12 PM
Sep 2018

I take him at his word when he says he's got em. I also believe him when he says he wants to be sure they are safe before they go public. We've seen how far the cult will go. I'm more uncomfortable with the surrender weasels we've got in our party. And the go along get alongs.

dawnie51

(959 posts)
37. I don't like the windup either but......
Tue Sep 25, 2018, 01:13 PM
Sep 2018

Avenatti plays the rethugs game, better than they do. And for now, we have to fight them in kind. They wait for maximum opportunity, they plot, they hedge. What is jarring to us is that we have to do this to, because how the info is dropped, and when, has become as important as the actual info. Thugs have known this forever, and used it against us. Until he is proven unworthy, I love me some Avenatti.

Sugar Smack

(18,748 posts)
38. The more uncomfortable Michael Avenatti makes the privileged bullies feel,
Tue Sep 25, 2018, 01:13 PM
Sep 2018

the more comfortable I feel with Michael Avenatti.

 

FromTheAshes

(128 posts)
41. Hopefully Kavanono is the one whom is feeling the most uncomfortable knowing what he has done is
Tue Sep 25, 2018, 01:16 PM
Sep 2018

COMING OUT.

saidsimplesimon

(7,888 posts)
42. Avenatti is dominating this board, again? Why
Tue Sep 25, 2018, 01:17 PM
Sep 2018

He is looking for those clicks and bragging rights, while pretending to run for political office. imo

Avenatti is an excellent attack dog. The tweets "promising" more to follow reminds me of a flim/flam peanut shell diversion. It also reminds me of the reality show has been.

Squinch

(50,949 posts)
79. Because he scares the trolls, so there is a lot of space devoted
Tue Sep 25, 2018, 02:37 PM
Sep 2018

to trying to discredit him.

They are among us.

Demsrule86

(68,556 posts)
46. I have no issue whatsoever... but clearly you do as this sort of thing had been posted before by
Tue Sep 25, 2018, 01:40 PM
Sep 2018

you what yesterday I think where unnamed Democratic leaders have 'issues'.

OilemFirchen

(7,143 posts)
117. There were two NEW ones before I went to work today.
Tue Sep 25, 2018, 05:29 PM
Sep 2018

This makes three, at least.

Not that I'm counting.

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
50. These posts simply aren't working out the way you want, eh?
Tue Sep 25, 2018, 01:46 PM
Sep 2018

I feel your frustration, though I giggle at it as well.

GusBob

(7,286 posts)
51. He is a lawyer for a porn star
Tue Sep 25, 2018, 01:48 PM
Sep 2018

I hope he has a good reason for the tease release of whatever information he has

I cant figure why he wont just lay it out already, there most be a reason

still_one

(92,187 posts)
52. So what. Avenatti is his own person, why should anyone think he should behave or do something
Tue Sep 25, 2018, 01:48 PM
Sep 2018

according to some "script"

The guy in the WH sure doesn't


Nitram

(22,794 posts)
60. Oberliner, it is a tactic. The assault victims are being tried in public. Avenattti is very good at
Tue Sep 25, 2018, 01:51 PM
Sep 2018

scoring points in the court if public opinion. That will greatly aid his clients. This shitstorm is entirely political and can only be won at that level.

elfin

(6,262 posts)
62. Same here. We are now far beyond Stormy territory and into the Constitution
Tue Sep 25, 2018, 01:54 PM
Sep 2018

He is whip-smart and entertaining and has represented Ms Daniels well, but this is beyond SERIOUS.

Whenever he is off-screen for a while, he comes back loud and strong. Benefits him more than his clients at this point IMO.

I do not want the Dem's image to be him. I don't want bombast. I am so f(*&kig tired of bombast. I think he may be a sitting duck for revelations of past misdeeds of his own for "inappropriate" behavior. No facts here - just a personal hunch based upon over 60 years interacting with and observing libidinous males.

I do not want this oh so serious issue used by anyone as a launchpad for more fame and $.

SDJay

(1,089 posts)
65. I Can't Think of One Time
Tue Sep 25, 2018, 01:57 PM
Sep 2018

he's promised something and not delivered. I may have missed something along the way, but I don't hold his ambition against him. We need every live pulse we can get at this point. Our society and our future as a democracy and decent society is at stake. I don't care if he's got ulterior motives, and my sensitivity to discomfort is all but gone after nearly 2 years of the orange scumbag.

grantcart

(53,061 posts)
94. Technically he threatened to use the CD, didn't guarantee he would use it.
Tue Sep 25, 2018, 04:20 PM
Sep 2018

I believe he said that if they accused Daniels of lying he would release the CD.

They never accused her of lying and eventually caved on the law suit.

Or am I remembering wrong?

dmr

(28,347 posts)
66. Trump, McConnell, GOP and Kavanaugh have been playing the media game
Tue Sep 25, 2018, 01:58 PM
Sep 2018

I don't like what they do. Most of what they put out there is demoralizing bullshit.

I understand where Brianna's coming from, but I disagree with her idea that he is using women as chess pieces.

There is a huge difference in how Avenatti is playing the media/ social games compared to the GOP. Seems to me he's been spot on with everything he has said thus far, and his timing's been spot on, as well.

While Kavanaugh was repetitiously rattling off his talking points on the State-run Fox last night, Avenatti was on MSNBC suggesting a need for FBI involvement, specific questions to ask, as well as stating that when the time is right, there is definitely more to come.

I like that we have a smart, savvy, truth seeking attack dog on our side. It feels good for a change.

CousinIT

(9,241 posts)
75. THIS.
Tue Sep 25, 2018, 02:32 PM
Sep 2018

I wish other Dems would be more bulldog-like - thankful Avenatti is.

I don't buy into the "he's using victims" line. I see the GOP asserting he was using Stormy Daniels for money (?). I'm not buying it.

He's exposing the liars and rapists in the GOP and for the most part beating the shit out of them at their own media games. I LOVE IT.

dameatball

(7,397 posts)
70. If Avenatti contributes to Repub butthurt, then I'm all for it. Just another foe they have to fight.
Tue Sep 25, 2018, 02:10 PM
Sep 2018

Just another dent in their armor. Those that think his claim of representing yet another accuser is not a significant issue for the Repubs to deal with are IMHO incorrect.

Squinch

(50,949 posts)
74. Avenatti seems to frighten you. Why is that? You are working so hard to discredit him.
Tue Sep 25, 2018, 02:31 PM
Sep 2018

One of the reasons I like him is that he makes the trolls shit pickles and act obvious.

 

libdem4life

(13,877 posts)
81. Three words....Picky, Picky, Picky
Tue Sep 25, 2018, 03:10 PM
Sep 2018

You know, I've had my thoughts about it too, but they really don't count. Who the hell else is standing up for women? Who the hell else is willing to take the slings and arrows For Them. He is their Avenger. And he isn't "doing it right? I'm so very sorry you're "uncomfortable". No one held their hand over your mouth while trying to dig their hard penis into your female parts.

This is just thinly veiled slut shaming...women as chess pieces in the hands of a what, Porn Lawyer? How the hell do you think he earned the right to speak to the country...when no one...including the holier than thou women Senators will peep. Certainly not "playing fair".

So how "comfortable" do you feel about our aged, white, male Senators on this so-called committee? Fair?

I think not. I'll take Avenatti. And if I needed help in this arena, I wouldn't call Chuck Grassley or Orrin Hatch...or Collins and Murkowski, for that matter. Would you?

lunatica

(53,410 posts)
88. So far he's produced everything.
Tue Sep 25, 2018, 03:45 PM
Sep 2018

We’ll all know if he’s just inflating his own worth by the results. I’m not worried. What happens happens.

OnDoutside

(19,956 posts)
89. He's representing HIS client as best he can. The people hurt by what
Tue Sep 25, 2018, 04:09 PM
Sep 2018

he's doing, are Republicans, not the victims.

DesertRat

(27,995 posts)
91. Avenatti's calls Brianna Wu "clueless":
Tue Sep 25, 2018, 04:15 PM
Sep 2018



@MichaelAvenatti
Replying to @Spacekatgal
This is an outrageous and baseless attack. How dare you. You have no idea what you are talking about. You have no idea what I have been instructed to do by my client. You have no idea what the strategy is. You have no idea why we have done what we have. You are clueless.

11:59 AM - 25 Sep 2018

OilemFirchen

(7,143 posts)
103. It took three weeks for the last of Franken's "accusers" to emerge.
Tue Sep 25, 2018, 04:56 PM
Sep 2018

You remember that horrible scandal, right?

Have some patience.

 

MyNameGoesHere

(7,638 posts)
106. Why yes, yes you are the only one
Tue Sep 25, 2018, 05:01 PM
Sep 2018

Well maybe there are two that are really, deeply, hugely, mega, bigly uncomfortable. But I don't think there are more than three in the entire universe that are deeply uncomfortable.

 

Adrahil

(13,340 posts)
107. No... he makes my skin crawl a bit.... BUT...
Tue Sep 25, 2018, 05:04 PM
Sep 2018

He has a sense of what needs to happen here. and he's willing to do what has to be done. And so far, he's been on target. He has been careful to not overpromise.

Sancho

(9,067 posts)
108. Maybe he's waiting until the client is safe?
Tue Sep 25, 2018, 05:09 PM
Sep 2018

...and she may be a government employee who could be fired, so they are preparing to protect her job?

No one knows..

 

Demit

(11,238 posts)
109. I'm assuming his client hired him exactly for his strategy as a lawyer.
Tue Sep 25, 2018, 05:15 PM
Sep 2018

No matter how "deeply uncomfortable" his strategy makes an onlooker feel.

And this woman, regardless of her bona fides, is an onlooker, an outsider.

Jesus, all this tongue-clucking. Makes you wonder what the point of it is.

Caliman73

(11,736 posts)
111. Everyone projects their own ideas/concerns/insecurities etc... on people.
Tue Sep 25, 2018, 05:19 PM
Sep 2018

The implication that Avenatti's "use of women as chess pieces" I would imagine, would be offensive to the women who are presumably working with him and being represented by him. It sounds as though Ms. Wu does not believe that those women have any agency in the situation. Pretty poor idea of women from a liberal feminist, but that's just me.

If Avenatti is "using women" then that will come out and he will get his day of reckoning.

I may have certain feelings about Avenatti's constant presence on the media, but it appears that so far, his work has been to advance the position of his clients, against the GOP, as well as promoting himself.

H2O Man

(73,536 posts)
115. She owns that.
Tue Sep 25, 2018, 05:24 PM
Sep 2018

The woman in question apparently determined that Mr. Avenatti is the person she wants to represent her. She has to know that lawyers "play chess," and choose the person she believes is the best chess player. She has that right. Ms. Wu is spouting meaningless nonsense.

Azathoth

(4,608 posts)
121. Avenatti is a product of the Trump era
Tue Sep 25, 2018, 05:38 PM
Sep 2018

Trump has debased our politics beyond repair. Life and death issues like war and hurricane deaths are now fodder for his reality TV hijinks. A rape accusation is minor by comparison.

Avenatti's whole claim to fame is that he is able to out-Trump Trump. He can grab the news cycle, string the tabloid media along, and deprive the other guy of oxygen by making everything about himself. If the goal is to meet Trump on his own terms, Avenatti is the man to do it.

Denzil_DC

(7,233 posts)
123. Tweet in OP now deleted.
Tue Sep 25, 2018, 08:13 PM
Sep 2018

Explanation from Wu here:






Brianna Wu

@Spacekatgal

1/ That Tweet about @MichaelAvenatti is getting a lot of commentary, positive and negative. A few things:

First of all, I like Michael Avenatti a lot. He loves to race sports cars, I love to race motorcycles. I like the guy for that.

Also love that he stands up for sex workers.

Brianna Wu

@Spacekatgal

2/ I’m not against @MichaelAvenatti being our nominee in 2020, though he does not have my vote yet. I appreciate the fight he’s bringing to Trump.

His teasing a rape allegation to come felt distasteful to me personally. Reasonable people can disagree on this.


Brianna Wu

@Spacekatgal

3/ Democrats have a big tent. And if I disagree with someone on one thing, it doesn’t mean I don’t like them or respect them.

I do stand by my statement that this particular move feels off to me. You do not have to share that opinion. Form your own!





Brianna Wu

@Spacekatgal

I’m deleting that Tweet, not because I don’t stand by my statement. But it’s a distraction, and I have no interest in a public beef with Michael Avenatti, who I respect.

The stakes are very high this week with #kavanaugh. I hope Avenatti’s client is able to have her voice heard.

Denzil_DC

(7,233 posts)
129. Hi, rzemanfl. Long time, no speak.
Tue Sep 25, 2018, 08:31 PM
Sep 2018

Nah, I've no interest in perpetuating this. And given my track record, by the time I've OP'd it, a handful of dupes will have appeared!

If you have the time and energy, feel free to post it yourself, though.

SMC22307

(8,090 posts)
127. Michael Avenatti Is a Relentless Self-Promoter, But He Hasn't Been Wrong Yet
Tue Sep 25, 2018, 08:27 PM
Sep 2018

Charles P. Pierce

"On behalf of Stormy Daniels, he helped run Michael Cohen into the loving arms of Robert Mueller's prosecutors, to whom the former bully-boy lawyer is spilling his guts."

https://www.esquire.com/news-politics/politics/a23455699/michael-avenatti-brett-kavanaugh-accuser/

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
135. I s'pose this morning's news really has you guys white-knuckled.
Wed Sep 26, 2018, 01:43 PM
Sep 2018

Maybe something entirely different will knock it off the cycle this afternoon, and you guys can go back to it again. Fingers crossed, right?

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