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I think the Kavanaugh nomination will be withdrawn. (Original Post) boston bean Sep 2018 OP
I'm leaning that way. Solly Mack Sep 2018 #1
Yeah. Nothing is normal now a day. They could try to push it through. boston bean Sep 2018 #4
Women only matter to them in as much as women keep to their place. Solly Mack Sep 2018 #8
Surely some state would like a brand new Space Force base. NT mahatmakanejeeves Sep 2018 #2
I am hoping Avenatti is in contact with MD officials. I think if Ford were willing to file complaint hlthe2b Sep 2018 #3
Yep. If these woman want to file a complaint they should. boston bean Sep 2018 #6
I hope so too. And the word "monster" is certainly appropriate justhanginon Sep 2018 #5
From your keyboard to Dog's ear. nt raccoon Sep 2018 #7
Can we hope for a smidgen of honor from the KGOP republicans? Achilleaze Sep 2018 #9
Those people in that picture are ok with rape maryellen99 Sep 2018 #11
It is not realistic DFW Sep 2018 #20
You have to wonder if his current exboyfil Sep 2018 #10
At this point kavboy should withdraw....do they really think we are going to asiliveandbreathe Sep 2018 #12
He is going to be asked about this new allegation, and he does NOT want to lie under oath....he pnwest Sep 2018 #13
but he has lied under oath repeatedly, both in these recent hearings and... blitzen Sep 2018 #17
He is cooked regardless of what he does. Blue_true Sep 2018 #23
In a normal administration, yes Andy823 Sep 2018 #14
Are you kidding. Kavanaugh right now is t-ump's ace of spade in the hole Iliyah Sep 2018 #15
I don't. Republicans don't care. Once he's on the court, none of this will matter. OliverQ Sep 2018 #16
He can still be prosecuted in Maryland. dchill Sep 2018 #28
Nah, doubt it ScratchCat Sep 2018 #18
Its the right thing to do. Harriet Miers burned up for a lot less. apnu Sep 2018 #19
Eventually he will be too toxic, so this is a distinct possibility, R B Garr Sep 2018 #21
I agree. elfin Sep 2018 #22
Have to agee he will be withdrawn only after Mitch realizes he doesn't have 50 votes FloridaBlues Sep 2018 #24
Yeah. You could be right. boston bean Sep 2018 #31
I don't think so Omaha Steve Sep 2018 #25
That's what I'm afraid of too, hard as it is to believe. cwydro Sep 2018 #32
The GOP base does not care about rape Gothmog Sep 2018 #26
I think they think they are beyond any repercussions. redstatebluegirl Sep 2018 #27
Both Trump and Kavanaugh are still defiant this AM though, so until that changes... RockRaven Sep 2018 #29
I won't be surprised if he still wins. Kablooie Sep 2018 #30
I don't know. The unindicted co-conspirator might just as well Squinch Sep 2018 #33
I think you're right. The weight of the evidence is becoming too MineralMan Sep 2018 #34
As recently as yesterday, I'd have said "no way!" LanternWaste Sep 2018 #35

Solly Mack

(90,763 posts)
8. Women only matter to them in as much as women keep to their place.
Wed Sep 26, 2018, 12:25 PM
Sep 2018

Women challenging them? Well, they can't have that.

Women who could derail their agenda? I'm sure some of them are writing up bills now to go after us in some way.

hlthe2b

(102,234 posts)
3. I am hoping Avenatti is in contact with MD officials. I think if Ford were willing to file complaint
Wed Sep 26, 2018, 12:22 PM
Sep 2018

re: Kavanaugh attempted rape, along with Avenatti's client's testimony, this would proceed.

justhanginon

(3,290 posts)
5. I hope so too. And the word "monster" is certainly appropriate
Wed Sep 26, 2018, 12:24 PM
Sep 2018

in this case. What a foul person he has been shown to be both morally and ethically. He certainly does not belong on Supreme Court for life. Or any court for that matter.

Achilleaze

(15,543 posts)
9. Can we hope for a smidgen of honor from the KGOP republicans?
Wed Sep 26, 2018, 12:25 PM
Sep 2018

I think not. Honor and decency are no motivation for them. But they will likely throw in the crying towel for the sake of expediency, and as an attempt to preserve whatever "respect" they may have from their degenerating base of "true believers."

DFW

(54,369 posts)
20. It is not realistic
Wed Sep 26, 2018, 12:45 PM
Sep 2018

You cannot hope for Republicans to display something that they neither have nor know.

I would say that honor falls under that category.

exboyfil

(17,862 posts)
10. You have to wonder if his current
Wed Sep 26, 2018, 12:26 PM
Sep 2018

appointment to the Appellate court is tenable if he doesn't make the Supreme Court. The SC is sort of like the Presidency - anything short of a mega scandal makes you untouchable.

asiliveandbreathe

(8,203 posts)
12. At this point kavboy should withdraw....do they really think we are going to
Wed Sep 26, 2018, 12:28 PM
Sep 2018

forget about this within 41 days to election??? - he is looking aat not only losing this nom. but his current judgeship....he has NO judgement - imagine they look at all his cases, judgements retroactively???

pnwest

(3,266 posts)
13. He is going to be asked about this new allegation, and he does NOT want to lie under oath....he
Wed Sep 26, 2018, 12:29 PM
Sep 2018

HAS to withdraw himself. Trump and McConnell aren't going to do it, he HAS to withdraw. He has to see the legal landscape ahead of him, he cannot lie under oath tomorrow.

blitzen

(4,572 posts)
17. but he has lied under oath repeatedly, both in these recent hearings and...
Wed Sep 26, 2018, 12:33 PM
Sep 2018

in his confirmation hearings a decade ago. Sen. Leahy has called him out on it and provided documentary evidence.

Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
23. He is cooked regardless of what he does.
Wed Sep 26, 2018, 12:51 PM
Sep 2018

He is likely completely off the bench and could end up in prison.

Andy823

(11,495 posts)
14. In a normal administration, yes
Wed Sep 26, 2018, 12:29 PM
Sep 2018

Of course we all know there is nothing "normal" when it comes to trump and the republicans in congress.

I think this new information "should" end his chances. I really don't think they can get the votes now, an even if they did, they would be slammed by the public for allowing someone like Kavanaugh to actually be put on the Supreme Court. They are in a no win situation, but we have seen a lot of crazy things happen since trump showed up, so who really knows?

Iliyah

(25,111 posts)
15. Are you kidding. Kavanaugh right now is t-ump's ace of spade in the hole
Wed Sep 26, 2018, 12:30 PM
Sep 2018

in becoming a total dictator while avoiding Mueller time. The riche's gateway to total control and money. The whacko evangelists gateway to total one sided religious bliss.

The GOP's total and ultimate power and control over the world, especially the USA.

The above don't give a shit about anyone but themselves.

But alas, I hope you are right.


ScratchCat

(1,988 posts)
18. Nah, doubt it
Wed Sep 26, 2018, 12:36 PM
Sep 2018

If BK did these things, then he knows it.

If he did them, then he knew they could come out.

After Ford, he would have had to been really scared.

But when he went on TV and denied it, again, he would know if he did these things or not.

But he still denies them.

To everyone right of center, it looks like a concerted political effort to thwart the pick and hold up nominations until after mid terms. It doesn't look like anything else to them.

No, they are obviously going with the "left wing conspiracy" angle, will force a vote after the hearing and then try to primary any (R) Senators who don't vote for him. At this point, withdrawing means he lied. He won't do that.

apnu

(8,756 posts)
19. Its the right thing to do. Harriet Miers burned up for a lot less.
Wed Sep 26, 2018, 12:38 PM
Sep 2018

But they won't.

Kavanaugh might, and it depends on the media circus and how the nation reacts to it. But the GOP is stuck between a rock and a hard place right now.

First off, the nation hates Kavanaugh on the court, but the nation also hates the GOP (less than 20% approval), but that doesn't bother the GOP. What does bother them is retreating on Kavanaugh is admitting defeat. Their pride is still too strong right now.

Second, the Ralph Reed wing of the party. The Evangelicals have been told by their snake oil salesmen that Kavanaugh is God's pick. If they pull Kavanaugh, they have to face that stupid anger. Already 2018 is bad for them. Despite gerrymandered Congressional districts and the best Sentate battle map in modern history. They can't risk losing that last loyal voting base that does show up in midterms for them. Ralph Reed has already said, if Kavanaugh doesn't make it, his people are staying home in November.

Third, the GOP has seen the writing on the wall. They know their run is coming to an end. 2010 set them up for a good run but that juice is running out. They've stacked the map heavily in their favor but Trump is so unpopular even that tilted map isn't enough to keep them going. They also know of America's changing dymanics, but because they are so aligned with the crazy hard right, they can't reach out to non-whites w/out taking serious heat from their racist base. So they're incapable of getting younger and less-white, all they have are tricks to keep them relevant. Stacking the SCOTUS for a decade is the last trick they can play. So they're going all in on that, and don't care how bad they burn up for it. Its like a suicide run really.

R B Garr

(16,950 posts)
21. Eventually he will be too toxic, so this is a distinct possibility,
Wed Sep 26, 2018, 12:45 PM
Sep 2018

even though Trump needs him to rubber stamp his powers. That is basically his main appeal and that needs to be talked about more, too.

elfin

(6,262 posts)
22. I agree.
Wed Sep 26, 2018, 12:50 PM
Sep 2018

They can't withstand an FBI investigation. Not just because it will be bad for them, but because of the TIME it will take away to nominate someone else to rush through in time for October Supreme court seating. Just in time to invalidate the so-called Double Jeopardy case to eliminate state prosecutors of finding and sentencing someone guilty after that someone has been pardoned at the federal level.

Think this is on track to be heard -- not sure. Sorry, no link

redstatebluegirl

(12,265 posts)
27. I think they think they are beyond any repercussions.
Wed Sep 26, 2018, 12:57 PM
Sep 2018

They will dig in and go for it. They will get the orange gorilla to threaten the ones who don't fall in line. He will go out to states that have Dems on the fence and are in danger. Rally the base. I don't see it.

RockRaven

(14,962 posts)
29. Both Trump and Kavanaugh are still defiant this AM though, so until that changes...
Wed Sep 26, 2018, 12:58 PM
Sep 2018

and I don't see it changing.

Kablooie

(18,628 posts)
30. I won't be surprised if he still wins.
Wed Sep 26, 2018, 01:08 PM
Sep 2018

Republicans know they are already in the doghouse for the next election so firmly setting a conservative on the Supreme Court would be the best thing for their future. Women be damned.

Squinch

(50,949 posts)
33. I don't know. The unindicted co-conspirator might just as well
Wed Sep 26, 2018, 02:21 PM
Sep 2018

say he's not going to be pushed around by women, and dig his heels in. And kavarape probably thinks he did nothing wrong.

I hope you're right, but I'm not holding my breath.

MineralMan

(146,288 posts)
34. I think you're right. The weight of the evidence is becoming too
Wed Sep 26, 2018, 02:45 PM
Sep 2018

heavy to keep holding. It's going to cause him to drop it.

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
35. As recently as yesterday, I'd have said "no way!"
Wed Sep 26, 2018, 04:22 PM
Sep 2018

But as we're in Trump's America (Staffer: Mr President, you can't try to one-up a trial lawyer. President: Here, hold my beer) forcing the GOP to redefine morality with every new morning, you may be more right than anyone knows.

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