** I kid you not ** A fifth victim ?

[DemocratSinceBirth]

Link to tweet

[HipChick]

1. OMFG!

Arrest this pig..

[Nevilledog]

2. My guess was we'd get to 8 by Thursday.

[lunatica]

42. It could easily end up being a conservative estimate on your part.

That type of man does things like a that as often as they can. It’s like a habit.

[Nevilledog]

46. I was torn between 8 or 80...... flipped a coin.

[lunatica]

50. Safe bet! Either way!

[Blue_true]

54. I am guessing there are lots more, dozens.

Who have been moms for years and have buried memories of what happened. If just 3 of them now have the guts to come forward, that finishes that bastard.

At any rate, the floodgates are open on his ass.

[iluvtennis]

97. ++++ Agree. There is too much smoke here --- it's a raging fire. And yet Kavanaugh keeps denying.

[Scarsdale]

119. I wonder if he has blackouts from drinking?

I was married to an alcoholic. He was in a hit and run accident one night, was seen by witnesses who wrote down his license number. He hit a parked car, got out looked at the damage, got back into his car, drove around the corner and passed out in the car. He SWORE it was NOT him. Had me almost convinced, until he was brought up on charges, and threatened with a Court Martial. He got an Article16, and was never promoted again.

[iluvtennis]

120. Wow. Thanks for sharing that. Hugs.

[eleny]

3. No wonder Trump said he could change his mind

They already knew about the 4th and now the 5th.

[RhodeIslandOne]

4. Wait, he's already denied it?

[WhiskeyGrinder]

32. This is from a senate judiciary committee interview with Kavanaugh several weeks ago. Grassley

is releasing them.

[Ms. Toad]

79. No. This one is September 24, 2018 or later.

At least according to the transcript. He is being asked about an event on a boat in Rhode Island that was reported to the committee on September 24.

Lines 21-23 on the first page of the transcript.

[john657]

109. With good reason,

the accuser has already recanted.

Link to tweet

[RVN VET71]

121. I did not realize I had made a mistake until

I found this envelop full of cash and rolexes in my purse.

[john657]

124. unlikely, this guy has a history of extreme statement.

He once urged the US Military to stage a coup and remove Trump from office.
This guy is a nut.

[dchill]

5. And Trump is padding the Federal judiciary...

with more guys like these? What a generous rehabilitation program! I wouldn't put it past Trump to troll for more predators like himself to place on the Federal bench!

[cilla4progress]

6. I'm a woman

I ask this genuinely: is it possible they all are lying? Or some? What is the likelihood?

[Kingofalldems]

14. Well one has a security clearance and gave a sworn statement.

[MrsCoffee]

28. Another passed a polygraph test.

[Gore1FL]

23. It's certainly possible.

That's one reason why the FBI needs to get involved.

[WhiskeyGrinder]

26. Christ, no. Why would you even say that?

[obamanut2012]

36. Seriously? Just stop

JFC.

And, being a woman does not give you a pass questioning the victims.

[xor]

112. I think it's wise to be vigilant when handling these accusations before running with them.

The republicans could very bring about some false stories to muddy the waters. I don't see any reason why we should put that past them. There is also the possibility that some people have personal issues that lead them to jump in with their own claims. Unlike normal situations, there is a much more increased chance of false stories coming forward for various reasons. I'm not saying any of them are, I have no idea, but I hope the folks who are handling them are being very careful and deliberate. I know it can be tempting to just run with everything if it's something we want to hear (odd way of putting it, I know)


*edit* I just noticed the person you responded to said "all lying". That seems pretty damn unlikely.

[Snake Plissken]

44. It's possible that the scratches on my roof are from Santa Claus' sleigh

Possible but I wouldn't bet any money on it. Kavanaugh fits the exact profile these women paint of him, read these question he came up with all on his own to ask Bill Clinton during the Whitewater investigation, there was absolutely no reason for him to get this graphic, but it's obvious he got off on it.

https://lawandcrime.com/supreme-court/scotus-candidate-brett-kavanaugh-wanted-bill-clinton-questioned-on-ejaculation-masturbation-oral-sex-monica-lewinsky/

[lunatica]

45. That's an incredibly strange thing for a woman to say.

[PCIntern]

53. Not around here these days I'm afraid....

I’m expecting people to question Obama’s birthplace any day now....

[lunatica]

58. They think they're being subtle

Though I have no idea why they do it.

Maybe they think they’re confusing us?

[Blue_true]

59. Different women, similar way they were assaulted,

Kavanaugh got them drunk, he got drunk, then he and his best buddie gang raped them. I don't think that any of the women are lying. There is a clear pattern that is consistent woman to woman. If Kavanaugh had managed to get Mrs. Ford's cloths off, him and Judge would have likely gang raped her.

[Farmer-Rick]

67. I'm a man and I wonder how you can say that?

4 people with nothing to gain but harassment from Trump cultists come forward and you think all of them are lying because why? But Kav is telling the truth? Who's got more to gain? Kav who has a chance to force his Catholic misogynist ideas onto all of us. Or 4 people who have nothing to gain but harassment?

Because we terrible liberals are paying off all these folks? Yet the FBI, congress and white house goons can't present any evidence of this despite all the money Putin and the Koch brothers can throw at them. Boy are we good.

[NoMoreRepugs]

102. Spot on Farmer-Rick.

[uponit7771]

80. Flame suit on, good of you to ask because the KGOP are bastards who would send Trojans and that's

... why an investigation needs to be done !!!

[qazplm135]

83. Possible? Sure

But at some point the numbers are so high that the odds of all of them lying become smaller and smaller

Add to that the common themes among the complaints.

Add to that the lack of connection between the accusers.

Add to that other witnesses to his being an angry drunk.

You stop adding and go, man that's just too much to be all lies.

[Still In Wisconsin]

84. Put it this way: is it possible that you will win the lottery? Be struck three times by lightning?

Sure, it's technically possible. But sexual assault allegations are statistically speaking almost NEVER false. My wife works in the field and you can check the statistics from the FBI, WHO, several other reputable organizations and false accusations are so incredibly rare that they make up an insignificant fraction of the total. So to be blunt, if there are five women openly accusing Kavanaugh, you can bet your bottom dollar on two things: first, Kavanaugh has committed sexual assault and second, there are MANY others who have not come forward with their own stories.

[uponit7771]

89. +1, there were none against Obama and the KGOP hated him to their core. I talked to Wingers and they

... no doubt felt threatened by his package.

[Haggis for Breakfast]

90. I doubt it.

No woman in her right mind would subject herself to this level of microscopic scrutiny by men who have already made up their minds that there is no truth to the accusation. Additionally, it's not just the woman who comes forward that gets the invasive intrusion into her life and the vulgar vile comments smearing her for anything she said/did that doesn't measure up to what some one thinks is chaste, virginal, appropriate behavior, it's her entire family and everyone she knows. There is not enough money/publicity in the world to make this accusation on a whim or a lie.

Remember that rape is THE most under-reported crime in the country. For every claim that gets made, at least a dozen go unreported. And even when it does get reported, there are men like Joe Arpaio who refuse to process evidence that would validate the claim.

[Maraya1969]

96. I don't see how they could all be lying. The stories are too strange and strangely similar. He is

a violent drunk and a pathological liar. Almost like the president except without the booze.

[iluvtennis]

98. The issue is that ppl (women, men, girls, boys) who come forward need to be heard. FBI needs to

investigate this. GOPers can try to sweep one person under the rug, but now we have 5 women:

(1) Prof Ford
(2) Deborah Ramirez
(3) Julie Swetnick (sp?)
(4) Anonymous 1 -- incident happened in the Denver area
(5) Anonymous 2

None of these women know each other, yet there accusations all have a similar theme.

This needs to be investigated and if Kavanaugh was a high integrity/honest/decent person that he claims to be, he would be the 1st in line asking for an investigation.

[IncaRoads]

7. You guys know what a shit-rope is? Cause Kavanaugh is on one.

[pangaia]

38. LOL what the heck is thast???

Eh, never mind.. too funny....

I just sent it to about 5 women I know who will crack up over it,,,
One is my sister....

[csziggy]

82. From the YouTube entry it is from Trailer Park

A series which seems to have a lot of great comedy talents.

[IncaRoads]

92. That is correct!

Trailer park boys!

[GoCubsGo]

8. I suspect we've only seen the tip of the ice berg.

I will be not be at all surprised if/when many others come out.

[Blue_true]

61. Likely dozens, if not a hundred or more. nt

[Xipe Totec]

9. I missed #4. which was that? nt

[BumRushDaShow]

11. Incident from 1998. Sent by the mother of the victim to Sen. Cory Gardner (R-CO). nt

[madaboutharry]

18. The reports are the letter is from the mother of one of the witnesses.

[BumRushDaShow]

21. I don't think this 4th one was a witness for the others.

This happened to her when he was working for Ken Starr.

[bettyellen]

101. The anonymous letter was not sent from a witness, but someone who claimed to be the mom of a witness

And yes it is a separate incident- slamming a woman against a wall.

[BumRushDaShow]

113. That is what I originally wrote in my 1-liner

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100211188153#post11

[torius]

10. Since it's from a man

and he beat up the other guys, maybe the Rs will listen.

[Leghorn21]

12. Holy shit, I just took the time to read the document thoroughly

WOW, I believe you are totally correct, torius

This changes

EVERYTHING

[Awsi Dooger]

13. Plenty of specifics regarding time and place

That's great as supporting evidence but no doubt Kavanaugh and Judge will try to claim they were never in Rhode Island during that period

[torius]

15. No. 4 of Brett the Ripper

series: an anonymous mother of the victim reports the 1998 incident.
https://www.thedailybeast.com/report-senate-judiciary-committee-investigating-new-misconduct-claim-against-kavanaugh

[Achilleaze]

16. Skuzzball "republican family values" are a disgusting mess

[blitzen]

17. The victim's friends beat the shit out of "Brett and Mark"! ...

Let's hear their testimony!

[Blue_true]

63. I hope they caused them to seek medical treatment.

There would be records of their treatment, pinning the location down.

[Grasswire2]

73. YES!!

The FBI would track that down in a flash.

[wysi]

19. I'm starting to think...

... that they picked Kavanaugh because of this. That way, his SC voting could be more easily controlled and manipulated.

[Gore1FL]

30. Maybe, but he strikes me as one that would happily go along with them on anything.

Ultimately, we get the same results.

Let's hope we can stop him.

[Grasswire2]

60. it is not unknown for coroners and judges to be compromised...

...but in this case, Kavanaugh would also be BLACKMAILABLE on a grand scale, perhaps even by Russians.

[erronis]

64. "even by Russians"? Just substitute "by russians and others" This is a gang-blackmail!

Only fair to such fine gang-rapers.

[certainot]

99. blackmailability is a huge factor. spy agencies are known to have picked closeted gays

because of that, and they are practiced at keeping secrets.

i'll bet blackmailability plays a big part in a lot of republicans moving up the list to congress and senate

is that why lindsey graham is even more of a douchebag?

[Laura in LA]

20. I'm more spiritual than religious, but

God bless Christine Blasey Ford for leading the way!

[pangaia]

40. tooooshayyy

[Grubert]

22. Name of the accuser?

[Hekate]

27. Coming shortly, Grubert. What's the hurry?

[WhiskeyGrinder]

29. Anonymous. This account is from someone who knew the accuser.

[jberryhill]

77. Martha Washington

She also exposed George.

[Awsi Dooger]

24. This guy needs to come forward quickly

Totally different dynamic if suddenly a guy is describing a drunken Kavanaugh on a boat, but under the same backdrop of sexual assault along with Mark Judge.

He offered so many specifics in that report no doubt he remembers many many little supporting details

[SunSeeker]

25. Was that part of what Kavanaugh called "BEACH WEEK"?

[pangaia]

41. LOLOL

[BigmanPigman]

31. Does this mean that the Senate was aware of more victims?!?

Is th GOP blocking witnesses that they have been made aware of? How is this a smear campaign if the Seanate is hiding the facts?

[Grasswire2]

70. sounds like it

They refused to talk to the 2nd and 3rd, evidently.

[Hortensis]

33. These are all clustering in the early-mid 1980s. He was born in 1965.

Christine Blasey-Ford's and Julie Swetnick's stories are high school in 1982 when he would have been 17, Debbie Ramirez at Yale in winter 1983 or '84, and this one during college years in August 1985 at age 20.

Good friend Mark Judge is ID'd through the whole period. Judge attended Catholic U of America in Washington DC and got his bachelor's in 1990, Kavanaugh was 5 hours away at Yale but Judge was allegedly there when Debbie Ramirez would have been molested. This last one allegedly took place in August. There may just be other fallouts of those two's influence on each other.

Judge's girlfriend whom he allegedly admitted nonconsensual intercourse/rape to is speaking to the FBI.

[yardwork]

51. Kavanaugh and Judge were "joined at the hip" according to one accuser.

[Hortensis]

56. Umhm....!

[Hortensis]

114. Whoops, must have been tired: OTHERS clustered in '80s,

when he was still an adolescent in high school and college. This one would have occurred around age 33, when he was a mature man working with the unsavory Ken Starr.

Btw, it sounds like the abused woman had a relationship of some kind with Kavanaugh. If so, she'd be the first mentioned. So far NO steady girlfriends or relationships with women turned up over all these years. He got married around 39 or so.

Forgot to mention, someone last night said Republicans asking questions about this new allegation seemed notably concerned that this would have occurred at a time when he was working with Ken Starr. His history from those years has been almost entirely hidden ahead of the hearing. Wonder if this woman knows anything of interest?

[Sugarcoated]

34. How do I share a tweet link on FB?

I need to share this

[LAS14]

71. I don't know the clever ways, but I'd use Snip and just take a screen shot. nt

[bdamomma]

35. Let

Senator Whitehouse look into this, he won't play.

[ooky]

37. Stick a fork in him.

There is no way this farce can go on.

[Still In Wisconsin]

85. Bye bye Rapey Brett...

I hope he loses his current job too.

[displacedtexan]

39. I hope there's evidence of a hospital visit.

You can't hide from the single most evidence-based hospital area: THE BILLING DEPARTMENT.

[zentrum]

43. Hope these are

...good witnesses. Wonder if they left a scar on BK.

[torius]

47. Trump can just make Kav the new AG

and then VP candidate in 2020. Wouldn't put anything past him.

[Cha]

48. Kav is a serial sexual Predator.. just trump.. what are the

odds?

[pangaia]

49. Apologies guys and gals but I am in hysterics over this thread....

I mean... the is whole thing is one of the funniest series of political events I have ever witnessed in 74 years.... if it were not so disgusting,,,,,,

So for tonight I am enjoying this/these fuckers being humiliated, whether THEY feel humiliated or not.

I just LOVE WOMEN~~
Well, I mean, don't take that the wrong way, but you guys are our hope to save the planet.. with a little help from us "MEN !!" Just tell us what to do... We can' pick things up and put them down,' (like at the gym--hoorah) but sometimes that;s about it.

[Blue_true]

52. I wonder if the significant injuries required hospitalization?

If so, there should be records if they went to a hospital emergency room. They would have to use their names to get treated.

[dem4decades]

55. I hate to say this but maybe Kavanaugh is telling the truth.

There's so many victims he really doesn't remember each and every one of them.

[triron]

65. wtf do you mean??

[dem4decades]

81. Seriously? Think about it.

[Jeroen]

111. Lol, so true n/t

[Lucinda]

57. Honestly, I think the potential number could be in the dozens...

One, at least, per each weekend night, for the entire time he was in college... + HS and holidays.

[catbyte]

62. McConnell is still trying to brazen it out. He thinks he has the votes.

Maybe he does. Hell, it took 21 accusers of Packwood to come forward for the GOP to throw him overboard, and the stakes weren't nearly as high then as they are now. It's going to take a lot more than five (and counting) women for the Senate Republicans to abandon Kavanaugh.

The only way that loathsome creature isn't seated on SCOTUS the First Monday in October is if we manage to shame a few Republicans into doing the right thing. I'm looking at you, Collins, Murkowski, Sasse, Corker, and Flake.

[erronis]

68. In the bitter end, you are right. But we can hope for a shred of decency even in the other

republicans. Not something that they've shown in the last many years, but maybe they're looking at their children/grandchildren's legacy.

[triron]

66. Who is the 4th?

So Cosby goes to prison and Kavanaugh maybe to SCOTUS? WTF!!

[MontanaMama]

107. My 13 year old son said exactly that

while doing his current events homework yesterday.

[gibraltar72]

69. Didn't Avenatti say he'd had 3000 calls but couldn't confirm this fast?

[7962]

72. This has gotten ridiculous. Hope everyones happy with the next nominee.

Because SHE is gonna be a lot more RW than this one.

[Mister Ed]

106. And the alternative is?

I'm confident that no one on this board would advocate seating a serial rapist on the Supreme Court in order to prevent the likely seating of an even more radical right-winger.

[7962]

115. I'll watch what I can. I want to hear as much as possible.

But its scary that unproven accusations, provided at a last minute, can convict someone when thats not how we do things.
What would an FBI investigation find? I think the WH SHOULD have asked them to look into it, because it would have taken little time to complete. because theres little FOR them to investigate. And the most egregious of the recent claims has now been recanted; that of an actual rape 20 yrs ago. But its still there.
I would think he should be voted down based on his hearing performance and answers.
I DONT think anyone should be convicted on claims that in a courtroom would likely be tossed as hearsay. If that happens, this soon will become the norm. I dont think this compares to Roy Moore, because there was SO many people saying it was known that Moore liked "younger" girls. It doesnt compare to Cosby, because Cosby actually admitted spiking drinks.
After Weinstein, Spacey and the other recent high profile cases have come out, it was making it easier for women to speak out. I'm afraid this is going to possibly push many back into being quiet.

[Mister Ed]

116. I understand. But no one is being convicted here.

Kavanaugh is not facing conviction for a crime in these Senate proceedings. He is merely facing the possibility of being turned down for a job, in favor of some other candidate with less baggage.

It might be that the next candidate will be someone whose legal views are even less palatable to liberal Democrats than his are. That should be of no concern to the women coming forward to tell their stories. They are seeking justice, and political calculations should have no part in that.

[7962]

117. And now 2 OTHER men say it was them, not Kavenaugh, who were with Dr Ford that nite.

https://nypost.com/2018/09/27/two-men-tell-senate-that-they-not-kavanaugh-assaulted-ford/. "Anonymously" of course.

This is turning into exactly what I predicted 2 weeks ago when it all started.

[Mister Ed]

118. And there will probably be more anonymous claimants with BS stories.

That should not detract, distract, or subtract from the stories of the several women who have come forward, personally and publicly, to tell the truth.

[7962]

122. Lindsay Graham has already come out and said theyre full of shit. nt

[cilla4progress]

74. so now there's comment that the Rs

are putting out false accusers to cast doubt on all of them.

[AlexSFCA]

75. if he doesnt get confirmed, will he be removed from DC court?

I can’t see why he should be able to be a judge in any capacity; Obviously his previous confirmation was erroneous and based on false claims of integrity

[uponit7771]

86. IKR !?!? Somethings screwed up here. I'm cynical so forgive me when I say even if 1 or 2 are trojans

... which I don't put past people who steal helpless parents kids by the thousands to do, damn .. all of em can't be.

[Lonestarblue]

78. All these allegations make me wonder again about Kavanaugh's unexplained debt.

I had been speculating about gambling issues, but perhaps Kavanaugh follows Trump in more ways than one by having secret affairs and paying to keep them hidden. That debt and who paid it off really needs to be investigated.

[PoorMonger]

87. Holy shit!

These fucks have no bottom whatsoever. It’s absolutely disgusting that the Republicans knew about these 4 & 5th women and were still pushing for an immediate vote on Friday.

Why in the hell would they not at least halt this shitstorm for their own preservation?

I’m convinced that the Republican Senate was fully aware of Kavanaugh very early on and were just counting on no one finding out. It makes a twisted kind of sense if you can imagine Republicans would be inspired by their ole pal Putin. Perhaps they decided that they need the most compromised judge they could find so they could hold it over his shitty head like Russian kompromat

[Laura in LA]

88. I don't have a link

But I think the RI man may have publicly apologized for being mistaken. Ugh.

[john657]

95. Here's the link

and yes, he has recanted.

Link to tweet

[Laura in LA]

104. Thank you! NFM

[triron]

91. Why isn't Rachel talking about this???

[OliverQ]

93. Possibly false accusation by Republicans to make all the accusations look fake.

[triron]

100. No this comes from Senator Whitehouse (dem).

[Dream Girl]

94. I think this one is a fake. Was the "man" that O'keefe guy?

[YOHABLO]

103. Do you think the wife is sitting there going WTF .. who is this man I married.

[vsrazdem]

105. They should also check to see if either family owned that description of boat.

[john657]

110. There was no boat, the accuser has recanted his accusation.

Link to tweet

[lunasun]

108. OK that's from a guy so exactly how low will the GOP go ignoring this stuff and trying to vote ?

Can't claim the guy reporting this is a hysterical you know what

[geardaddy]

123. What did the tweet say?

It says it's unavailable now.

[ck4829]

125. Wow.