Deep down Kav's wife knows Ford was telling the truth

[realmirage]

I was just thinking about that. Her face yesterday looked pretty hopeless, as if she knew. If she really thought her husband was innocent, I don't think she'd be that sad.

Whether he's confirmed or not, I wonder what the consequences of this will be on his personal life? At this point he has no choice but to push on. Not doing so would probably start a domino effect on his career. But pushing on and getting the Supreme Court? I wonder if he could go back, would he think it was worth it to accept the nomination in the first place?

[realmirage]

5. There is the possibility that she is so lost in her privileged, insulated world

that she can't see reality. But I don't know, that face of hers looked pretty deflated

[Hekate]

15. Nothing like judging the wife of an abusive man without knowing anything about their private life

The look on her face and his performance yesterday gave some of us a just a peek behind the curtain. Add to that: their religion forbids divorce and is particularly oppressive to women and girls.

Beyond those slim observations, I am not judging this woman.

[grantcart]

19. This is DU we judge everyone, even Democratic leaders.

[Hekate]

25. One of our less-attractive traits.

[grantcart]

30. It cuts both ways. It is the reason we will never have a Trump. We also judge posts. And remove

Offensive posts, like the one in this sub thread.

It is both existential and ontological, what we do and who we are.

We are nicer than pseudo Democrats than real Democrats who we disagree 10% of the time like Manchin

[Power 2 the People]

21. +1

In order to marry a POS like him she would have to be a kindred spirit.

[Raine]

24. I doubt she's a "gold digger"

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she has ties to the Bush family, worked as an assistant to Poppy Bush before marrying Kav. If anyone's a "gold digger" it might be him along with using her ties to the Bush's to claw his way to the top. It's wrong to always assume the woman is the one who's a "gold digger"!

[dameatball]

2. I have no proof whatsoever, but I doubt she was surprised by this. One thing about alpha male drunks

is that they think they can hide who they are from even the most intimate acquaintances. I don't believe they can.

[realmirage]

6. I hadn't thought of that

That face may have been saying "now the whole world knows what I've known for a loooong time."

[dameatball]

8. Yep. She could rationalize it away at the country club or whatever, but not on national TV.

Again, this is just my opinion, but there is something not right there.

[madaboutharry]

3. I think your right.

I think that was the look of a woman who found out a lot of things about her husband.

[realmirage]

7. Or maybe, as someone else said,

it was the look of someone who's known this all along and is crushed that now everyone knows?

[Power 2 the People]

22. So true

[angstlessk]

4. It ain't even deep down, it's on her face!

She looks beaten down...either physically or emotionally!

[realmirage]

12. Makes you wonder

If she's a victim too? Could you imagine if she came out against him?

[unitedwethrive]

27. I've been wondering that since his display yesterday as well.

No matter what, he doesn't handle adversity well, and it is usually the family that takes the brunt of the anger.

[Hoyt]

9. She did have a strange look.

[dlk]

10. I Feel Sorry for Her

Women who marry men like Kavanaugh often come from backgrounds of abuse, whether they admit it or not. She likely looked past his red flags and was hoping they could create a nice family life together. Abused women often fool themselves into thinking that the right woman and enough love will heal these “wounded” men. Sadly, nothing could be further from the truth. Even worse, toxic men like Kavanaugh often drag their families down the tubes with them.

[realmirage]

11. I wonder if a guy with his background

with no obstacles really challenging him to change his ways could go from a total rapey dickhead to a normal family man...

If not then I'd say there's a good chance his wife is as you describe. Some people think rich families have a near perfect life, but many of them are insanely screwed up.

[R B Garr]

13. Even if she can't bring herself to believe the sexual attack, she knows

all about his drinking, and he is obviously in deep denial about his drinking. He thinks the drinking covers up or excuses his lies, but I'm sure she is all too aware of that, too.

[realmirage]

17. How many times did he say he liked beer?

Very strange thing to say in a situation like that. And for a guy so tightly wound, yeah I bet he likes beer

[moondust]

14. And his parents?

They were at the hearing. They probably know some stuff.

[gratuitous]

16. Unlike the vetting that Kavanaugh got for the Supreme Court nomination

I suspect Brett was very thorough in choosing his wife, making sure that she was just the sort of woman who would put up with a drunken rageaholic. Guys like that put women through a very rigorous and ongoing process to be sure they're just what they're looking for.

[MountCleaners]

18. She worked for Bush

She knows the rules for Republican women: put up with the bullshit, look the other way, keep up appearances, make your husband look good.

This is the GOP boys club culture that they live in, it's not our culture. Makes no sense to us, but I know people who live this way because I have people in my family in such a marriage. They're very religious - divorce is not an option.

[lindysalsagal]

20. Ford had no reason to do this: She is not part of politics, nor even a local person.

She could have remained in her west coast colleges, sequestered away from all of it. Hard to believe she'd make it up.

[Codeine]

23. As if she cares.

The money keeps flowing and that’s all that matters.

[blueinredohio]

26. She did look very sad. If she was smart now would be her chance.

[Liberty Belle]

28. I think so too. She was probably in denial, wanting to believe him

but when she heard Ford testify and realized she was hearing the ring of truth, it had to be deeply disillusioning to her to realize her husband tried to rape someone (and may actually have raped other women).

She has probably been verbally abused and emotionally beaten down by him for years; he's clearly a bully.

And in the hearing she was realizing that he's much worse than she knew.

She will probably rationalize staying with him for the sake of their young daughters, and a religion that doesn't allow divorce.

I know she was a republican operative herself, but doubt she bargained on this.

[Kablooie]

29. She probably knew it when she married him.

So they've worked it out somehow before all this.

[Cosmocat]

31. People are seeing what they want to see

That was someone who shared the visceral distain that her husband had toward the whole process. Lake him she felt he shouldn't have to explain his actions, and that they were victims of the left-wing Clinton conspiracy. She thinks just like he does, you can see as she nods, and that look everyone keeps thinking wanting to think is an abused woman, is her feeling sorry for him having to answer to what he did. She knew full well what he was when she got with him. People don't understand that a woman is just as capable of being a sick, twisted conservative too.

[Hortensis]

32. Sorry, but I suspect you're all wrong in some way, but most entirely.

Look, from one thing or another I've lived most of my adult life among conservatives.

First, he was about 39 when he married her, she I think about 30, and both had years of increasingly responsible and well paid jobs behind them. It's very unlikely that she's an abused woman. Most adolescents grow up and leave adolescent behaviors behind, and it's also unlikely that he's an alcoholic, even if he might drink too much occasionally.

Third, hard-core conservatives are drawn to each other, just as liberals are, and typically marry each other. She probably agrees strongly with most of his positions.

She probably also has no problem with what most of us see as bad character traits as she shares them to at least a good degree and is proud of him. I'd bet more than I could afford to lose that they've both been enjoying badmouthing and spreading scurrilous lies about the Clintons for decades.

As for deep down believing Ford? Maybe, but the kind of strong conservatives for whom lying to themselves is a way of being are skilled in not believing what they don't want to. They're also typically very loyal -- if she knows, maybe she doesn't care because she's on his side. Or some of both.

But in spite of this, they're still probably not as entirely bad as some imagine. One key to understanding strong conservatives is that typically the way they treat people inside their tribe is very different from outside and is often routinely kind and generous. When your main tribe is the people in your neighborhood and not-too-extended family (society you need), instead of 7 billion people, you can be very giving to others. As many say he is. He's described as being a quiet, patient coach to a little girls' sports team, for instance. The same guy who mightn't really care about immigrant children in cages, because they're outside the tribe and someone else's to care about, may win awards for his years of long hours of service to children in his community.

As for her expression, what would someone expect her to look like as his and her dream of great glory is crashing down on them both and she's watching him rage in pain and humiliation, which she shares? She's looked happy enough in happier moments.

[defacto7]

34. A thought provoking point of view. Thanks

[john657]

33. Nobody, and I mean NOBODY here knows if she knows anything or not,

and I find this conversation quite disturbing, I truly thought DU was better than this.

I hope to hell I'm wrong.