I am intrigued by Mark Judge's vacillating conscience.

[Joe Nation]

Dr. Blasey Ford testified that she caught Judge’s eye during the assault and thought that he might help her. She also testified that he vacillated between encouraging Kavanaugh and trying to stop Kavanaugh from what he was doing. It’s also interesting that the thing that finally freed Dr. Blasey Ford from the bedroom was Judge jumping on the bed and bouncing everyone onto the floor.

Judge obviously seemed conflicted in the moment and what other reason could there have been for him to jump on the bed with enough force to cause two other people to be knocked to the floor? I think that he wanted to maintain his buddy-buddy relationship with Kavanaugh while preventing an assault of this poor young girl. He may have found the only solution that satisfied both desires.

I think Kavanaugh was the ring leader and Judge the sidekick. There are plenty of young male relationships that mimic this exact dynamic. I think that Judge may have had a conscience early on and who knows what happened after that point. Judge may have gone along to get along the rest of their friendship.

If you look at Judge’s life trajectory, he went on to write about many terrible events that he participated in in an almost confessional sort of way that was obviously pretty thinly veiled. He self-medicated his conscience with alcohol because maybe he felt that he had done things that he felt guilty for doing. Today, he seems like a broken person whose life is floundering.

Now this is entirely speculation but certainly plausible. And, if I were to give Mark Judge advice, I’d say unload the burden of your sins and confess to everything you and Kavanaugh did and make things right. Healing can’t begin until you open yourself to your own past and begin to make restitution. Try and show as much courage as your victim showed this week after suffering for decades. You may have unintentionally or intentionally been the hero and Dr. Blasey Ford may not even know what you did for her.

[Eliot Rosewater]

1. He can just lie, only 3 people in the room. Scum

[Kablooie]

5. He has a lawyer.

So he would know that lying means jail.
He has a choice between risking prison and losing his friendship with Kavanaugh.
If they have mutual friends they would know the truth about Kavanagh and wouldn't blame him for correcting Kavanagh's lies to the FBI.

[Eliot Rosewater]

8. It only means jail if there is proof he is lying and only 3 in the room

think about it...kavanauugh will never tell the truth and if on the court can pardon judge even if something did happen, or rump would pardon him...

I am hoping he is 12 steps sober and realizes his sobriety relies on truth.

[irresistable]

27. pardon?

[Eliot Rosewater]

49. If he is indicted for lying to the FBI, if he is indicted by a state, different story

i am talking about if he lies, and is caught...he can be pardoned

[irresistable]

50. The third accuser, who supposedly has witnesses, might change things.

[getagrip_already]

42. what's interesting....

Is that he didn't submit his response under oath. His lawyer responded for him, and he didn't sign the statement provided. He couldn't be charged for lying under that set of circumstances. The staff never actually spoke to him apparently.

He did say he would cooperate with the fbi.

My guess is he will come clean. It's part of his recovery. He probably knows if he lies to cover it up, he will end up killing himself over it one of these days.

[Squinch]

2. I am really fucking sick and tired of people painting Kavanaugh's accomplice in a sexual assault

as the savior of the victim. It's disgusting.

He was in the locked room. He egged Kavanaugh on. He allowed Kavanaugh to paw at Ford and put his hand over her mouth to muffle her screams. He did not go to the authorities after she escaped. He later participated in train rapes with Kavanaugh.

This need to make him a hero is sick. It stems from a need to not acknowledge that the boys and men we walk past every day are capable of evil acts. If you learn nothing else from these weeks, please just fucking learn that many of them are not only capable but guilty of those acts.

The need to minimize this man's responsibility victimizes Ford all over again.

Just stop it.

[dalton99a]

4. +1

[Joe Nation]

9. Condemnation vs. Compassion

Condemnation feels good and it is now a staple of religion, politics, and the media (both left and right), but it changes nothing. Compassion, on the other hand, changes everything.

― Robin R. Meyers

[Squinch]

16. You think this shit feels good? You're going to sit there THIS WEEK and pontificate about how

we need to have compassion for rapists?

There are two possibilities here. Either you have no idea how evil your statement is, in which case you need to stop making cruelly ignorant statements and get a clue.

The other possibility is you are fully aware of how evil your statement is, in which case you are part of the culture that encourages and condones the abuse of half the population. I.e., that would mean you are evil yourself.

I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and just assume your assholish remark came from ignorance. In which case I say to you, check your ignorant privilege and don't lecture me about how I need to feel about rapists.

[Joe Nation]

19. Self-righteousness

Self-righteousness in retrospect is easy--also cheap

― Arthur Schlesinger, Jr.

[Squinch]

23. I was wrong to give you the benefit of the doubt. No question now about who and what you are.

[Iol59]

17. This guy is deep in alt right politics

I think a lot of his social media has been wiped out but there are accounts on social media that have been able to show who he was involved with.I would be curious to find out how close he and Kavanaugh have been through all these years. I ‘ve been following @JamesFourM and @LincolnsBible.Go take a look.

[Squinch]

18. I'm not on twitter but I don't doubt it for a second.

[suegeo]

34. Lincoln's bible is the best

He/she was encouraging some real journalist with a big platform to expose the nexus of GOP congressional staffers leaking info to wingnut p.r. firms and nazi websites like Breitbart and that donkey Tucker Carlon, and the fascist judicial activist network, or whatever their foo-king name is.

Mark Judge writes garbage for maggots. Someone could win prizes for explaining how these nazi storm troopers operate, is what Lincoln's bible sez.

[FakeNoose]

60. In order to write an expose of RWNJs like that

...somebody would have to go undercover and live with those assholes. That could be as dangerous as being a double agent in someplace like Afghanistan. If you get caught - you're dead. Hideous thoughts are running through my mind right now.

[Ms. Toad]

37. You and me both.

DU ought to be free of rape apologists. But this is at least the 4th thread suggesting the accomplice is some sort of unsung hero.

[Squinch]

38. Yes, and in response to my post, the author gave me a little

lecture on how we must have compassion for rapists. I think it's clear now who and what we are dealing with here.

[Ms. Toad]

52. Take a gander at his response to me -

if you had any doubts about where he stands.

[Squinch]

56. THe man instructing women on how we need to be compassionate to rapists is pulling a

Kavenaugh when he's disagreed with, indulging in an epic projection and screaming about the arrogance of others.

Uhhh... Yep. We get it now.

Assholes abound.

[George II]

40. He was also involved in luring Dr. Ford into the room.

[getagrip_already]

43. she wasn't lured - she was pushed/forced into the room.....

But he was involved. No doubt.

[vlyons]

3. I read somewhere that Judge is in a 12-step program

I hope so. That would mean he will be supported by his sponsor to tell the absolute truth.

[Joe Nation]

6. He could end up being the key to this entire investigation.

Certainly, part of AA is to atone for your past. Maybe Judge actually will. Maybe he has no memory at all of what he did.

[Eliot Rosewater]

10. AGreed, but he will be in fear for his life if he tells the truth. That is where we are now

with putin working side by side with all republicans etc

[getagrip_already]

44. depending on how deep his addiction was...

Continuing to cover it up could lead to suicide, or at least relapse.

That is why he wrote the book. He was urged to set the record straight.

Doesn't mean he will suddenly get a halo. Just means there will be a strong influence to tell the truth at this critical stage.

[janterry]

7. what does he have to gain by telling the truth

can't he be arrested?

I agree, he should. But he's on the line, legally - isn't he?

[Eliot Rosewater]

11. Yep, another reason he would lie.

Obviously we need a hUGE 6 month investigation into kavanaugh and his friends, should be multiple arrests and indictments.

[Joe Nation]

13. Only if Dr. Blasey Ford were to press charges is what I understand

I doubt that she would do it. She seems like a forgiving soul.

[BootinUp]

12. I'd say you draw some sound conclusions. Nt

[Joe Nation]

15. Thank you!

I'm just speculating. Who really knows?

[meadowlark5]

14. I guess it will all depend on who Judge is loyal to

Is he a Trump supporter? Does he still look at Kavanaugh fondly and wouldn't want to do anything to hurt him? Maybe Kavanaugh ditched him - moved on to bigger and better things and couldn't give a shit about his old friend. Didn't have time for an alcoholic with cancer when there were so many better influential friends to be had.

Hopefully, Judge will feel shit on by this entitled prep friend of his and tell the truth. But if he is a Trump supporter or still likes Kavanaugh, he will probably just lie and deny that he remembers anything about that particular day or any of the described behaviors witnesses have told.

[tblue37]

22. He is a right winger who writes for right wing publications:

snip

Judge’s other odd history includes writing controversial content for right-wing outlets such as the American Spectator, the Daily Caller, and GotNews, which is a site owned by the alt-right Holocaust denying troll Chuck Johnson.

In one such piece for the Daily Caller, Judge wrote about a thief steeling his bicycle and said the odds were “very high” that the perpetrator was black. In another article for PoliticalMavens.com, Judge asked, “You’re thinking it even if you don’t say it: Are gay people perverts?”

Additionally, Judge has dedicated a lot of his writing to discrediting rape allegations. Several writers on Twitter discovered this disturbing development.

snip

More at link:
https://www.mediaite.com/online/who-is-mark-judge-brett-kavanaughs-high-school-friend-and-alleged-witness/

[meadowlark5]

31. So, I'm not holding out much hope for him

Unless his brush with cancer has helped him grow a conscience. What kind of cancer was he trotting out as his excuse I wonder? Probably basal cell carcinoma. Not life threatening but still cancer.

[getagrip_already]

46. rapie rape face said leukemia.....

during testimony. but leukemia can describe a wide range of severities.

[DangerousRhythm]

62. Non-Hodgkin Lymphoma. He said it in his Youtube video. n/t

[suegeo]

47. I would need to see the medical records before I believe anything he claims

The guy produces "content" for our enemies, the GOP who hate us and their Putin goons. They are seasoned propagandists who would make Himmler envious. They are trying to paint Markie Mark as a cancer survivor, he is fragile, why put him thru this Yada yada. He is reformed pffftttt. He hates women, so Fook him and the horse he rode in on.

[suegeo]

20. Mark Judge is a right-wing flying monkey

https://www.mediaite.com/online/mark-judge-once-sought-babe-with-god-given-sex-appeal-and-curves-for-daily-caller-shoot/

He writes garbage propaganda for that huge a$$, Tucker Carlson. He hates women, will only spent $ on good beer. He went to an elite prep school where he bonded with other boys by picking on awkward vulnerable girls. Then laughing uproariously about it.

He has not repented, he is soaking in blood money and wing nut welfare. He made money by writing garbage for that donkey Tucker C.

If I bothered to look, I bet he wrote for the seig heilers at Breitbart G.W. Bannon. But I don't feel like another shower right now.

[Iol59]

24. Yes

My post above you just said it so much better than me!

[Squinch]

26. Yet the OP has come out of the woodwork to talk him up. Whatever can that mean about the OP?

Hmmmm...

[wcmagumba]

21. Probably some anonymous payoffs...

in MJ's future...or lucrative job offers, a house...but they find a way
it can't easily be traced...

[OnDoutside]

25. Could he be forced to take a polygraph ?

[Joe Nation]

28. I've heard that he can't even be forced to talk to the FBI

Because they don't have subpoena power in this case.

[OnDoutside]

30. That's not good then....

[Happyhippychick]

29. A very interesting thought.

I was curious as to judges thinking when he jumped into it.

[voteearlyvoteoften]

32. I agree on ringleader

At first I thought Judge was the ringleader. But I think he jumped on Kavanaugh in a playful way but with intent to disrupt the rape in progress. His alcoholism may have been due to guilt over what he did with Kavanaugh and others. Hope he tells the truth!

[unitedwethrive]

33. Good thoughts, but we can't expect any help from him.

He's part of the good ol' boy network. Period.

[Ms. Toad]

35. Not this crap, again.

Judge was a participant. Pure and simple. His "jumping on the bed and bouncing everyone onto the floor" was an attempt to join in the rape. Fortunately, he was too drunk to efectively carry it out. Kavanaugh was stumbling drunk - it would not take much to tumble a stumbling drunk, who is actively being fought by the person he was trying to restrain, on to the floor.

If he now feels remorseful for his behavior - great! But the first step in making amends is an honest assessment and acknowledgement of his behavior. His remourse, if it now exists, can be acknowledgd without recasting an attacker as a hero. Not only is ther no need, it is hurtful to survivors of gang rape, and attempted gang rape) to do so.

This is at least the 4th thread suggesting that Judge is some sort of unsung hero. DU ought to be a place that we can count on to be free of rape apologists.

[Joe Nation]

39. I had thought about that possiblity too.

But then I realized that these types have a fear of "gayness" and would find it too weird to do anything to a woman while being in proximity to another male. Even in the stories of "trains" or gang rapes of passed out women, these guys wait outside of the door and go into the room one-by-one.

I have not seen any other threads on this theory. It certainly seems like one plausible explanation in the absence of any actual evidence. Maybe the confluence of the same theory lends it a bit of credence?

[Ms. Toad]

45. Bullcrap.

You're obviously not very familar wtih gang rape. I am both a rape survivor, and someone who has counseled hundreds of other survivors over a period of a decade - including survivors of gang rape. A train outside the room is the exception, not the norm.

Educate yourself, then please delete this rape apologist crap. It has no place on DU - and it is incredibly hurtful to people who have been through it.

I have suspicions about why a handful of rape apology threads are popping up, but suffice it to say, the fact there are people apologizing for rape accomplices on DU does not lend credence to such theories.

[Ms. Toad]

51. So you are the actual victim in this situation?

Your speculations are an attempt to turn a rapist into a hero, and contradict the reports of the victim. Unless you are claiming you are the victim here - or were in that room.

[Squinch]

58. These things - the need to exonerate the accomplice, the demand that women have compassion for

sexual abusers, the abusive posts and bullying behavior toward those who disagree, the rampant projection - all of these behaviors we are seeing are telling. They are the same behaviors we saw from Kavenaugh and the republicans this week.

[Ms. Toad]

61. Yup n/t

[Joe Nation]

36. I seriously doubt Judge will come clean

I think that if there was any decency in Judge, it was probably when he was 17. After that point, he was no better than Kavanaugh or any other frat boy that engaged in demeaning and assaulting young women. He went on to become one of the boys but maybe, just maybe, he still has a twinge of his youthful guilt somewhere in his body. Again, I seriously doubt these types ever do a whole lot of self-reflection.

[Awsi Dooger]

57. Only if someone in his family persuades/threatens/intimidates him

Similar to Michael Cohen's father

[MaryMagdaline]

41. Don't be

It's bros before h*s, then and now. He hasn't changed a bit.

[CanonRay]

53. I'm not, he was hoping to skate by holing up without testifying or being interviewed

now he know he can't run or hide from the FBI and can't lie when he's interviewed. He's a coward like the rest of them, so he'll cave. He's probably worried about rape charges in Maryland.

[flying_wahini]

54. Judge will lie, lie and lie. He's a Falwell christian and a man with a sordid pass.

Writing half ass articles for InfoWars and such. Sorry, but I seriously doubt any new
dirt coming from him.

[rurallib]

55. I don't think he has a vacillating conscience, only a concern to save his own ass

My guess is that his conscience is just as deep as any Republican's.

Whoever has to take the fall to get him the easiest way out is all he cares about.

[JHan]

59. If he wished to atone for his sins, he would have come forward.

your analysis is speculative fiction at best.

Judge "obviously seemed" conflicted.. how do you even know this?

Based on absolutely no evidence you think he is a compassionate man, yet you ignore his actual written thoughts which say that women who dress sexy are looking for it?