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louis c

(8,652 posts)
Mon Oct 1, 2018, 01:09 PM Oct 2018

The lack of civility in American politics began when Republicans started using "Democrat Party"...

...instead of the Democratic Party. Just like any demeaning remark, it begins with refusing to call a person (or organization) by it's own chosen name. For instance, I prefer Louis to Louie. I am not offended by Louie if someone doesn't know, but once I tell them (or they ask) which I prefer, after that, one only uses Louie as an insult to me.

That's what Republicans have done since around 1992. We can really trace the birth of the heightened lack of civility and respect to about that time (link below).

As long as any Republican knowingly uses "Democrat Senators" instead of Democratic, or "Democrat Party" it should be taken as a deliberate insult and lack of respect.

Link;
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democrat_Party_(epithet)

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The lack of civility in American politics began when Republicans started using "Democrat Party"... (Original Post) louis c Oct 2018 OP
Is it OK to call it the Republic party, or would that at140 Oct 2018 #1
Repiglicans. lagomorph777 Oct 2018 #14
Rapepublicans CountAllVotes Oct 2018 #26
The repugnant goon party YessirAtsaFact Oct 2018 #29
As others have posted, there are lots of derogatory names for Republicans PJMcK Oct 2018 #34
I like your thinking as an adult ! at140 Oct 2018 #35
I'm going with "republican't" /nt sdfernando Oct 2018 #36
I prefer calling them the Retrumplican party maxrandb Oct 2018 #37
Correct! They seem to have given up principles and at140 Oct 2018 #38
The modern surge of right-wing assholery started with Reagan/Gingrich. unblock Oct 2018 #2
Publicans are idiots. TeamPooka Oct 2018 #3
It is piss poor English PatSeg Oct 2018 #4
Its usage conveniently highlights who the sub-literate idiots are. LanternWaste Oct 2018 #5
I don't know. I take issue with the underlying assumption. Squinch Oct 2018 #6
Go back to 1951 and the movie, "The Day the Earth Stood Still" sanatanadharma Oct 2018 #7
The practice of using the subject form instead of the adjectival rusty fender Oct 2018 #8
Did you perhaps mean to refer to Joe instead of Eugene McCarthy? maui902 Oct 2018 #20
thank you for correcting me! rusty fender Oct 2018 #23
Actually I'd say it began the day the Rush Limbaugh Show first aired. Initech Oct 2018 #9
I'm going to have to agree with you. llmart Oct 2018 #19
I agree. This was presaged by the repeal of The Fairness Doctrine in 1987 Va Lefty Oct 2018 #31
I saw John Kerry on one of those late night shows a week or so ago. yonder Oct 2018 #10
I've been screaming about this for years malaise Oct 2018 #11
There has always been a lack of civility in American politics. Caliman73 Oct 2018 #12
I usually interpret it as deliberate, not an accident of ignorance like "nucular". JustABozoOnThisBus Oct 2018 #13
That just burns my ears every time I hear it....... a kennedy Oct 2018 #15
"democrat" is not an adjective Cetacea Oct 2018 #16
I'd say it started with McCarthy DFW Oct 2018 #17
You make a very convincing point bobbieinok Oct 2018 #33
Lee Atwater GeorgeGist Oct 2018 #18
As I recall, a fat shock jock radio junkie with multiple drug charges ... 11 Bravo Oct 2018 #21
So in the 1970s (or earlier) when Democrats I grew up with were using the term Ms. Toad Oct 2018 #22
I was politically active since 1968 in the Democratic Party louis c Oct 2018 #24
The next part of the decline came with "both sides" ck4829 Oct 2018 #25
Early 90s....Rush Limbaugh and AM hate radio, Newt Gingrich and the Contract on America... Anon-C Oct 2018 #27
Wasn't that about the same time that the Republicans announced they would not cooperate with Obama? Frustratedlady Oct 2018 #28
No, it really gained focus with Gingrich SharonAnn Oct 2018 #39
Only person I ever saw challenging him on that was a foreign reporter California_Republic Oct 2018 #30
Strongly disagree--88 Willie Horton ad. More impt dogs, firehoses vs black kids in AL bobbieinok Oct 2018 #32

PJMcK

(22,037 posts)
34. As others have posted, there are lots of derogatory names for Republicans
Tue Oct 2, 2018, 11:50 AM
Oct 2018

However, I choose to stay out of the childish game of name calling.

In fact, in my dictionary, the word Liberal has only positive connotations. Contrastingly, the word Republican has only negative descriptions.

at140

(6,110 posts)
35. I like your thinking as an adult !
Tue Oct 2, 2018, 12:11 PM
Oct 2018

I wish there was less name calling on all sides.
Seems a bit juvenile. But then I am in my 70's.

At the end of day, derogatory names won't convert any independents. Talking about our compassionate & positive agenda could.

maxrandb

(15,330 posts)
37. I prefer calling them the Retrumplican party
Tue Oct 2, 2018, 01:51 PM
Oct 2018

They've hitched their wagon to this racist orange piece of amphibian shit, so they are all RETRUMPLICANS

It really just rolls off the tongue naturally, and I wish Dems would use it with the same rote way Retrumplicans say "Democrat Party"

at140

(6,110 posts)
38. Correct! They seem to have given up principles and
Tue Oct 2, 2018, 01:58 PM
Oct 2018

have joined the temple of orange doom. All because otherwise they would get primaried and lose their precious career!

PatSeg

(47,430 posts)
4. It is piss poor English
Mon Oct 1, 2018, 01:24 PM
Oct 2018

"Democrat" is a noun, not an adjective.

Yes, I agree, this started back with Newt Gingrich who encouraged republicans in congress not to be civil with Democrats.

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
5. Its usage conveniently highlights who the sub-literate idiots are.
Mon Oct 1, 2018, 01:33 PM
Oct 2018

While those justifying its usage highlights who the half-wits are.

And finally, those who use it out of mere petulance ("my idiocy triggered a snowflake! I'm such a clever idiot!" ) highlight who currently requires a code-red diaper change.




That said, I'll always point to "freedom fries" as the day the GOP jumped the shark from a political party to a well-dressed gaggle of simpletons (gentleman's bet a quarter-dozen snowflakes are already gnashing teeth as they rationalize its continued use).

Squinch

(50,949 posts)
6. I don't know. I take issue with the underlying assumption.
Mon Oct 1, 2018, 01:42 PM
Oct 2018

I don't see a lack of civility in politics. I see a lack of civility on the part of republicans, but Democrats pretty much behave themselves.

The hearings were a good example. Who was complaining and snarling and insulting the other party, and who eas simply trying to get some facts out of the hearing?

sanatanadharma

(3,706 posts)
7. Go back to 1951 and the movie, "The Day the Earth Stood Still"
Mon Oct 1, 2018, 01:43 PM
Oct 2018

Find the movie and locate the boarding house breakfast scene (some 20 minutes in, iirc)

This 1951 movie had dialog showing that the nation then had a sense of this tribal animosity.

The radio is on with news of the spaceman

person 1, "Why doesn't the government do something, that's what I'd like to know?"
person 2, "What can they do, they are just people like us?"
republican, "People my foot, They're democRATs"

 

rusty fender

(3,428 posts)
8. The practice of using the subject form instead of the adjectival
Mon Oct 1, 2018, 01:52 PM
Oct 2018

Last edited Mon Oct 1, 2018, 08:49 PM - Edit history (1)

form of the word “Democrat” actually started with Joe McCarthy. Such usage didn’t become widespread among Repukes until Gingrich began using it incessantly.

No link because I don’t know how to do that on my IPad

maui902

(108 posts)
20. Did you perhaps mean to refer to Joe instead of Eugene McCarthy?
Mon Oct 1, 2018, 05:11 PM
Oct 2018

The former being the Republican Senator who created "McCarthyism," and the latter being a Democratic Senator who ran for President in 1968? Perhaps not, but I'd be surprised if it was Eugene McCarthy who referred to his own party as the "Democrat" Party.

Initech

(100,076 posts)
9. Actually I'd say it began the day the Rush Limbaugh Show first aired.
Mon Oct 1, 2018, 01:59 PM
Oct 2018

That was pretty much the beginning of the downfall that led to republicans electing every unqualified kook they can find and why we're in the shit storm we're in now.

llmart

(15,539 posts)
19. I'm going to have to agree with you.
Mon Oct 1, 2018, 04:52 PM
Oct 2018

He was disgusting from the start, but the way he talked about the Clintons was over the top.

Big, fat, bloated, loud mouth deplorable.

yonder

(9,666 posts)
10. I saw John Kerry on one of those late night shows a week or so ago.
Mon Oct 1, 2018, 02:09 PM
Oct 2018

He probably didn't, but I was sure I heard him refer to the Democratic Party as the Democrat Party. A couple of times. The first time caught my ear, so I perked up and would swear he did it again.

Could be because of my less than ideal hearing these days. dunno

malaise

(268,998 posts)
11. I've been screaming about this for years
Mon Oct 1, 2018, 02:14 PM
Oct 2018

Every fucking time one of them says it, they MUST be corrected on spot and given the grammar lesson. They will stop when they realize that Democrats repeat Democratic Party over and over. I do to agree with anyone who says they do it to annoy Dems. No they do it because they think they can rename the party while dissing it. You must respect your own name. Fight back. It is a very big thing.

It is not Democrat Party you fucking ignorant morons, it is Democratic Party.
Get thee to the greatest page

Caliman73

(11,738 posts)
12. There has always been a lack of civility in American politics.
Mon Oct 1, 2018, 02:22 PM
Oct 2018

If we are talking about the current, media fueled name calling and extremism, then I would put its beginnings in the 1968 election and its viral outbreak in the 1990's with the hatred against Bill and Hillary Clinton.

However, American politics has always been difficult and "civility" isn't really what we should be striving for as much as an honest debate about which policies help the most Americans versus which help only a select few.

Here are some articles about "civility" in politics.

https://www.petaluma360.com/entertainment/8516122-181/the-historical-lack-of-civility

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/06/29/opinion/civility-protest-civil-rights.html

https://www.theringer.com/2018/6/27/17507212/lexicon-civility-buzzword

https://www.cnn.com/2018/07/01/politics/civility-in-the-civil-rights-era/index.html

JustABozoOnThisBus

(23,340 posts)
13. I usually interpret it as deliberate, not an accident of ignorance like "nucular".
Mon Oct 1, 2018, 02:26 PM
Oct 2018

If I care about the conversation, I correct them. If not, I hang up the phone, walk away, ignore, etc.

Cetacea

(7,367 posts)
16. "democrat" is not an adjective
Mon Oct 1, 2018, 02:59 PM
Oct 2018

But if you tell them that you are likely to lose them...

It's amazing how "on message" they are with this on various TV news shows. The RNC most likely sends out memos.

If it's meant to enrage, it's highly effective.

DFW

(54,379 posts)
17. I'd say it started with McCarthy
Mon Oct 1, 2018, 03:08 PM
Oct 2018

Republicans lapped it up like a cat with a dish of fresh milk until the public would put up with it no longer.

McCarthy was publicly shown to indeed have, at long last, no sense of decency. But other Republicans saw the benefits and advantages of having no sense of decency, and passed them on. The trick was getting their base to not only accept a lack of decency, but to demand it (Nixon). It went downhill from there. With Trump, they are entering terminal phase, where decency is something they abhor. The step from here to storm troopers with baseball bats at rallies for Democratic candidates is no longer a great leap, but a small step.

11 Bravo

(23,926 posts)
21. As I recall, a fat shock jock radio junkie with multiple drug charges ...
Mon Oct 1, 2018, 05:50 PM
Oct 2018

and a history of medically treated impotence issues which permitted him to engage in trips to notorious sex-tourism dens (specializing in the availability of young boys), was the one who initiated the whole "Democrat Party" bullshit.

Ms. Toad

(34,072 posts)
22. So in the 1970s (or earlier) when Democrats I grew up with were using the term
Mon Oct 1, 2018, 05:56 PM
Oct 2018

to refer to themselves?

Seriously, this is a very stupic hill to die on.

Are some Republicans using it to yank our chains? Sure - as long as using it keeps generating outrage disproportionate to the actual offense, of course they're going to have fun using it.

But is is also misused innocently by a lot of people - including a lot of Democrats who just aren't stellar grammarians.

 

louis c

(8,652 posts)
24. I was politically active since 1968 in the Democratic Party
Tue Oct 2, 2018, 08:05 AM
Oct 2018

and I don't remember a single person referring to our party as the "Democrat Party". It's an insult to us every time someone uses it. Some may do it because they don't know better, but Republicans use it as an insult.

ck4829

(35,076 posts)
25. The next part of the decline came with "both sides"
Tue Oct 2, 2018, 11:07 AM
Oct 2018

Sure the fringe radical right wants to throw Muslims and Jews into camps, but did you know there is a fringe radical left that... (deep breath) wants to make sure everyone has healthcare? Both sides are crazy.

Anon-C

(3,430 posts)
27. Early 90s....Rush Limbaugh and AM hate radio, Newt Gingrich and the Contract on America...
Tue Oct 2, 2018, 11:13 AM
Oct 2018

...Whitewater and the growth of the right wing conspiracy cottage industry.

Frustratedlady

(16,254 posts)
28. Wasn't that about the same time that the Republicans announced they would not cooperate with Obama?
Tue Oct 2, 2018, 11:15 AM
Oct 2018

That he would never be a 2-term president?

California_Republic

(1,826 posts)
30. Only person I ever saw challenging him on that was a foreign reporter
Tue Oct 2, 2018, 11:19 AM
Oct 2018

Only person I ever saw challenging him on that was a foreign reporter

President Bush played it off that he didn’t know that the Democratic Party cared about that with a simple little smile

bobbieinok

(12,858 posts)
32. Strongly disagree--88 Willie Horton ad. More impt dogs, firehoses vs black kids in AL
Tue Oct 2, 2018, 11:38 AM
Oct 2018

GOP might say LBJ mushroom cloud ad in 64

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