Julie Swetick interview with Kate Snow on now: MSNBC

[madaboutharry]

[OnDoutside]

1. Hmmm...not sure about this accuser to be honest.

[triron]

12. Then why this?

Link to tweet

[OnDoutside]

31. Then she should take one asap. Dr Ford had taken a polygraph before she was outed and it added

hugely to her credibility. From what we've seen of Avenatti, he's usually up front with evidence but this time he hasn't done so. Between that and watching Julie Swetnick's interview, I'm not sure yet. All that said, it is entirely suspicious that she is the ONLY one of the 3 who the WH stopped the FBI from interviewing. That certainly adds weight to the other side. I hope Avenatti drops a bombshell in time to turn that around.

[LanternWaste]

44. What specifically leads you to that sentiment?

[OnDoutside]

46. A few things...

1. We're used to Avenatti releasing some damaging evidence, but there really was nothing backing this accuser, up front.

2. I found Ms Swetnick's demeanour to be almost offhand, especially compared to Dr Ford...it didn't seem right.

3. The witnesses she provided, 1 is deceased, 1 says they don't known her and 2 they can't find.

On the plus side, she has security clearances.

[avebury]

2. She does claim that she and her mother

did go to the police within a short period after the incident.

[OnDoutside]

3. I'd certainly like the FBI to get involved in the search for that police report.

[DeminPennswoods]

32. Unfortunately both her mother and the cop

are now deceased. The MD police have said it would take weeks to locate any police report, but that's different from saying they have no report.

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

4. I don't think she's making it up, but the problem with the attack on her is that

she can't connect what happened to her with Kavanaugh in particular. She said he was there but she doesn't know whether he was one of the men who assaulted her. I don't think she's the best witness they have.

[babylonsister]

5. I don't think so either. nt

[jezebel321]

6. Making no judgement about the validity of her claims, but to me she does not come across credible.

Certainly not in the way Dr. Ford was.

[avebury]

7. If the can obtain a copy of the police

report that might impact how people view her story.

[wishstar]

9. Kate Snow said that police dept. said it could take at least a month for them to find report

and policemen who allegedly took report is deceased.

[FBaggins]

19. Avenatti should have requested the police report back in July

I'm not sure that he actually believes his client.

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

8. She is not as strong a witness as Dr. Ford, at all.

And her allegations relate to parties she and K attended, but in the interview she backed off on that claim in her statement that K and Judge were spiking the punch. She said only that K was often standing near the punchbowl but did not see him actually do it. It's just a bit too vague.

[FBaggins]

18. That "backing off" is also a substantial problem for her

Since her original statement was supposedly a declaration under penalty of perjury.

It's just a bit too vague.

It's also very difficult to imagine a college sophomore showing up for multiple high school parties where she witnesses gang rapes... only to keep going back to the parties... then to become a victim herself... yet continue to attend. I can't think of anyone that I've ever known who would do such a thing. On edit - she reportedly now claims that she never went back after being a victim herself (a slightly less unbelievable story) - BUT her original statement was that she attended "well over" ten parties from 1981-1983 and was herself attacked in 1982.

Then... of course... there's the NBC note that she gave them four names who could corroborate her story. One denies knowing her at all.. one is dead... the other two have not been reached. On edit - apparently, the police officer that she says she reported the attack to is also dead.

[john657]

23. Add her mother to the deceased that she allegedly told about it.

I'm starting to see a pattern here with Swetnick.

[FBaggins]

24. And the police officer she supposedly reported the crime to

Awfully convenient.

[john657]

25. Yes it is. n/t

[DeminPennswoods]

33. Thirty six years is a long time, it's not hard to believe

witnesses have died. She's 53 or so and we don't know how old the cop was who took the report.

[FBaggins]

36. Certainly... but that wasn't really the point

What does it mean when an attorney allows his client to name supporting witnesses that turn out not to back up the client's story?

It means that he didn't vet them himself - and I can think of only two reasons why that would occur. Either incompetence or he doesn't believe her and is actively avoiding knowing that for certain.

[DeminPennswoods]

37. The inference is that the witness names were given

because they are now dead and can't contradict anything. So far, we have two people who Sweatnik said she told who are now dead. We have 1 witness who says they can't recall or doesn't remember her. Two other witnesses were contacted by NBC and did not respond for unknown reasons. By my count, that is exactly 1 witness who denies knowing anything and we don't know if that's a truthful statement or not.

IMHO, you have jumped to an unwarranted conclusion.

[john657]

38. Actually, 3 witnesses who are now deceased,

the cop, her mother and 1 of the four witnesses she named.

Starting to see a pattern here?

Plus, during her interview, she backed off of some of her claims about Kav and Judge, her credibility, IMHO, has taken a big hit.

[FBaggins]

40. Inference obviously... but not implication

I didn't say that she gave out names that she knew were dead (only her mother clearly falls into that category). She gave NBC the names of four people that she said could back up her story (plus the police officer and her mother). Obviously her attorney did not contact at least two of the four to confirm. The question is why?

An attorney cannot knowingly allow his client to testify falsely (R.P.C. 3.3). But if he doesn't know that she's lying (he just doesn't believe her)?

[still_one]

28. Then she isn't helping the situation

[madaboutharry]

10. I think part of Julie Swentick's problem in convincing people of her credibility

is that she didn't go to prep school and she didn't go to Yale. She isn't of the same social and economic social standing as the other people in this story.

It shouldn't matter, but we all know that is how it is.

What should matter is whether she is telling the truth. If there is a police report that places her at one of these house parties that will go a long way to establish her credibility.

[nocoincidences]

11. Her self-confident demeanor is in strong contrast to the

modest way that Blasey Ford presented herself.

That means she will not be believable to Rethug politicians who expect women to be more like Dr. Ford.

Dr. Ford was very credible, in her own way, but this woman is too forthright for the men who are judging her.

[Gothmog]

13. You can watch by going to this link

Link to tweet

[MLAA]

14. I saw Avenetti tweet that she would tKe a lie detector test

He would not have said that if she hasn’t already passed one (In my opinion)

[madaboutharry]

15. I had that thought as well.

[Calista241]

30. Offering to take one, and actually taking one are totally different things.

They're both treating this as a marketing campaign (you do this, and then i'll do what I promised), and not as a real accusation in the traditions of the #metoo movement.

[Cetacea]

16. Impressive list

"Swetnick has held multiple security clearances in her career, including those with the Department of State, the Department of Justice (DOJ), the Department of Homeland Security and U.S. Customs and Border Protection, according to the New York Post.

She also claimed in a sworn affidavit sent to the Senate Judiciary Committee that she maintains “active clearances” with the Department of Treasury, the U.S. Mint, and the Internal Revenue Service..."


https://www.lifezette.com/2018/09/who-is-julie-swetnick-really-seven-things-you-must-know/

[marked50]

17. Beware of Black Ops.

Just a theory. Although her claims may be legitimate, based upon all the concerns about her testimony (as shown here in this OP responses) could it not be believable that she may be a false flag designed to destroy the credibility of other accusers and as a bonus Avenatti at the same time?

[madaboutharry]

20. Oy.

That would be a really bad development. But I think Avenatti is too good a lawyer for that to happen. If she can not establish her credibility, It doesn’t change what we already know. However, it would do great damage to Avenatti.

[marked50]

21. I would like to think that Avenatti is that good of a lawyer ( to not be fooled) but I also

remember that Dan Rather was caught up in what many believe was a "forged" document and he resigned in response. These tactics are not uncommonly used by the right wing- Karl Rove/Lee Atwater. They have no scruples or morality and that fact is something that is difficult for liberals to understand because those qualities are strong in the tool boxes of liberals. Agree that her testimony (credible or not) really doesn't change what we already know.


edited to clarify liberals distinctly have morals and scruples.

[triron]

27. No way, Jose.

[Charlotte Little]

22. Ya'll are being way too nice

While I have no doubt Swetnick was raped in college, she is not the least bit credible when it comes to Kavanaugh and Judge. I was hoping she was a Dr. Ford on steroids, but she's a limp balloon. I'm sorry if that is harsh, but it needs to be said.

Anyone hanging his/her hat on this doorknob needs to walk on out. She and Avenatti, in particular, are not helping. In fact, I'm finally agreeing with many on Twitter - this is harmful and a distraction.

Avenatti has got to go. He is not a Mueller. He's a phony. The sooner the left accepts that, the sooner they will move on to more important and credible issues we're facing. Avenatti has now become equal to Louis Mensch and her ilk as far as I'm concerned. Very disappointing, might I add.

[madaboutharry]

26. I'm getting so sick of it all at this point.

It is wearing the whole country down.

[FBaggins]

29. Way beyond the pale to conflate Avenatti with Mensch

but he certainly isn't helping Ford at this point.

My personal favorite was when he tried to pump up his client's credibility by pointing out all the dozens of women who had come forward against Kavanaugh who he refused to represent because they weren't credible.

[DeminPennswoods]

34. Her sworn statement is very carefully worded

She never directly accuses Kavanaugh or Judge of assaulting her or anyone else. She merely places them at the scene with the opportunity and drunken comportment to commit sexual assault. Finding any police report would bolster her case of being a victim.

I think her most useful statements are of Kavanaugh's behavior that buttress the other claims of him being obnoxious and sexually aggressive when drunk.

I do think that whatever happened at these house parties, happened away from the main party in more isolated places like upstairs or back bedrooms where inebriated party-goers weren't necessarily going to pay that much attention to others standing around outside a door or ask what was happening.

Avenatti has said that some facts support her story and some don't. She said that she went to Avenatti because a law school classmate of his that she knows recommended him. I think he knows this isn't a slam dunk case because he's not all over the media with it, but he's doing his best to represent her interests.

[FBaggins]

35. That's not quite true

She said that she saw them spike the punch with grain alcohol and/or drugs... and that those were efforts to cause girls to be drunk/disoriented "so they could be gang raped"... and that she saw him "target" girls to be raped.

That's not nearly "carefully" worded enough to avoid conflict with what she now says.

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

41. In her interview she said she often saw them near the punch bowl at these parties but

didn't see them actually putting anything in the punch. She's probably telling the truth but as to some points her statements are too vague to do much with.

[WillowTree]

39. Here's an interesting question I heard someone ask last night.

She claims to have been present at several, maybe up to 10 of these "parties" where guys were drugging girls and then lining up to take their turns in a gang rape and ultimately she wound up being the subject of same. Think about that for a minute.

Why on Earth did she keep going to these "parties" if she knew that was going on?

I've not been comfortable with her story from the beginning. I understand that people have different responses to things that happen and not everyone would react the way that I would (and did) (and no, it wasn't gang rape in my case, for the record), but I have a lot of trouble believing that as many as 10 young women were systematically and routinely drugged and gang raped at parties and none of them went to the police or told their parents or were sufficiently traumatized at the time that friends and/or family noticed a change in demeanor or behavior and took some action to get to the bottom of it.

I can't and won't say that I don't think that something happened to her somewhere some time, but I'm just not buying her Kavanaugh story. It just doesn't add up for me.

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

42. I also wondered about her statement that she never drank from the punch bowl

because she knew it was spiked, but then at one party she ended up drugged anyhow, and was then raped by multiple men. If she was intentionally avoiding the punch, how was she drugged? It's certainly possible that something (Qaaludes?) could have been dropped into her glass but I wish that question had been asked. Her account might be stronger if she had reason to believe someone had spiked her drink with the intention of targeting her. I do believe something probably happened to her but I wish she had more specific information.

[WillowTree]

43. And again, by her own story.......

.......she supposedly knew all of this was going on and told no one but continued to attend these dreadful gatherings. It just doesn't smell right.

[SharonAnn]

45. No. She said that she observed the guys hanging around the hallway, but didn't know why.

Until it happened to her.

[WillowTree]

47. And yet, she knew someone was spiking the punch to get girls drunk...

....and that's why she wouldn't take beverages in the red cups from the guys. What did she think the motive was for getting the girls drunk? And was she so lacking in curiosity that she never asked anyone what was up with the guys, who were trying to get girls drunk surreptitiously and then always hanging around the hallways? OK. I guess.

Look, you're more than free to believe what sounds believable to you and I'm free to question what sounds questionable to me. It all works out well that way.