TPM Marshall "How Much Lying is OK for a Justice?"

[NRaleighLiberal]

https://talkingpointsmemo.com/edblog/how-much-lying-is-okay-for-a-justice

By Josh Marshall
October 1, 2018 3:38 pm
I was just reading an email from a longtime reader. He makes a simple point. As the debate is currently structured, if the FBI cannot turn up significant evidence to back up one of the abuse or assault claims against Kavanaugh, he gets confirmed. The copious evidence of deception and outright lies does not appear to be part of the equation right now.

This is, to put it mildly, very unfortunate.

There really shouldn’t be any level of lying that is okay for a Supreme Court Justice, certainly not as part of the confirmation process itself. But even if you set aside whether he’s telling the truth about Blasey Ford and Ramirez, Kavanaugh has clearly lied about his drinking as a young man. (President Trump himself seemed to unintentionally concede that point this morning when he said it was clear Kavanaugh had a problem with alchohol as a young man – something that Kavanaugh clearly did not concede.) He’s also clearly lied about various aspects about his yearbook and other behaviors, issues which really aren’t relevant in themselves other than Kavanaugh’s willingness to lie about them. Nor did it even begin with the claims of sexual assault and abuse. He just as clearly lied – and has repeatedly going back several years – about his role in and connection to the Manny Miranda email hacking scandal.



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We are really in a race to the bottom, catalyzed by trump and the trumpettes.

[uponit7771]

1. K&R, KavaNOPE lies when the truth serves him better

[ret5hd]

2. Reminds me of a really old Onion headline:

Child Abuse: How Much Is Too Much?

[dalton99a]

4. That was a good one

Today:

Nation Urged To Be Extra Sensitive To Men Reliving Trauma Of Not Getting Something

WASHINGTON—Admonishing everyone who knows, works with, or is related to a man to consider the feelings of men for whom the Kavanaugh hearing may have dredged up painful denial-related memories, experts urged the U.S. populace Monday to be extra sensitive to those men who are currently being forced to relive the trauma of wanting a thing but not automatically getting that thing. “It’s certainly not easy to watch Brett Kavanaugh live out this nightmare on the national stage, and our hearts go out to all men who have ever experienced something similar—if you know a man who has ever been denied something or who even feels as if they have been denied something, be sure to make time to check in with them and let them know that you support them,” said specialist Robert Kusinski of the Harvard Center for Masculine Trauma, explaining the importance of excessive empathy in understanding the overarching isolation, shame, and anger felt by adult males who have never even briefly been denied something they wanted upon hearing any version of the word “no.” “Please make sure that you’re mindful of your tone and be kind. Trump-era men have been asked, sometimes even more than once, to relive the traumatic experience of not automatically getting something they desire. The shock of this new experience, on top of not being given something they want, takes an enormous toll on a man. Even the 93 percent of men who eventually do in fact receive the thing they wanted often find themselves experiencing latent feelings of rejection and humiliation, memories of which can return in full force if triggered by high-visibility public events such as poor Mr. Kavanaugh’s ordeal. It’s crucial for non-men to remember that men are grieving right now, and they need you to be there for them.” Kusinski further stressed that, when comforting a man who has experienced this trauma, one should also make sure to apologize sincerely and profusely for any role they may have played in the victim previously not receiving something they wanted.

[Pantagruel]

3. How many lies under oath does BK get?

Not only did BK lie under oath about the yearbook terms and his drinking to excess problem , he previously lied under
oath :

@SenatorLeahy emails were stolen by an @OrrinHatch staff member and given to #Kavanaugh .

Boofer Brett then lied and lied about this.

That alone disqualifies him.#KavaNOPE

Throw in his lie about the legal drinking age of his youth and clear patterns of deception emerge in addition to a trail of felonies.

Just out:

Although Kavanaugh testified under oath that he first learned of the 2nd allegation of sexual assault (Ramirez) against him after the New Yorker story ran, texts with classmates suggest he was not being truthful.

[Pantagruel]

5. Now make it happen

WASHINGTON – GOP Sen. Jeff Flake and Democratic Sen. Chris Coons are in agreement: If FBI investigators find that Brett Kavanaugh lied while testifying before senators last week, his Supreme Court nomination is done.

"If Brett Kavanaugh is shown to have lied to the committee, nomination's over?" Scott Pelley of "60 Minutes" asked the two senators during an interview that aired Sunday night.

"Oh, yes," Flake, an Arizona Republican, replied.


"I would think so," Coons, a Delaware Democrat, added.

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6. I saw this

doesn't seem like much gray area here.