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Bfd

(1,406 posts)
Tue Oct 9, 2018, 05:21 PM Oct 2018

Ted Cruz Declines the CNN Debate ..😘 . BETO GETS THE WHOLE HOUR TO HIMSELF!!!

TED CRUZ DECLINES, SO CHALLENGER BETO O’ROURKE GETS AN HOUR ON NATIONAL TV BY HIMSELF

Author: Anna M. Tinsley, Star Telegram
Published: 10/09/18

CNN is shining a light on three of the “most consequential races” in 2018 — including the Texas bid for U.S. Senate — through debates or town halls in the coming weeks.

But Texans won’t get to see incumbent Republican U.S. Sen. Ted Cruz and Democratic challenger U.S. Rep. Beto O’Rourke of El Paso face off in this series.


The Cruz campaign did not immediately respond Tuesday afternoon to a request on why the senator will not participate.

The solo town hall will air at 9 a.m. Oct. 18 and be televised from the McAllen Performing Arts Center.

Cruz and O’Rourke, who did participate in a Sept. 21 debate at SMU, are expected to square off at least one more time in an Oct. 16 debate in San Antonio.


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Ted Cruz Declines the CNN Debate ..😘 . BETO GETS THE WHOLE HOUR TO HIMSELF!!! (Original Post) Bfd Oct 2018 OP
I understand Cruz might be concerned... nycbos Oct 2018 #1
Maybe Cruz didn't understand that CNN will carry the debate with or without Ted. Bfd Oct 2018 #2
I only watched part of one debate but Beto would not let Cruz get away with trowing out lies. And Maraya1969 Oct 2018 #3
he earned his nickname of Lyin' Ted NewJeffCT Oct 2018 #46
Unfortunately, recent polling hasn't made me very optimistic. BlueStater Oct 2018 #5
Probably nycbos Oct 2018 #6
Not good. 😣 Catherine Vincent Oct 2018 #14
Texas Republicans are mostly rabid about Democrats since we're all evil. Lonestarblue Oct 2018 #20
I grew up in Texas OriginalGeek Oct 2018 #43
Fortunately I live in a blue city. Lonestarblue Oct 2018 #48
12? I call BS vercetti2021 Oct 2018 #21
Supposedly, Beto voters are underpolled - which is hopeful. He is really hitting the Laura PourMeADrink Oct 2018 #40
RCP average has Cruz up by 6. WillowTree Oct 2018 #49
Fivethirtyeight polling average has Beto down 4 points. MarvinGardens Oct 2018 #22
I'm more interested in the polls after this scheduled hour when Cruz isn't there eleny Oct 2018 #38
Cruz is a joke. Hope Beto wins. Kajun Gal Oct 2018 #27
Great! Fatemah2774 Oct 2018 #4
Woohoo! DesertRat Oct 2018 #7
In what way could a whole hour of Beto be good for Cruz? thx in advance. I'm optimistic about BETO uponit7771 Oct 2018 #8
Coward! Sophiegirl Oct 2018 #9
Beto is putting up a hell of a fight. GOTV is crucial to his having a chance DFW Oct 2018 #10
I wasn't going to watch the debate because EW Ted Cruz catrose Oct 2018 #11
9 am? cannabis_flower Oct 2018 #12
He's ascared - look how he handles crap from Trump rurallib Oct 2018 #13
I think Willie Nelson and Taylor Swift shoud crash the broadcast and the three of them should jam. zonkers Oct 2018 #15
And this talented musician/lyracist OhNo-Really Oct 2018 #18
That is fantastic. Dave Starsky Oct 2018 #35
Ted had more important things to do. lindysalsagal Oct 2018 #16
Now hear this - the duty chicken costume report to texas! getagrip_already Oct 2018 #17
Unfortunately, this is kind of like LBJ refusing to debate Barry Goldwater AdamGG Oct 2018 #19
I heard this earlier, a VERY stupid move by Cruz! That's nine days away, but I hope.... George II Oct 2018 #23
I hate him, but it's not a stupid move AdamGG Oct 2018 #29
Chickenshit cruz. All the Better to hear just from Beto! Cha Oct 2018 #24
'Texas tough' Ted dropped his real name; Rafael. keithbvadu2 Oct 2018 #25
thanks for posting this - it is FANTASTIC ! MoJoe showed it and Joe loved it !! Laura PourMeADrink Oct 2018 #41
YUMMY!! I hope Willies in the audience and they jam at the end!!!! samnsara Oct 2018 #26
HRC's later than Kerry's. Remember back to Kerry, under Bushco. Skruffy Oct 2018 #28
Beto Should Have Dressed Someone Up In A Chicken Suit And Debated Him ChoppinBroccoli Oct 2018 #30
BETO should put an empty chair in Raphael's place Bfd Oct 2018 #31
Raphael made a big mistake. An hour of free airtime for Beto. sarcasmo Oct 2018 #32
Is it just me, or is this incredible news? Cruz backs away from a fight? BeckyDem Oct 2018 #33
Beto O'Rourke's Unlikely Allies: WHITE EVANGELICAL WOMEN! Hortensis Oct 2018 #34
Explains why Ted can't be seen next to BETO. Nobody really likes Ted. Bfd Oct 2018 #36
:) Does Cruz fear exposing young evangelical women to Beto? Hortensis Oct 2018 #37
I bet even MORE will tune in knowing they won't have to see Ted. Bfd Oct 2018 #42
Hmm. More Democrats and left-leaning indies, very possibly. Hortensis Oct 2018 #44
Same here. I honestly could not watch the debate if Cruz was there Bfd Oct 2018 #45
Same here. I record almost everything these days, including so Hortensis Oct 2018 #47
This is the football equivalent of taking a knee when you have the lead late inwiththenew Oct 2018 #39

nycbos

(6,034 posts)
1. I understand Cruz might be concerned...
Tue Oct 9, 2018, 05:25 PM
Oct 2018

... but why would you give your opponent and hour of free air time to himself.

 

Bfd

(1,406 posts)
2. Maybe Cruz didn't understand that CNN will carry the debate with or without Ted.
Tue Oct 9, 2018, 05:32 PM
Oct 2018

Maybe Ted's super stealth-like strategy is to show up at the last minute, thus throwing BETO off his game.

Yup I bet that's it



Maraya1969

(22,480 posts)
3. I only watched part of one debate but Beto would not let Cruz get away with trowing out lies. And
Tue Oct 9, 2018, 05:32 PM
Oct 2018

apparently that is what Cruz does best and if he can't do it he doesn't want to play.

He, Cruz, is really despicable

BlueStater

(7,596 posts)
5. Unfortunately, recent polling hasn't made me very optimistic.
Tue Oct 9, 2018, 05:36 PM
Oct 2018

Cruz has a 12% point lead, according to the NYT.

O'Rourke is a great candidate and Cruz is a wretched one, but it seems even that isn't enough to overcome the asinine anti-Democratic sentiment these red states have. I'm convinced they would vote for Hitler's reanimated corpse if he had an "R" next to his name.

nycbos

(6,034 posts)
6. Probably
Tue Oct 9, 2018, 05:39 PM
Oct 2018

I am not very optimistic either.

I never brought the hype that the race was competitive. Forcing Republicans to spend money in Texas was an accompaniment thought.

Lonestarblue

(9,988 posts)
20. Texas Republicans are mostly rabid about Democrats since we're all evil.
Tue Oct 9, 2018, 06:49 PM
Oct 2018

The conservative Texas Republicans would vote for a dog before they would vote for a Democrat. Local polls have shown a much tighter race, with Beto somewhere from 2 to 6 points behind Cruz. That said, Beto appeals to younger voters who may not be polled as often, and Cruz has a high unfavorability rating in the state. As usual, the task is to get our side to go vote.

OriginalGeek

(12,132 posts)
43. I grew up in Texas
Wed Oct 10, 2018, 01:07 PM
Oct 2018

and I graduated from a very conservative (fundamentalist baptist) christian high school in 1981.

I can tell you I was absolutely stunned to see on facebook where 2 of my classmates were openly supporting Beto. They were catching some heat from others but standing their ground - so to speak - very well.

I know 2 ain't much but it's 2 more than I ever expected. I know these folks are still deeply religious but they are seeing things in their religion (the part governed by right-wing extremists) that don't sit well with them and they are pushing back. I sent them love and encouragement for whatever that is worth to them. At least they know they aren't alone among graduates of our school.

Lonestarblue

(9,988 posts)
48. Fortunately I live in a blue city.
Wed Oct 10, 2018, 01:46 PM
Oct 2018

I follow the discussions going on in the statehouse where last year the big debate for weeks on end was about a bathroom bill. For years, I attended state Board of Education meetings as part of my work. Believe it or not, the current board is a bit less radical, but it was hard to believe some of the absolute garbage coming from the rabid Republicans on the board when I attended meetings. They were all for getting rid of evolution and teaching creationism and pushing any curriculum that glorified only the deeds of white males. History is still whitewashed in this state. This is the state where a publisher of a history textbook chose to print that Africans immigrated here to work, until a parent noted that the lesson was describing slavery without using the term and raised a fuss. In spite of the fact that Texas belonged to Mexico at some point, they refused to consider that Mexican-American history might have some place in the curriculum until recent years. In other words, it’s still a mess and will remain so in the foreseeable future!

 

Laura PourMeADrink

(42,770 posts)
40. Supposedly, Beto voters are underpolled - which is hopeful. He is really hitting the
Wed Oct 10, 2018, 12:32 PM
Oct 2018

college kids too. We went to see him at a huge park in downtown Austin and there were thousands of young voters - all with Beto shirts on. I think to that since he has visited all the counties he may pick up some hidden red voters that have never before existed. He's so non-confrontational.

eleny

(46,166 posts)
38. I'm more interested in the polls after this scheduled hour when Cruz isn't there
Wed Oct 10, 2018, 12:04 PM
Oct 2018

O'Rourke will display his great qualities and then we'll see if that moves the needle. It's a significant event.

uponit7771

(90,336 posts)
8. In what way could a whole hour of Beto be good for Cruz? thx in advance. I'm optimistic about BETO
Tue Oct 9, 2018, 06:08 PM
Oct 2018

after today's Stephanie Ruhle's show seeing dems are not out in force on most college compasses and Beto is in Texas.

rurallib

(62,414 posts)
13. He's ascared - look how he handles crap from Trump
Tue Oct 9, 2018, 06:21 PM
Oct 2018

One of them bullies that can dish it out but can't take it - especially when "it" is the truth!

 

zonkers

(5,865 posts)
15. I think Willie Nelson and Taylor Swift shoud crash the broadcast and the three of them should jam.
Tue Oct 9, 2018, 06:23 PM
Oct 2018

IMO on edit -- it would be "game over"!!!!

lindysalsagal

(20,682 posts)
16. Ted had more important things to do.
Tue Oct 9, 2018, 06:23 PM
Oct 2018

A brain transplant, a heart installation, prosthetic ears, personal history re-write....

getagrip_already

(14,750 posts)
17. Now hear this - the duty chicken costume report to texas!
Tue Oct 9, 2018, 06:24 PM
Oct 2018

He needs a lot of chicken costumes clucking anywhere he goes. Between caving to trump, and ducking debates, his lack of spine needs to be called out.......

AdamGG

(1,291 posts)
19. Unfortunately, this is kind of like LBJ refusing to debate Barry Goldwater
Tue Oct 9, 2018, 06:36 PM
Oct 2018

Cruz is making this choice because he feels that he has more to lose than gain at this point by their appearing on the stage together again as equals. Cruz is a heinous douchebag, bug a shrewd heinous douchebag.

George II

(67,782 posts)
23. I heard this earlier, a VERY stupid move by Cruz! That's nine days away, but I hope....
Tue Oct 9, 2018, 07:55 PM
Oct 2018

...if he changes his mind (not out of the realm of possibility) CNN tells him to stuff it, blaming "logistics, scheduling, etc."

AdamGG

(1,291 posts)
29. I hate him, but it's not a stupid move
Tue Oct 9, 2018, 10:27 PM
Oct 2018

If you're polling ahead, conventional wisdom would be not to debate and possibly change that dynamic. It's why there were no Presidential debates after Kennedy/Nixon for 16 years until Ford/Carter in 1976.

Cha

(297,206 posts)
24. Chickenshit cruz. All the Better to hear just from Beto!
Tue Oct 9, 2018, 07:57 PM
Oct 2018

I guess ol ted didn't like what happened in their first debate.

Thanks, Bfd!

 

Skruffy

(48 posts)
28. HRC's later than Kerry's. Remember back to Kerry, under Bushco.
Tue Oct 9, 2018, 09:46 PM
Oct 2018

The heavy suppression of voters. But, still, it felt like Kerry had the race. Machines had been installed, the corporations run by strong conservative advocates and contributors. Machines were flipping votes in Texas and other states Vote Kerry and would flip to Bush. Four corrections later, and the person could not get Kerry. I remember back to that night, on election and about 5-6 eastern time, something happened. Bush and the family were in some family room, and little girls in fru fru dresses. But, when they cut back to the election, after this break with Bush family, everything had changed in the race. The whole feel, the energy had shifted. Was like, Rove flipped the switch or something.

Clinton's was different, and later.

Cruz not going to any more debates tells me he is feeling comfortable again, and I haven't heard any more on the desperate visit from Trump, to Texas to campaign for a desperate Cruz.

Do they really believe their own propaganda that Kav is a win for them? Or, did they flip the switch even before the election begins, this time. You know. With what FBI did? We have literally lost the threat of the FBI for criminal behavior, with these people.

Or are they that stupid to believe, Kav is their win and arrogantly puff out their chests, walking confident. They do like to create non reality. They have done it over and over these last two years.

ChoppinBroccoli

(3,784 posts)
30. Beto Should Have Dressed Someone Up In A Chicken Suit And Debated Him
Tue Oct 9, 2018, 11:27 PM
Oct 2018

It would have been a stunt similar to Clint Eastwood's "empty chair" stunt, but this one would have actually been funny and/or powerful. Maybe even play the "Brave Sir Robin ran away" clip from Monty Python and the Holy Grail. At the very least, I hope he made some reference to, "'Texas Tough' Ted Cruz is scared to come here and face you, but I'm not."

BeckyDem

(8,361 posts)
33. Is it just me, or is this incredible news? Cruz backs away from a fight?
Wed Oct 10, 2018, 09:56 AM
Oct 2018

He is a lot of things but he fights. He must be really worried. I can't wait to see him gone.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
34. Beto O'Rourke's Unlikely Allies: WHITE EVANGELICAL WOMEN!
Wed Oct 10, 2018, 10:23 AM
Oct 2018
NYT: DALLAS — After church on a recent Sunday, Emily Mooney smiled as she told her girlfriends about her public act of rebellion. She had slapped a “Beto for Senate’’ sticker on her S.U.V. and driven it to her family’s evangelical church. But then, across the parking lot, deep in conservative, Bible-belt Texas, she spotted a sign of support: the same exact sticker endorsing Beto O’Rourke, the Democrat who is challenging Senator Ted Cruz. “I was like, who is it?” she exclaimed. “Who in this church is doing this?”

Listening to Ms. Mooney’s story, the four other evangelical moms standing around a kitchen island began to buzz with excitement. All of them go to similarly conservative churches in Dallas. All are longtime Republican voters, solely because they oppose abortion rights. Only one broke ranks to vote for Hillary Clinton in 2016. But this November, they have all decided to vote for Mr. O’Rourke, the Democratic upstart who is on the front line of trying to upend politics in deep-red Texas.

In the Senate race, one of the most unexpectedly tight in the nation, any small shift among evangelical voters — long a stable base for Republicans — could be a significant loss for Mr. Cruz, who, like President Trump, has made white evangelicals the bulwark of his support.

To Democrats nationwide, who have largely written off white evangelical voters, it also sends a signal — not just for the midterms but also for the 2020 presidential campaign — that there are female, religious voters who are open to some of their party’s candidates.

The women, who are all in their 30s, described Mr. O’Rourke as providing a stark moral contrast to Mr. Trump, whose policies and behavior they see as fundamentally anti-Christian, especially separating immigrant children from their parents at the border, banning many Muslim refugees and disrespecting women.

“I care as much about babies at the border as I do about babies in the womb,” said Tess Clarke, one of Ms. Mooney’s friends, confessing that she was “mortified” at how she used to vote, because she had only considered abortion policy. “We’ve been asleep. Now, we’ve woke up.”

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/10/09/us/politics/texas-beto-orourke-evangelicals-women.html?fallback=0&recId=1BO4hPMjBugEp6KFjy8PdlonkjE&locked=0&geoContinent=NA&geoRegion=GA&recAlloc=contextual-bandit-home-geo&geoCountry=US&blockId=midterm-elections&imp_id=908184402&action=click&module=Election%202018&pgtype=Homepage

 

Bfd

(1,406 posts)
36. Explains why Ted can't be seen next to BETO. Nobody really likes Ted.
Wed Oct 10, 2018, 10:44 AM
Oct 2018

When you lose the Evangelical women's vote, what's left?

This is beautiful
Thaks for your post!

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
37. :) Does Cruz fear exposing young evangelical women to Beto?
Wed Oct 10, 2018, 11:58 AM
Oct 2018

It does make one wonder. After all, a debate would only be avoided if it threatened to cost more votes than gained.

Go Beto!

 

Bfd

(1,406 posts)
42. I bet even MORE will tune in knowing they won't have to see Ted.
Wed Oct 10, 2018, 12:56 PM
Oct 2018

We'll have to check the viewer totals after BETO's free campaign TV spot from CNN.

That was really nice of them.


Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
44. Hmm. More Democrats and left-leaning indies, very possibly.
Wed Oct 10, 2018, 01:08 PM
Oct 2018

I know it'd definitely work that way for me. Beto makes me feel positive and reminds me of why I'm a Democrat.

For me, Cruz-revulsion is a combo of what he is himself and what his voters have become. I have a strong stomach but OD'd anyway a long ago.

 

Bfd

(1,406 posts)
45. Same here. I honestly could not watch the debate if Cruz was there
Wed Oct 10, 2018, 01:25 PM
Oct 2018

That's the degree of revulsion I have for him.
I know what BETO stands for & can read about him anytime, so its a small sacrifice to avoid Ted Cruz.

But an hour of BETO by himself , on TV, I will definately be watching this one. Will record it for replay too



Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
47. Same here. I record almost everything these days, including so
Wed Oct 10, 2018, 01:36 PM
Oct 2018

I can just skip past those I know are appearing just to push lies.

inwiththenew

(972 posts)
39. This is the football equivalent of taking a knee when you have the lead late
Wed Oct 10, 2018, 12:26 PM
Oct 2018

Cruz campaign probably thinks that they have enough of a lead that there is more risk in debating than in not showing up. We'll see though.

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