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What's going on with the polls in Beto-Cruz race? Wasn't it close? Now Beto just 20% chance of win?! (Original Post) bobbieinok Oct 2018 OP
Republicans got a bump from republican voters over Kavanaugh JI7 Oct 2018 #1
I'd assume Kavanaugh manor321 Oct 2018 #2
too many democrats stay home instead of voting. they are ok with things as is nt msongs Oct 2018 #3
The governors race has Abbott up by 20. nycbos Oct 2018 #4
Yep there is not going to be enough vote splitters to make up for this inwiththenew Oct 2018 #11
I would not count Beto out . . . . Iliyah Oct 2018 #5
Don't believe the bullshit polls vercetti2021 Oct 2018 #6
TY for that!!! bluestarone Oct 2018 #8
Thank you for your hard work Lady_Chat Oct 2018 #15
So important ... thanks for the time and effort! JudyM Oct 2018 #29
Beto will swamp Cruz with ads the rest of the way Jersey Devil Oct 2018 #7
Read the fine print. Igel Oct 2018 #9
+1, the LV vs RV models don't account for demo changes in TX IE Clinton winning Houston subs by 160k uponit7771 Oct 2018 #13
How the fuck can you not be sure whether you like Ted Cruz or not? BlueStater Oct 2018 #17
The race was always "close by Texas standards" Azathoth Oct 2018 #10
TX was always going to be a tough slough. DemocratSinceBirth Oct 2018 #12
still following 538? We have a 100% chance of loosing if Dems in Texas don't get out way more than JCMach1 Oct 2018 #14
Don't believe polls. Never! And have faith. Kajun Gal Oct 2018 #16
At this point, it's more likely we'll pull of an upset in Mississippi than Texas. n/t BlueStater Oct 2018 #18
Maybe a DUMB question here? bluestarone Oct 2018 #19
There will only be a recount if it's closer than 1% Polybius Oct 2018 #31
Cruz started plastering the airwaves with ads is my guess. blogslut Oct 2018 #20
Cruz raised $12M in Q3. Beto raised 3X that TexasBushwhacker Oct 2018 #22
no. it's the Kavanaugh shit. republicans see how important senate control is JI7 Oct 2018 #23
Here's my theory on that: blogslut Oct 2018 #25
it's not just kavanaugh but future nominees JI7 Oct 2018 #26
You give them more credit than I do. blogslut Oct 2018 #27
the republicans are when it comes to the shit they want JI7 Oct 2018 #28
It's Texas, he was never going to win. BlueTsunami2018 Oct 2018 #21
whati I'm going is there wil be a huge turnout among democrats JI7 Oct 2018 #24
No No not so INdemo Oct 2018 #30

JI7

(89,259 posts)
1. Republicans got a bump from republican voters over Kavanaugh
Sat Oct 13, 2018, 06:36 PM
Oct 2018

that's why red state republicans have gone up .

nycbos

(6,035 posts)
4. The governors race has Abbott up by 20.
Sat Oct 13, 2018, 06:41 PM
Oct 2018

Which such a wide margin in the Governors race the Senate race was never going to be close. Despite the money Beto never had a chance. The best we can hope for is that he can bring some of the targeted congressional seats overlain.

inwiththenew

(972 posts)
11. Yep there is not going to be enough vote splitters to make up for this
Sat Oct 13, 2018, 06:53 PM
Oct 2018

Maybe in a closer Governor's race but not this.

vercetti2021

(10,156 posts)
6. Don't believe the bullshit polls
Sat Oct 13, 2018, 06:44 PM
Oct 2018

We are working super hard down here and it's nothing but enthusiasm for Beto

Jersey Devil

(9,874 posts)
7. Beto will swamp Cruz with ads the rest of the way
Sat Oct 13, 2018, 06:47 PM
Oct 2018

He has something like 3 times the money that Cruz has and I would bet the last 3 weeks are going to be nonstop Beto on Texas TV.

Igel

(35,332 posts)
9. Read the fine print.
Sat Oct 13, 2018, 06:51 PM
Oct 2018

Take The NBC/Marist poll from late August. It said that the voters in Texas were nearly split, 49-45 (advantage Cruz).

Read the fine print and that's including those who are "leaning" to one or the other, however weakly. 6% undecided when asked if they had any leaning.

The Emerson poll from about a week later had Cruz up by 1%, the MOE being over 4%. So "neck-and-neck" (when we need to include the MOE). But if you actually pay attention, it was 39 Cruz, 38 O'Rourke. 33% of the electorate wasn't in either camp, but the Emerson poll didn't follow up with the equivalent of "so, in a pinch, who'd you think you'd vote for if you had to vote, and the election was today?"

And that was in August, 2 months ago, and people weren't really paying attention too much since then. Hence the "33% are undecided" from the Emerson poll. Since then there's been Kavanaugh; O'Rourke's background's a bit better know, his "I crashed while drunk, and only really admitted to driving while a bit inebriated" news story broke, and it looks like affluenza to those not disposed.

Mostly the undecideds are saying who they've decided for. Now, whether the models that the pollsters are using are anything close to reality, that's another question. Remember, raw poll numbers are pretty much trash unless the sample is very, very large and demonstrably random. When you poll 1000 people, you then have to put their demographics into the sausage-machine called a "model" and see how the various weightings--all of them based on assumptions about the future, and mostly based on the past--change things. A poll of a 1000 people is only okay unweighted if the total population is maybe 1050-1100, and even then you have to make sure that nobody's left out in a systematic way; or, if the people are pre-selected based on the model, so you do your weighting before you ask the questions.

uponit7771

(90,348 posts)
13. +1, the LV vs RV models don't account for demo changes in TX IE Clinton winning Houston subs by 160k
Sat Oct 13, 2018, 07:00 PM
Oct 2018

... votes during 16.

Now Beto's reach is larger than Clinton's in 16 so the sampling data for LV has to change also and I don't see that in the latest polling seeing the NYT poll over sampled white males which usually do turn out in Texas.

I think this will be tight

BlueStater

(7,596 posts)
17. How the fuck can you not be sure whether you like Ted Cruz or not?
Sat Oct 13, 2018, 07:27 PM
Oct 2018

Undecided voters suck. Always have, always will.

Azathoth

(4,611 posts)
10. The race was always "close by Texas standards"
Sat Oct 13, 2018, 06:53 PM
Oct 2018

There hasn't been a single poll that didn't have Cruz in the lead, and there have only been a handful of scattered polls with Beto in striking distance.

The truth is, in most election cycles we wouldn't be talking about this race as being in play. It's just that everyone, including Republicans, expect Democrats to outperform the polls. And Beto himself has been a surprisingly strong candidate.

JCMach1

(27,562 posts)
14. still following 538? We have a 100% chance of loosing if Dems in Texas don't get out way more than
Sat Oct 13, 2018, 07:02 PM
Oct 2018

the pathetic 30% turnout that is normal for TX...

You can disregard the polls because of this... It's about executing the game plan at this point.

blogslut

(38,006 posts)
20. Cruz started plastering the airwaves with ads is my guess.
Sat Oct 13, 2018, 07:35 PM
Oct 2018

We'll see how it all plays out.

Meanwhile, Beto has offices in almost every town with a population over 10,000. He's physically been to every district in the state, often repeatedly. He's got phone bankers and block walkers. His ground game is solid.

TexasBushwhacker

(20,208 posts)
22. Cruz raised $12M in Q3. Beto raised 3X that
Sat Oct 13, 2018, 08:36 PM
Oct 2018

Beto also had $4M more cash on hand at the end of Q2. Beto better start spending on some serious ad time.

JI7

(89,259 posts)
23. no. it's the Kavanaugh shit. republicans see how important senate control is
Sat Oct 13, 2018, 08:38 PM
Oct 2018

to getting their shit nominees.

blogslut

(38,006 posts)
25. Here's my theory on that:
Sat Oct 13, 2018, 09:15 PM
Oct 2018

Kavanaugh got sworn in so, many wingnuts think they've already won. I could be very wrong but I think the enthusiasm on the right is dissipating.

JI7

(89,259 posts)
26. it's not just kavanaugh but future nominees
Sat Oct 13, 2018, 09:18 PM
Oct 2018

and just knowing how important control of senate is.

in some places where trump's trade policies are hurting them like missouri there has not been as much of a bump as other states.

so it will be what is in their mind when they vote.

blogslut

(38,006 posts)
27. You give them more credit than I do.
Sat Oct 13, 2018, 09:30 PM
Oct 2018

I don't believe the majority of voters are that forward thinking.

BlueTsunami2018

(3,496 posts)
21. It's Texas, he was never going to win.
Sat Oct 13, 2018, 08:22 PM
Oct 2018

Beto is a great story and would be a great senator but this is Texas we’re talking about. I’d love to be wrong about this but unfortunately, they really like assholes there.

JI7

(89,259 posts)
24. whati I'm going is there wil be a huge turnout among democrats
Sat Oct 13, 2018, 08:39 PM
Oct 2018

and enough new voters that may be underlooked to put Beto over the top.

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