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Jill Wine Bank's pin today--and its meaning. She's on AMJOY (Original Post) hlthe2b Oct 2018 OP
Beautiful! Turquoise and copper! PearliePoo2 Oct 2018 #1
nice pin bigtree Oct 2018 #2
Yes, but she is getting her ass handed to her.. Still hard to listen to her lies and spin, though hlthe2b Oct 2018 #3
Wow! I'd love something like that for my wife! PatrickforO Oct 2018 #4
Zuni Petit Point pamela Oct 2018 #5
It's Navajo, "Old Pawn". denbot Oct 2018 #6
Twisted wire on a Zuni piece pamela Oct 2018 #7
Notice on the original the twisted wire seems to be the dominant feature? denbot Oct 2018 #9
That was unnecessarily nasty. pamela Oct 2018 #10
Nasty would not be the word I would have used. denbot Oct 2018 #11
You owe me an apology pamela Oct 2018 #12
No I do not. denbot Oct 2018 #13
It may be a Jack Weekoty pamela Oct 2018 #8


(85,594 posts)
2. nice pin
Sun Oct 14, 2018, 09:26 AM
Oct 2018

...can't watch with the idiot republican (Amy) Ali brought on and is keeping in the discussions.

This is the equivalent of FOX when she speaks. The entire reason I watch Joy (and Rachael and Lawrence) is the absence of republican propagandists. I can't even stand to look at her.


(101,289 posts)
3. Yes, but she is getting her ass handed to her.. Still hard to listen to her lies and spin, though
Sun Oct 14, 2018, 09:33 AM
Oct 2018


(14,465 posts)
4. Wow! I'd love something like that for my wife!
Sun Oct 14, 2018, 11:33 AM
Oct 2018

That is so cool. We have a ceremonial Navajo rattle, and several dream catchers.

You know, I've begun to believe that the Northern European faith structure that came here and swept over this land like a great genocidal red-tide has never really been a 'fit' for the North American continent. I believe that we must begin to feel and connect with the native spirit of the land.

The great thing about those cultures and their spirituality was they weren't capitalists. Most didn't even have a concept of 'owning' land.

It is worth some thought.


(9,894 posts)
6. It's Navajo, "Old Pawn".
Sun Oct 14, 2018, 01:01 PM
Oct 2018

The bezels are hand made, so it probably predates the ‘70’s. The cabachons are derived from small nuggets and hand shaped. The pattern is an overall squash blossom motif.

I’m guessing from the matrix in the turquoise that it is from either the Kingman or Sleeping Beauty mines.

The setting is all silver, possibly coin silver “90%”, and is done in the Navajo style. It looks copper like because of the red background.

Twisted wire is not a Zuni thing. The hallmark of Zuni is precise cut inlay stone.


(9,894 posts)
9. Notice on the original the twisted wire seems to be the dominant feature?
Sun Oct 14, 2018, 01:55 PM
Oct 2018

The twisted wire is prominent over all and again that is not something indicative of Zuni work. To me the telling portion is that on the second piece look at how the stones are more uniform, and are well shaped.

On the first, the stones are more or less following their original natural nugget form. That is more Navajo like.

But hey, what do I know. I’m just Chiricahua Apache, and have made a living collecting, making, and selling Native American Jewelry, including at “The Show”, Santa Fe Indian Market.

That being said I’ll bow to your whitesplaining to me.


(3,469 posts)
10. That was unnecessarily nasty.
Sun Oct 14, 2018, 02:04 PM
Oct 2018

I simply posted a few pictures-you're the one who wrote a dissertation. I thought it was an interesting discussion until you had to get nasty.


(9,894 posts)
11. Nasty would not be the word I would have used.
Sun Oct 14, 2018, 02:28 PM
Oct 2018

Niether would I have called my descriptions, and reasoning a dissertation. I do feel that it is likely that I have bought and sold more old pawn, and almost certainly made more turquoise and silver jewelry than you, or most people as a whole.

During what you termed as a discussion, I described characteristics and features, and you countered with images of works without comment on the features that would support which nation would have more likely produced the piece.

You seemed convinced of your position, but were either unwilling or unable to support it other than to post images of Zuni work incorporating twisted wire. That is what in my opinion earned you the whitesplaining shot.

BTW, The Weekoty piece is made almost certainly with Sleeping Beauty Turquoise, notice the matrix is derived from quartz? It makes the turquoise very hard, and less porous, thus holds it color well. The cabachons on either end are somewhat softer, thus more porous. Softer turquoise will absorb more oils, and alter color. It doesn’t necessarily mean it from a different mine, but more likely from a softer part of the turquoise vein.


(3,469 posts)
12. You owe me an apology
Sun Oct 14, 2018, 02:44 PM
Oct 2018

That Weekoty piece should have settled this. You know it, I know it and anyone with eyes knows it.

I have not been remotely nasty or argumentative but you have. You got personal when you know nothing about my ethnicity or background. You owe me an apology.

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