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Michael Avenatti with another great idea: (Original Post) Kingofalldems Oct 2018 OP
The only argument against this is gop purposeful voter suppression. Funtatlaguy Oct 2018 #1
Pass laws with jail terms for suppression of the vote, gerrymandering, registration, etc. olegramps Oct 2018 #53
he forgot something Grasswire2 Oct 2018 #2
People move around, they sometimes even change their name FakeNoose Oct 2018 #10
Social Security seems to do a pretty good job. SS# eligibility to vote. YOHABLO Oct 2018 #13
As pointed out elsewhere in this thread, having a SSN doesn't automatically mean The Velveteen Ocelot Oct 2018 #34
It's so easy here in Colorado meadowlark5 Oct 2018 #3
Even Florida has something like this. Ligyron Oct 2018 #25
Pennsylvania does that don't they? Vote only on election day? meadowlark5 Oct 2018 #27
Yes, that's what I was thinking when I wrote that but wasn't sure. Ligyron Oct 2018 #42
I wish.. cannabis_flower Oct 2018 #54
It's so much easier. meadowlark5 Oct 2018 #63
Since moving to Oregon we got new driver's licenses at the DMV calimary Oct 2018 #55
His idea of controlling state election registration requirements from the federal level would not Trust Buster Oct 2018 #4
He didn't say anything about state registration. Kingofalldems Oct 2018 #6
State registration is the only registration. The feds cannot usurp that. Trust Buster Oct 2018 #7
Not necessarily. Congress can, and has, passed legislation relating to elections. The Velveteen Ocelot Oct 2018 #9
First we need the federal birth registry jberryhill Oct 2018 #16
Social Security data? A federal birth registry is very unlikely ever to be created. The Velveteen Ocelot Oct 2018 #17
SSN doesn't imply citizenship jberryhill Oct 2018 #18
Then it's not going to work at all, at least not automatically. The Velveteen Ocelot Oct 2018 #21
Damn the details!!! Gets the desired re-tweet & exposure. 7962 Oct 2018 #38
Thumbs Up for Citing Your Sources of Information PandoraAwakened Oct 2018 #33
If it's a bill passed into law why not? brush Oct 2018 #14
We will not have 60 Senate votes to pass it into law even if we have a President that wouldn't veto. Trust Buster Oct 2018 #15
The 60-vote rule is for ending debate (cloture), not to pass a bill in the Senate. The Velveteen Ocelot Oct 2018 #35
You never know HOW many D or R members will be in a future Senate. COULD be 60 Dems, 7962 Oct 2018 #40
A GOOD lawyer should...... 7962 Oct 2018 #37
I like that idea. Turin_C3PO Oct 2018 #5
Don't take away a weekend day from workers please but Little Star Oct 2018 #8
But only for registered voters...... getagrip_already Oct 2018 #29
make the weekend day one of TWO election days..FIXED BamaRefugee Oct 2018 #11
Yep. Automatic voter registration at 18 should have been done long ago Autumn Oct 2018 #12
It will have to be done by the states, but it's a good idea. The Velveteen Ocelot Oct 2018 #22
Bold SANE moves . . . it's no long the time for "incremental", GOP doesn't do incremental pdsimdars Oct 2018 #19
This message was self-deleted by its author nini Oct 2018 #32
It is a great idea oldtime dfl_er Oct 2018 #20
He is GREAT! LBM20 Oct 2018 #23
And it should be a PAPER vote! Oregon does this! pioche4 Oct 2018 #24
Elizabeth Warren proposed this in 2015 oberliner Oct 2018 #26
Yep. NT. warmfeet Oct 2018 #41
So what, he never said he was the first. Kingofalldems Oct 2018 #43
Hmmm. shanny Oct 2018 #50
Wow, that makes me like him even more KelleyKramer Oct 2018 #51
That should be part of the senior curriculum near graduation day. kentuck Oct 2018 #28
the gop thinks it wrong to teach them anything..... getagrip_already Oct 2018 #30
Not a new idea - but needs to be done. nini Oct 2018 #31
He's addressing a key issue.... zentrum Oct 2018 #36
To this I would add 100% absentee ballot voting. OMGWTF Oct 2018 #39
Motor voter is a federal law, part of the Help America Vote Act DeminPennswoods Oct 2018 #44
I'm likin' this guy. But he's not a politician... Honeycombe8 Oct 2018 #45
He's a lawyer; he probably knows this stuff - but he's also a publicity hound The Velveteen Ocelot Oct 2018 #48
Being a lawyer is very different from being a politician. Honeycombe8 Oct 2018 #57
Something like 55% of US presidents have been lawyers. mtnsnake Oct 2018 #59
25 of 44 Presidents have been lawyers. 26 have been military. Honeycombe8 Oct 2018 #60
Very well said. mtnsnake Oct 2018 #61
I know that very well - I retired from that line of work some years ago. The Velveteen Ocelot Oct 2018 #62
It's not his idea. Qutzupalotl Oct 2018 #46
We should push for a constitutional amendment for mandatory voter registration blue-wave Oct 2018 #47
Remove "mobile." from the URL to get the actual tweet: tblue37 Oct 2018 #49
michael avenatti Dolly123Jimmy Oct 2018 #52
K&R Scurrilous Oct 2018 #56
That's a great idea. Vinca Oct 2018 #58

olegramps

(8,200 posts)
53. Pass laws with jail terms for suppression of the vote, gerrymandering, registration, etc.
Mon Oct 15, 2018, 10:16 AM
Oct 2018

Send a few of the bastards to prison for twenty years or even more without parole for suppression of our basic right to vote. They would think twice about screwing with the system.

FakeNoose

(32,639 posts)
10. People move around, they sometimes even change their name
Sun Oct 14, 2018, 04:34 PM
Oct 2018

So there has to be a mechanism to update and revise the records. It's required for Social Security and almost every other type for government "benefit," and it should be built into voting registration records too.

But yeah, I'm OK with the "irrevocable" part.

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,689 posts)
34. As pointed out elsewhere in this thread, having a SSN doesn't automatically mean
Sun Oct 14, 2018, 06:25 PM
Oct 2018

a person is a citizen. Many permanent residents have SSNs because they have jobs and pay taxes, but they still aren't eligible to vote.

meadowlark5

(2,795 posts)
3. It's so easy here in Colorado
Sun Oct 14, 2018, 03:56 PM
Oct 2018

All of my kids, when they went for their learners permit, were asked if they wanted to pre-register to vote! Then when my oldest was 18 and the presidential election came around, a mail in ballot arrived for him along with my husband and mine. Same will happen with my twins and they will get to vote in the 2020 election. And they won't be voting for Trump

Ligyron

(7,632 posts)
25. Even Florida has something like this.
Sun Oct 14, 2018, 05:50 PM
Oct 2018

Apply for a driver's license and they ask you if you wish to register you to vote at the same time. Then it's vote by mail if you so desire. I haven't stood in a line to vote in years and I never will again. Ever.

Plenty of early voting though if you really want to show up and stand in a line. I hate lines.

States that make you vote on one day only - well, we know what they're up to don't we?

meadowlark5

(2,795 posts)
27. Pennsylvania does that don't they? Vote only on election day?
Sun Oct 14, 2018, 05:53 PM
Oct 2018

For a state with that sized population, that's crazy!

Ligyron

(7,632 posts)
42. Yes, that's what I was thinking when I wrote that but wasn't sure.
Sun Oct 14, 2018, 07:10 PM
Oct 2018

They make a big deal out of getting an absentee ballot too if I remember right. Gotta watch certain people in parts of Philly too, make sure they don't vote, err... I mean cheat.

cannabis_flower

(3,764 posts)
54. I wish..
Mon Oct 15, 2018, 12:34 PM
Oct 2018

I could vote by mail. We can't vote by mail here (Texas) unless we are disabled, over 65 or will be away election day and the whole time of early voting. But early voting window is pretty long, and if you early vote, you can vote anywhere in your county. If you go on election day, you have to go to your precinct. I usually go the second day of early voting because the line is too long the first day.

meadowlark5

(2,795 posts)
63. It's so much easier.
Mon Oct 15, 2018, 07:05 PM
Oct 2018

Especially if you have a lot on the ballot. I can just take my time filling it out, go look things up, go back the next day or whenever I have time. I usually drop ours off at the ballot collection at the city/county building. I don't want anything being lost or delayed in the mail.

calimary

(81,261 posts)
55. Since moving to Oregon we got new driver's licenses at the DMV
Mon Oct 15, 2018, 01:26 PM
Oct 2018

and that was all it took. We were automatically registered to vote. Easy-peasy. It should be THAT SIMPLE across the board. In EVERY state.

 

Trust Buster

(7,299 posts)
4. His idea of controlling state election registration requirements from the federal level would not
Sun Oct 14, 2018, 03:56 PM
Oct 2018

Pass muster in the courts. A lawyer should know that.

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,689 posts)
9. Not necessarily. Congress can, and has, passed legislation relating to elections.
Sun Oct 14, 2018, 04:16 PM
Oct 2018

Article I of the Constitution says: "The Times, Places and Manner of holding Elections for Senators and Representatives, shall be prescribed in each State by the Legislature thereof; but the Congress may at any time by Law make or alter such Regulations, except as to the Places of choosing Senators." So far Congress has regulated federal elections with respect to campaign finance and election interference, and the Constitution does not prevent Congress from "making or altering" other voting regulations - but explicitly allows it. The Help America Vote Act of 2002, intended to create improvements to voting systems and voter access, is an example of this. Unfortunately the current Supreme Court has been interpreting HAVA as narrowly as possible and has gutted the Voting Rights Act, so even if Congress were to pass such a registration law (unlikely if the GOP retains control of the Senate), the Supreme Court probably would kill it.

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,689 posts)
17. Social Security data? A federal birth registry is very unlikely ever to be created.
Sun Oct 14, 2018, 05:22 PM
Oct 2018

I don't see automatic voter registration ever happening on the federal level; realistically the states would have to do it if it's going to happen at all, even if it is constitutional. More hot air from Avenatti?

 

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
18. SSN doesn't imply citizenship
Sun Oct 14, 2018, 05:26 PM
Oct 2018

There are non-citizen legal residents who work here and are assigned SSN’s.

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,689 posts)
21. Then it's not going to work at all, at least not automatically.
Sun Oct 14, 2018, 05:31 PM
Oct 2018

Nice Try, Avenatti. The devil is always in the details, isn't it?

PandoraAwakened

(905 posts)
33. Thumbs Up for Citing Your Sources of Information
Sun Oct 14, 2018, 06:22 PM
Oct 2018

I hate it when people make "definitive" statements with zero backup. Good on you for showing that just because someone says so, doesn't make it so.

 

Trust Buster

(7,299 posts)
15. We will not have 60 Senate votes to pass it into law even if we have a President that wouldn't veto.
Sun Oct 14, 2018, 04:56 PM
Oct 2018

Second, the whole reason that Republicans are so fervent in their attempts to stack the whole federal judiciary is to prevent such action from passing muster. I believe that the states do have the right to regulate their own election registration systems. I believe redress in court should be sought in the case of abuse but a federal takeover will not happen IMO.

 

7962

(11,841 posts)
40. You never know HOW many D or R members will be in a future Senate. COULD be 60 Dems,
Sun Oct 14, 2018, 06:58 PM
Oct 2018

its been there before!

 

7962

(11,841 posts)
37. A GOOD lawyer should......
Sun Oct 14, 2018, 06:49 PM
Oct 2018

I don know what all the folks who are just over the moon about this guy are gonna do when he falls

Turin_C3PO

(13,991 posts)
5. I like that idea.
Sun Oct 14, 2018, 03:57 PM
Oct 2018

Also, either make Election Day a federal holiday or have the election on Saturday or Sunday.

Little Star

(17,055 posts)
8. Don't take away a weekend day from workers please but
Sun Oct 14, 2018, 04:10 PM
Oct 2018

I'm all in agreement with it being a federal holiday.

getagrip_already

(14,750 posts)
29. But only for registered voters......
Sun Oct 14, 2018, 06:10 PM
Oct 2018

It would be nice if people who vote got something like an extra tax deduction.........

But giving the day to everyone is better than making people work it.

Autumn

(45,082 posts)
12. Yep. Automatic voter registration at 18 should have been done long ago
Sun Oct 14, 2018, 04:41 PM
Oct 2018

and get rid of the primary caucuses who disenfranchise young people who can't take a whole day off to participate in their future.

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,689 posts)
22. It will have to be done by the states, but it's a good idea.
Sun Oct 14, 2018, 05:34 PM
Oct 2018

Some caucus states are switching to primaries because of the inconvenience - though caucuses have generally been held in the evenings and don't require all day. I was in and out of my last caucus in a half hour. But they do disadvantage some - but it's the elderly, the poor, and people who don't have child care more than young people.

Response to pdsimdars (Reply #19)

oldtime dfl_er

(6,931 posts)
20. It is a great idea
Sun Oct 14, 2018, 05:30 PM
Oct 2018

but he needs a PR person. If he wants to be a serious candidate he really needs people around him to check his more circus like impulses.

Kingofalldems

(38,456 posts)
43. So what, he never said he was the first.
Sun Oct 14, 2018, 08:01 PM
Oct 2018

He agrees with Senator Warren. So my question would be why did you post that?

 

shanny

(6,709 posts)
50. Hmmm.
Mon Oct 15, 2018, 01:27 AM
Oct 2018

One wonders if all the people dissing Avenatti are now going to diss Elizabeth Warren as well.

kentuck

(111,094 posts)
28. That should be part of the senior curriculum near graduation day.
Sun Oct 14, 2018, 06:01 PM
Oct 2018

Even if they are not 18 until after graduation, they could register early. What is wrong with teaching them civic responsibility?

DeminPennswoods

(15,286 posts)
44. Motor voter is a federal law, part of the Help America Vote Act
Sun Oct 14, 2018, 08:14 PM
Oct 2018

In Pennsylvania, when you get your driver's license or state ID for non-drivers, you're automatically asked if you would like to register to vote.

Further, all males, not sure if women are now included, must register for selective service at 18. There's no reason why voter registration couldn't be offered at the same time.

Honeycombe8

(37,648 posts)
45. I'm likin' this guy. But he's not a politician...
Sun Oct 14, 2018, 08:25 PM
Oct 2018

I wonder if he knows it literally takes "an act of Congress" to get that done.

Of course, if we have the House and Senate...the sky's the limit!

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,689 posts)
48. He's a lawyer; he probably knows this stuff - but he's also a publicity hound
Mon Oct 15, 2018, 12:08 AM
Oct 2018

whose ego has inflated from all the media coverage he's cultivated to the point where he thinks he ought to run for president.

Honeycombe8

(37,648 posts)
57. Being a lawyer is very different from being a politician.
Mon Oct 15, 2018, 03:06 PM
Oct 2018

Totally different skills.

It would help him actually BE a President, in some ways. But wouldn't help running for President.

You have to sidestep issues, answer questions a certain way, follow the talking points and a strategy. Palin's failure to be a good politician is what tanked her, even though she had a loyal following. She was so popular for disgusting reasons, but she tanked because she was a lousy politician. She couldn't answer a question correctly, even if she was given the answer beforehand.

Honeycombe8

(37,648 posts)
60. 25 of 44 Presidents have been lawyers. 26 have been military.
Mon Oct 15, 2018, 03:26 PM
Oct 2018

Both things help a person BE a good President, I think. This is part of Trump's problem. He doesn't understand even the way government works, or separation of powers, or how to read. He doesn't understand foreign policy, diplomacy, what war means.

But you have to have good political skills to get elected. Or, at least I thought that, until Trump. Hmmmm.

I like Avenatti, actually. I would consider voting for him. I do think it's time we had a fighter, someone tough with the opposition. But not so tough that he can't woo one or two, when necessary.

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,689 posts)
62. I know that very well - I retired from that line of work some years ago.
Mon Oct 15, 2018, 06:36 PM
Oct 2018

A lawyer can be expected to know something about the machinery of government and, one would hope, the Constitution. Prosecutors seem to be pretty good at it for the most part because they know the system so well. But other litigators, in particular, can be abrasive, arrogant and in-your-face. I ran into a few of these; their MO is pure intimidation - of opposing parties and opposing counsel. This seems to be Avenatti's approach, and while it can sometimes work to their advantage in some kinds of litigation it does not work very well in elective politics. Trump, who is not a lawyer but a con artist, succeeded as an abrasive, arrogant asshole only because he understood which dog whistles to blow for his audiences.

blue-wave

(4,352 posts)
47. We should push for a constitutional amendment for mandatory voter registration
Mon Oct 15, 2018, 12:00 AM
Oct 2018

at age 18. If you are an American citizen and 18 years of age, you can vote. No if's, and's or but's about it.

I like Avenatti more every day. We need more fighters like him. More Democratic minded American fighters.

tblue37

(65,342 posts)
49. Remove "mobile." from the URL to get the actual tweet:
Mon Oct 15, 2018, 12:09 AM
Oct 2018



Never mind--I see the tweet In the OP now. It just wouldn't load at first.
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