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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsAvenatti shows us just how to deal with Trump and ANY bully: SMASH THEM DOWN HARDER! And GOOD!
Avenatti is such a breath of fresh air. Dems/Progressives have got to stop allowing GOP thugs like Trump and all the rest to walk all over them. There is no playing nicey-nice with bullies. There is no "being the better person" with them. Because they feed on domination and cruelty. There is no reforming them. There is no talking to them and reasoning with them. They perceive that as total surrender. If you don't smash them down, they will just continue to attack and violate you. In fact, they will get worse. The only way to stop a physical bully out in the world is to hit back even harder. (I have a good friend who was being taunted and physically threatened by a big bully co-worker. Let me just say that he finally had enough and ended the problem on the construction site with a two-by-four wooden plank. THE BULLY WAS DONE! END OF PROBLEM!)
The ONLY way to deal with nasty bullies is to SMASH THEM HARDER! It is ALL they will EVER understand. And that is just what Avenatti said so well and so truthfully on CNN yesterday. And then he wonderfully proceeded to repeatedly call Trump a "disgrace" and also a "moron." And Stormy Daniels called Trump "tiny" and said he was into "beastiality" and it was "game on". Good. MORE MORE MORE.
Want to make Traitor Don's ears steam? Want to push him into a coronary? Want to drive his cultist followers nuts? Call him a BABY DONNIE and say it 1000 times. He has confessed that the baby name is what steams him up the most. Drive it right at him and them all the time.
And it is SO fitting. He IS certainly the ultimate MAN BABY.
Sancho
(9,070 posts)that's my opinion..
LBM20
(1,580 posts)Hortensis
(58,785 posts)why Avenatti searches out salacious scandals to get himself in front of cameras. That's who he is.
He wouldn't be interested in working behind the scenes as part of a team to get OTHER people in front of cameras and in office.
They're very closely related, of course, to the reasons you've been lead to admire Avenotti instead of the people who hire him. His name leads every story he's involved with, not theirs, and he's gotten far more from it than they have. His batting record for his clients isn't very good at all. In fact, he's not done very well promoting himself either -- yes, he's become nationally famous, but that same exposure has lead a lot of people to become very unimpressed with him.
Think about it. Always examine their actions to see who people are.
Polly Hennessey
(6,796 posts)We now see who you are.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)"We" are very welcome to see me that way. I don't see any indication that my invitation to think about Avenotti was accepted, but it did lead to this, so fine.
Nor am I, btw, among those counterparts on the right who've leaped to admire Kavanaugh for partisan reasons instead of good character. Or any other big names with low standards who put their own interests before those of our nation.
"Is there a classification that is dumber than rocks? We are sinking lower and lower." ~ Polly Hennessey
7962
(11,841 posts)Has this place become so rigid & uptight that a simple difference of opinion about a damn lawyer is looked at as some nefarious plot against Democrats???
LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)Uptight, indeed...
7962
(11,841 posts)Sheesh.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)and worked up these days, and no wonder.
I agree with your general feelings on this subject, of course. Avenatti managed to get under Trump's skin, and although I don't want to see Nancy or Kamala calling Trump "Tiny," I have no problem at all with Stormy doing it.
I would definitely prefer, though, that a person who barely legally extorted money from a client to keep quiet not run for the U.S. senate (!!!) again. Same for the attorney who sought fame by trying to help her break that sleazy contract.
Our nation really, really needs the Democratic Party to protect our standards from from where today's Republicans would drown them, not follow them down into the diseased muck.
Sancho
(9,070 posts)Hillary's campaign needed someone like him - whether it was Avenatti personally or not. That's my view, and I'm sticking to it.
Name the person who played the role of junk yard dog for the Democrats in the 2016 campaign?
+1000.
workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)Don't get me wrong, I love Michelle Obama totally but...
When the GOP go low, dems need to kick them in the teeth IMO!
trueblue2007
(17,218 posts)WeekiWater
(3,259 posts)Acting more and more like a child. He is little more than a child throwing temper tantrums. Its beyond sad that this is what some are excited about. Childish twitter fueds between morally and ethically challenged individuals. Name calling and insults.
I feel people are going to be shocked if Avenatti rises to the level that Democrats feel its time to vet him. I think he will hold just short of that point. He is a flame throwing bully who likes the attention.
Lets not work toward elevating another online bully with a questionable past and no experience. Republicans have become that desperate. We look to be poised to win without Trump like individuals.
Enjoy Avenatti before his grand fall. It is fun.
Ill elevate quality individuals and real fighters like Harris. Ill even take the fight of Sanders over someone like Avenatti. At least Sanders educates and moves the spectrum. Two things Avenatti is completely unfamiliar with.
HopeAgain
(4,407 posts)I hope people realize that the elevation of a self-absorbed personality to counter the egomaniac in the White House is likely to simply dilute any dignity in our government even further. Name calling, innuendo and threats don't win over new voters or restore sanity to the process. I would also point out there have been a lot of empty threats.
Autumn
(45,084 posts)people in our government have been saying and doing? I'll take Avenatti's and our First Lady of Porn's "self-absorbed personalities" over any of these people in our government any day. There is no fucking dignity in our government, they are nothing more than self absorbed thieves, idiots, and fools on the world stage . The Republicans have seen to that. Those empty threats? That's on the Republicans and their bootlickers.
SCantiGOP
(13,870 posts)Avenatti is a narcissistic self-promoter who turns off all but the most angry parts of the Democratic coalition.
I really wonder about the motives of those (like this OP) that keep throwing this disruption out there weeks before the critical mid-terms.
On edit: I was referring to posts # 3 and 4
Amishman
(5,557 posts)We need inspirational leadership, not loose cannons
uponit7771
(90,339 posts)DinahMoeHum
(21,788 posts)ProfessorGAC
(65,042 posts)Then i threw the note away.
DinahMoeHum
(21,788 posts)WeekiWater
(3,259 posts)I have no concerns about him. He isn't influential enough to be concerned about. I think he is a positive and useful tool. That is the exact opposite of concern.
LBM20
(1,580 posts)WeekiWater
(3,259 posts)I love it when he targets Trump.
Squinch
(50,949 posts)😒
WeekiWater
(3,259 posts)watoos
(7,142 posts)I knew its purpose would be to bash Avenatti, Mission accomplished.
United we stand, divided we fall. If Avenatti is our candidate I will gladly vote for him.
Va Lefty
(6,252 posts)oberliner
(58,724 posts)Is this for real?
7962
(11,841 posts)Obama would have beaten Trump easily. And he's NOTHING like an Avenatti
oberliner
(58,724 posts)I think the key electorally is not to change our approach to be more like Trump but rather to target states more effectively.
7962
(11,841 posts)happy feet
(869 posts)oberliner
(58,724 posts)USALiberal
(10,877 posts)oberliner
(58,724 posts)My point of view is that it would be better not to behave like Trump and to rise above his name calling and other shenanigans. I would focus more on promoting ideas that will be beneficial to our country and not engage in back and forth twitter arguments and whatnot.
Kurt V.
(5,624 posts)i guess that's where it is now.
watoos
(7,142 posts)just replace the word entertainment with narrative or talking points. What you don't get is that Republicans have a big advantage over Democrats because cable news, the corporate media controls the narrative favorable to Republicans. What you don't get is that Michael Avenatti is one of the few Democrats who can change the corporate media's narrative. What you don't get, at least IMO, is that Republicans fear Avenatti, it's why as soon as he announced that he may run for president there was an immediate right wing campaign to trash him.
Frankly, I don't know that much about Avenatti, but I do know that Republicans fear him.
Did you see what Beto O'Rourke did to Lyin Ted in their debate? He attacked him, now you can call his attacks entertainment but the corporate media is talking about Beto's message today and not Cruz.'
7962
(11,841 posts)I'm betting his cases will have been tossed or lost by then, as has already started, and he'll be shown for what he is.
Probably have his TV show for the election season.
Then maybe we can focus on the REAL candidates that can actually win.
Kingofalldems
(38,458 posts)A huge plus for him in my book.
WeekiWater
(3,259 posts)Kingofalldems
(38,458 posts)So yes it has meaning.
Mojo2
(332 posts)Since 2000, Democrats have taken the attitude to not engage against the hostile attacks of the GOP, rise above it, if they go low, we go high, and what has it gotten us? It has gotten us two of the worst Presidents in the history of the Country, Dotard and W, and in both cases we have allowed these two and their enablers to drive the narrative with little or no resistance. John Kerry is a coward that fudged his service record, Hilary is a criminal that needs locked up, etc., these attacks are just a tip of the iceberg, but essentially these attacks received little response in counter attacks towards two highly flawed candidates in W and Dotard. People like Avenatti, at least hit back and don't allow the crooks to drive the narrative, which is what has been lacking from our side for way too long. It's too bad that people on our side want to attack a man like Avenatti, that brings passion and fire to the game, something that has been missing for many years. We are the party of organized labor, the party that opposes racism, the party that opposes poverty, we should stand strong and incorporate some of Avenatti's tactics to battle a force that has no low point as far as they will go.
watoos
(7,142 posts)Did you watch Rachel last night? Gary Hart was set up by Republicans, he was leading in the polls. A woman jumped on his lap and the picture was taken and the story published in the Enquirer. Dirty politics cost Hart the presidency. I'm not saying that Democrats should ever stoop to that Karl Rove level, but yes, I agree with you, John Kerry was a war hero and George Bush went AWOL from his Guard duty but Kerry didn't push back fast enough and strong enough.
I mean, my god, I don't know what the Clintons can do. There has been so much muck piled on top of them they will never be able to see the light of day, and that is shameful. What is more shameful is that millions of Americans believe the outrageous lies.
c-rational
(2,593 posts)anti-Avenatti posters are not posters I recognize. I am a relatively newbie, but I wonder if anyone else recognizes this.
LBM20
(1,580 posts)Autumn
(45,084 posts)I like them both and appreciate what they have been doing.
Bonx
(2,053 posts)Autumn
(45,084 posts)That's a good thing
DrDan
(20,411 posts)Butterflylady
(3,543 posts)For another 4 years.
DrDan
(20,411 posts)either it tanks or we get into another war . . . otherwise I think we may, as you say, have him for another 4 years
7962
(11,841 posts)I grew up a military brat. Moved into schools in the middle of the year many times. I was NOT the athlete who would immediately get positive attention, I was the opposite. Black military issue glasses, skinny kid. So I got picked on instantly when I would enter a class. I learned early on that the best way to defeat those kids was to either laugh along with them, or make others laugh at MY jokes. I also learned what reverse psychology was before I ever hear the term. Worked for me all thru school and I never really had any fights being the new kid.
Trump is the same as those kids I went to school with all over the world. Ignore him, laugh at his attempts at insult & play him.
DrDan
(20,411 posts)that's when he lashes out - he cannot handle either
he also cannot tolerate personal insults in certain areas - for example being labeled "tiny", inadequate sexually, etc gets a reaction
cockroaches can't stand the light.
7962
(11,841 posts)time has been flying by for sure.
vi5
(13,305 posts)Let's not be hasty. I Really don't think almost 20 years of taking the high road and playing nice has been given a fair shake yet. We should not rush into things Massive victories are right around the corner. We need to trust the very wise people with extensive track records of failure who tell us this!
ProfessorGAC
(65,042 posts)Tip O'Neill played nice with Reagan. That turned out disasterously.
Clinton tried to play nice in 1994. How'd that work out.
I'm on board with everything you said, but this failed approach to politics by our side has been going on longer than 20 years.
Time for lessons learned.
vi5
(13,305 posts)...But unfortunately too many people have too much of their careers invested in advancing the misguided idea that what anyone actually wants is "bipartisanship" and that it wins any voters whatsoever. So instead of course correcting, we double down on failed approaches.
Pepsidog
(6,254 posts)weissmam
(905 posts)Avenatti for Attorney General , think how that will scare the GOP
7962
(11,841 posts)he's had several large judgements against him, including not paying his taxes. He would be red meat.
Adrahil
(13,340 posts)We cannot sit passively by.
When the Con lies, call him out and make fun of him. When he insults, call him Mushroom Dick or Tiny.
I don't like doing nasty stuff, but this is war. Do we want to win?
7962
(11,841 posts)Because its probably the biggest insult u could give him
Even bigger than insulting his business acumen
violetpastille
(1,483 posts)Now that Avenatti has shown the way, you know that you can SMASH them down HARD AND GOOD via Tweet also, right?
LBM20
(1,580 posts)a-plenty in local newspaper comments sections and to their rank and files' faces from time to time. And it is about our LEADERS smashing down THEIR. I am not serving in office. The party needs BACKBONE again. Not "hope." Not "the high road." That's all just code language for WEAKNESS!
cwydro
(51,308 posts)No legal repercussions, problems at work...nothing?
violetpastille
(1,483 posts)There is a very good chance they will see it.
Fewer and fewer people are reading the paper. Sadly.