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Stare Decisis

(229 posts)
Thu Oct 18, 2018, 03:42 PM Oct 2018

I Am An Astros Fan-They So Got

what they deserved. First, let's just appreciate as objective observers that Mookie Betts is baseball brilliance. The man should be given a cape.

Two-I have watched this play over and over, and I can't tell. I know Mr. West had to make that call from over 100 feet away in real time, and what he saw was a ballplayer leap and have the ball knocked out of his glove by a fan. Is it possible that fan is a few inches on his side? It is possible. But I think that the spirit of the rules would suggest that the benefit of the doubt goes to the player, and that if a player can reach it he should be allowed to.

Three-if the Astros cheat well, then karma was right on time.

Four-I modeled the angle of Bett's leap because I am of similar height. I mimicked his arm angle and relative torso distance from the wall. Based on this I find it highly improbable his glove was over the wall. Of course Betts is more athletic than me by virtue of having to file flight plans to play outfield, so this is anecdotal.

Fifth-after this play the Astros, down 2-0, would go on to score 6 runs. This did not cost them a ballgame. Their pitching and defense did.

Sixth-With a runner at second and tow outs, once Martinez got to 2-0 Hinch should have walked him. He didn't, Sox get an eight run, allowing Kimbrel to go 2 innings. With a one run lead there is no way Cora stays with Kimbrel in the ninth. Price gets the ball-long story short, Astros probably win.

Seventh-The fan in question is seen wearing a Reagan Bush 84 hat. Refer to point three.

Overall this is basically the World Series. I feel whoever wins this takes no more than five ballgames to dispatch the NL champ. These are two amazing teams, evenly matched, and seven games with Verlander and Cole coming up is more likely than not. Good luck to all.

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I Am An Astros Fan-They So Got (Original Post) Stare Decisis Oct 2018 OP
Thanks for the thoughtful analysis. Croney Oct 2018 #1
Okay, I am a diehard Red Sox fan...who you question if we could be as gracious...or good sport.. asiliveandbreathe Oct 2018 #5
The fan reaching for the ball pushed Mookie's glove shut Achilleaze Oct 2018 #2
Agreed. The fan's hand compressed and flattened the glove, prohibiting a catch. Paladin Oct 2018 #3
Ii agree with your assessment Ohiogal Oct 2018 #6
While not an Astros "fan", per se... Cracklin Charlie Oct 2018 #4
I didn't see the play live gratuitous Oct 2018 #7

Croney

(4,671 posts)
1. Thanks for the thoughtful analysis.
Thu Oct 18, 2018, 03:48 PM
Oct 2018

I agree. If it had happened the other way around, I don't know if this Red Sox fan could be as gracious a good sport about it.

asiliveandbreathe

(8,203 posts)
5. Okay, I am a diehard Red Sox fan...who you question if we could be as gracious...or good sport..
Thu Oct 18, 2018, 04:01 PM
Oct 2018

I am here to say WE ARE - just for an example, last nights game..in HOUSTON, we had bases loaded..the Red Sox batter got a walk..which in turn caused a run to walk in...based on the call from umps, he didn't swing...I say "he did swing"..should have been, 3 men left on..strick 3...

I don't like bad calls ...even if it means, we left 3 on....

Achilleaze

(15,543 posts)
2. The fan reaching for the ball pushed Mookie's glove shut
Thu Oct 18, 2018, 03:51 PM
Oct 2018

otherwise the ball would have nestled into the pocket like a doughnut in a mug of java, or whatever. Mookie is poetry in motion.



Paladin

(28,277 posts)
3. Agreed. The fan's hand compressed and flattened the glove, prohibiting a catch.
Thu Oct 18, 2018, 03:55 PM
Oct 2018

Golly: an asshole fan at an Astros game. What are the odds?

Ohiogal

(32,118 posts)
6. Ii agree with your assessment
Thu Oct 18, 2018, 05:36 PM
Oct 2018

I've watched the play in slow motion many times, and the way you described it is exactly the way I perceived it.

Cracklin Charlie

(12,904 posts)
4. While not an Astros "fan", per se...
Thu Oct 18, 2018, 03:57 PM
Oct 2018

They are the team I want to see win. I watched that play in real time, and I thought the umpire made a good call. I liked that neither team made a huge stink about it, and moved on to play a great game. And you are so right about Mookie. Amazing.

Two good teams make baseball fun to watch.

gratuitous

(82,849 posts)
7. I didn't see the play live
Thu Oct 18, 2018, 06:51 PM
Oct 2018

Full disclosure: I'd prefer Boston wins this series, but I'm a Royals fan so it's immaterial.

It looked to me like Betts reached over the wall, which means that anything that happened to his glove was at his own risk, and shouldn't have been called interference. The umpire had to make a judgment call in real time, and replay didn't show enough to overturn the call. So, okay, batter out.

However, this play didn't happen in the waning innings with the Astros having just a few outs to go. This was the first inning. If it was a bad call, the way to make up for it is to power through and make it moot. I've watched sports enough to know that when a team gets preoccupied with a bad call, they're not doing themselves any favors. There was still time to overcome the call. Lots of time.

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