Gillum to DeSantis During Debate: 'This is CNN, Not Fox. You Have to Bring Facts'

[DonViejo]

by Tamar Auber | Oct 21st, 2018, 10:25 pm

During a barb-filled exchange during the CNN televised Florida Governor’s Debate between Ron DeSantis and Andrew Gillum, Democratic Tallahassee mayor Gillum told his opponent that he had to bring his facts because it was not Fox News.

DeSantis started by saying that one of the problems Gillum has is that he is presiding “over a city that’s out of control in terms of crime. When you have the record number of murders, in fact, the guy running to succeed him as mayor was his former chief of staff and he’s sending out literature to voters saying most murders in history last year, something needs to change.” He added: “Andrew couldn’t keep Tallahassee safe, he’s not the guy to keep Florida families safe.”

“Ron is being Don, and that’s Donald Trump, neglecting all sense of reason and facts,” Gillum replied. “I preside over a city that’s experiencing a five-year low in our crime rate on trajectory to be at a 20-year low in our crime rate.”

Then he said this: “This is CNN, not Fox. You have to bring facts to the conversation.”

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https://www.mediaite.com/tv/gillum-to-desantis-during-debate-this-is-cnn-not-fox-you-have-to-bring-facts/

[beachbum bob]

1. Gillum went at DeSantis the way ALL democratic candidates need and must do.

[Buns_of_Fire]

2. It's nice to see Democrats sharpening their tongues. nt

[Butterflylady]

10. He brought don the con into the debate and that's a must.

[sharedvalues]

3. Yes. Going after Fox and Limbaugh is key.

So many Americans have been brainwashed by Fox and Limbaugh. It’s often not worth talking politics with the GOP base - much more productive to talk to them about the lies of Fox and rightwing radio.

If you’ve got Trumpite family or friends, watch “The Brainwashing of My Dad” for a great description of the problem and how to fix it- how to talk to the brainwashed.

[Phoenix61]

4. I really like Gillum

He spoke at the Parkland rally in Tallahasse a week after the shooting. I thought he definitely has "it". I will be so disappointed in my fellow Floridians if they elect DeSantis.

[Ligyron]

5. They're not going to.

Unless the Russkies somehow have control of the results, Gillum by a comfortable margin.

[Omaha Steve]

6. Ding ding ding

[knightmaar]

7. Murders were up, but every other violent crime was down

https://www.firstcoastnews.com/article/news/local/verify/verify-did-crime-increase-in-tallahassee-under-gillums-leadership/77-588822470

According to records kept by the Florida Department of Law Enforcement, violent crime in Leon County decreased 11 percent from 2014-2017 and Property Crime decreased 1 percent in that same time.

According to the Federal Bureau of Investigation’s Uniform Crime Report, Leon County did see a spike in murders in 2017 reaching a record high of 22, but almost every other number was lower.

22 is a pretty small number, so you're going to see statistical fluctuation no matter what you do. The overall, year over year rate is more important.

[Blue_true]

15. The one area where I fault Gillum for not being aggressive with DeSantis was on the murder rate

issue. It could be that Gillum thinks that even ONE murder per year is too much. He may know that even though murders may have spiked, the city's total population spiked even more, so per capital the murder rate would be lower than a previous year. Gillum may know that the murders three to five years into his administration are largely the result of past poor administration, policing and community engagement, him knowing that to positively impact a murder rate 10 years in the future, he must have police and community leaders interaction with kids ten years old and younger, him knowing that the impact on those older may already have limits. The answer that Gillum would had to give would have been complicated with plenty of variables, maybe that is why he didn't try to flesh it out to the idiot DeSantis.

[Canoe52]

22. I visited a very rural area that due to some guy killing 5 people gave the

area the infamous distinction of having the highest murder rate in the country at the time.

So statistics...

[47of74]

29. Reminds me how the Vatican has one of the highest crime rates on Earth

Because of the small population and high number of visitors it causes some statistical anomalies.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/2639777.stm

[Callmecrazy]

30. That article is 15 years old...

I'm sure those numbers have changed.

[47of74]

31. Probably not for the better.

[mcar]

8. K&R

[Stellar]

11. Tapper, "do you think Trump is a good role model for children?"

DeSantis answered, His son Mason would laugh at anything and he's a good kid but he wouldnt read the Art of the Deal to him, but Trump did a good job moving the embassy to Jerusalem, and no other President has done it but Trump. and he said that Gillum was against it.

Gillum says I'm confused, what was the question again.
Tapper: Is Trump a good role model.
Gillum: that's what I thought. No, he's not a good role- model, Trump is a bully and DeSantis is trying out for the apprentice...

(This is not verbatim)

[oberliner]

12. Such a struggle for Republicans to talk about Trump

[AdamGG]

17. That was a Sarah Palin level pivot to Israel by DeSantis

It was such a glaring attempt to change the topic, that Gillum got lots of laughs from the crowd when he called it out

[Scurrilous]

13. K&R

[Gothmog]

14. I like Gillium

[DinahMoeHum]

16. Ron deSantis - Racist Dumbass

[DFW]

18. Finally! Let's hope this time is the first of many!

This needs to be said on national media over and over and over and over again!!!

Fox can't sue for defamation due to the over-abundance of proof they lie frequently and deliberately.

The 30% need to hear that Fox feeds them lies until they start to asl whether or not it might actually true. To the logical next question as to "Why?" THEN they might listen to the news they have so far refused to hear: "because if people believe the lies Fox tells them, they can be convinced to vote against their own interests--just as YOU have been doing to yourselves these last 20 years!"

[diva77]

19. Debate now available for viewing on C-SPAN

https://www.c-span.org/video/?453282-1/florida-gubernatorial-debate

[pdsimdars]

20. God I hope the other Florida voters have a brain in their heads. . . .

[ROB-ROX]

21. LIKE A ZOMBIE CONSERVATIVES DO NOT THINK

These people live by basic emotions like a brain eating zombie. They accept lies and hate like it was CANDY. I still do not know how this country could have millions of zombies and not know it? The dream of conservatives to have a country with millions of zombies........

[libdem4life]

23. Oh...Burn !

[RainCaster]

24. CNN isn't much better than Faux- its a false veneer if truth

CNN is so conservative happy, they are Fox-lite. For the illiterate.

[Cha]

26. Right! Still it was a good line even if it gave

false flattery to cnn.

[Cha]

25. Booom!

[NickPeace]

27. I Loved That!

👍😎🇺🇸

[certainot]

28. this is excellent messaging. better - say "that's what limbaugh says all day, but...."