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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsWhat a dumbass! Now he wants to pull out of Reagan's treaty agreement...
...that was made with Gorbachev decades ago, that limited or prohibited certain types of nuclear weapons.
Unbelievable!
The dumbass just wakes up one morning and decides we should return to the Cold War days. No advice. No consultation with allies. No warning to NATO. He will decide unilaterally what is best for the world.
Could someone put a leash on this asshole ??
onecaliberal
(32,861 posts)teamster633
(2,029 posts)I heard this morning on NPR that Putin's wants out but wants the US to pull the trigger.
onecaliberal
(32,861 posts)dalton99a
(81,513 posts)Hortensis
(58,785 posts)Anyone remember nuclear winter?
maxsolomon
(33,345 posts)But a Messican taking ur jerb at the Purdue processing plant? A Librul takin' that gun they need to shoot black men that look sideways at them? That they get.
Fear needs to be proximate to alter behavior.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)aren't his fascistic followers but ordinary, more moderate conservatives. THEY need to become afraid of what's happening to their right also, enough to finish breaking away and start opposing.
Wouldn't you find it interesting to know how many of the people you work with remember the threat of nuclear winter? Most of us would probably die even with a limited nuclear winter resulting from a limited nuclear war on another continent. For sure life would become extremely grim and basic for those who did have to live through it to the next big struggles to rebuild civilization.
maxsolomon
(33,345 posts)The GOP in general focuses their negative ads on money and personal safety. They have zero respect for the memory and intelligence of the average American voter, and it's a fair bet.
We'd do well to stop focusing on the abstract as well.
About 1/2 the people I work with were born after 1989. Nuclear War never enters their minds. They don't worry about Social Security, they don't worry about health care. They're young; they're invincible.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)and far more easily moved by fear than liberals. They have a darker view of human nature and, the more conservative, the more sure they tend to be that they have to stop someone or something before it destroys them.
When I suggested they need to be made afraid, I meant it's past time for them to start being afraid of what's coming at them from the right, from this nation and from others. The direction they're trained never to look.
Trump's attempts to cancel our nonproliferation treaties reminded me that before strong conservatives turned inward to fight off the internal existential threat of Democrats -- after the Cold War ended, they were sure the big enemy they had to destroy or else was Russia. It could be Russia again.
And not long ago many of our religious right neighbors here in Georgia firmly believed Satan's forces were massing in Iran and Russia. Trump's not had much success since then in getting them to see Saudi Arabia as our good buddy in the Mideast, Iran's still an evil enemy, and somehow I doubt the commitment of even the nutty ones to their new friends in Moscow is all that secure.
It's a weakness that's been turned on us but perhaps may turn again. Outward.
maxsolomon
(33,345 posts)I know when I argue with Cons elsewhere that they regard discussions of ur-fascism or actual fascism as liberal hysteria, if they don't flip it and argue that "PC Culture" is the real fascism.
The trick is always making a compelling argument that is:
1. True
2. Simple
3. Scary
Dems have problems with that, for the reasons you listed. I'm always trying to convince people that they don't need to be so afraid. Never works.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)Group insurance through work is to return to the old days of denying coverage for preexisting conditions.
Return to being locked into jobs and the constant fear of losing them, bankruptcy, suffering, premature death.
Scary.
For most of our acquaintances it's Medicare, and some must be receiving Medicaid.
Unfortunately, their handlers have become very expert in using fear to manipulate the most prone, who embrace the most irrational lies passionately as proof of their loyalty. But that leaves all the others, and there's a great deal of distrust over this -- and need that could cut through nonsense once it becomes undeniable.
Meanwhile...
maxsolomon
(33,345 posts)He controls foreign policy. He can be a short-sighted, reckless dipshit motivated only by Stigginit, greed, and Ego.
Elections have consequences. America made a tragically bad choice.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)he admires murderous dictators in other nations instead of being one himself.
Congress should be checking him on other fronts, as well, and that the Republicans are not is a grave failure of our systems. Congress doesn't just write the laws, they control the national pocketbook and have the power to remove the president. They can also change the number of jurists on our appellate and supreme courts.
COUNTDOWN TO REBALANCING: 14 days.
a strong person, he has very good control. Trump on the prince at the head of the House of Sawd.
maxsolomon
(33,345 posts)Certainly, the children living in tents along the border don't think the courts have a leash on Trump.
The leashes are theoretical at this point.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)down people along the border instead of releasing detainees into our nation at the order of the courts.
It strikes me, Max, that you're not talking on social media like someone who believes the leashes that protect him from Trump are only theoretical, almost gone already, so if you don't really believe it, why say these things?
Remember, we're all already identified as enemies, and if Trump did become a dictator, we'd all be in real danger, and our families with us. Those in blue states possibly would be protected for a while, but you should be thinking of first how long you'd be allowed to hold your job or your kids stay in college and then about things like, oh, forced labor camps for people like you. And then closing accounts and erasing everything you can. Just to show the right attitude in case you need to.
People who aren't here would be the ones who really believe we're close to that far gone. They'd believe him when he says he wants his people to fear him.
maxsolomon
(33,345 posts)In the long term, yes, the courts can stop him. In the short term, he does real harm before the wheels of justice start turning, slowly.
The leash of Congressional action has been theoretical these last 2 years. After Nov., we'll see.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)maybe. The wheels of justice are still turning, and it's what could go bad with more time that keeps me awake in the middle of the night. I never thought it couldn't happen here, only that it wouldn't, and now we're in danger so quickly.
The attacks on the vote are what make me sick, such as in Georgia right now. There are too many people unwilling and too many groups specifically at risk for We the People not to fix this eventually -- as long as we have the ability to impose our will through our votes. Without that power,...
duforsure
(11,885 posts)Or is it really coming from putin to do this so he can then threaten Europe now? Trust nothing trump does .
zipplewrath
(16,646 posts)This is as much from the DoD as it is from Putin. Putin has been violating it for years. The US has been chafing against a treaty with a country that "doesn't exist". He found virtually no resistance within the DoD and Russia I'm sure. And the GOP soured on this treaty in the '90s.
smirkymonkey
(63,221 posts)He fears he is going down and if he does, this will be his revenge on all of us. He is setting the stage to make it as easy as possible.