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538's house prediction has us up to 86% likely to win control, average gain 40 seats (Original Post) unblock Oct 2018 OP
K&R Scurrilous Oct 2018 #1
So much winning ! C_U_L8R Oct 2018 #2
Not winning yet... Wounded Bear Oct 2018 #5
I'm still pessimistic. I fear that a rigged "miracle" will allow the GOP to keep Eyeball_Kid Oct 2018 #27
We haven't won sarisataka Oct 2018 #7
Of course of course C_U_L8R Oct 2018 #9
GET OUT AND VOTE!!! Quemado Oct 2018 #3
+1 Baitball Blogger Oct 2018 #17
WA08 is a tossup... Wounded Bear Oct 2018 #4
Meh. GOTV. n/t CousinIT Oct 2018 #6
We'll see on Wednesday morning, the 7th. MineralMan Oct 2018 #8
Exactly, waiting for the final totals........ a kennedy Oct 2018 #10
It may take weeks to find out some of these elections. Hassin Bin Sober Oct 2018 #13
Bernie says it may be tight. Autumn Oct 2018 #14
Aggggg ummmm. Aaaaaaack you said THE word! Hassin Bin Sober Oct 2018 #15
OMG I did!! Autumn Oct 2018 #16
What?... NeoGreen Oct 2018 #20
Ber....NIe Hassin Bin Sober Oct 2018 #32
Oh that's good... NeoGreen Oct 2018 #33
Vote vote vote! Manage expectations accordingly and VOTE! Tiggeroshii Oct 2018 #11
Go knock on doors. Make phone calls. nycbos Oct 2018 #12
This is going to be historic! I can't wait! Joe941 Oct 2018 #18
Seat losses melm00se Oct 2018 #19
I hope to God they're right, but I'm not letting my guard down NickB79 Oct 2018 #21
I know a lot of people talk about this blue wave and all that stuff, but I don't believe it. OilemFirchen Oct 2018 #22
Oh. BannonsLiver Oct 2018 #23
I'm in good company. OilemFirchen Oct 2018 #24
Sounds more like wishful thinking to me. BannonsLiver Oct 2018 #25
This message was self-deleted by its author OilemFirchen Oct 2018 #26
Actually, it sounds stupid to me. OilemFirchen Oct 2018 #28
Worth pointing out that the 538 "Lite" model has consistently shown an 8%-10% tighter race Azathoth Oct 2018 #29
The lite model is pretty much just polls, which is inaccurate for the House Amishman Oct 2018 #30
That's true, but polls are still the most reliable predictor of elections Azathoth Oct 2018 #31

Eyeball_Kid

(7,432 posts)
27. I'm still pessimistic. I fear that a rigged "miracle" will allow the GOP to keep
Mon Oct 22, 2018, 06:03 PM
Oct 2018

Congress. And it will be rigged for the GOP to keep control. There's no other way.

Wounded Bear

(58,662 posts)
4. WA08 is a tossup...
Mon Oct 22, 2018, 02:55 PM
Oct 2018


I can't vote there, it's next door to me. We're pretty solid in the 9th, there are 2 Dems running.

Dino Rossi has never won a state wide race, most polls had him leading so far. I think Kim Schrier is killing him on healthcare. She's a pediatrician, so she knows her ADA and CHIP facts.

Hassin Bin Sober

(26,330 posts)
13. It may take weeks to find out some of these elections.
Mon Oct 22, 2018, 04:08 PM
Oct 2018

People need to be reminded that many of these pick-ups will be in toss up elections that may come down to the hundreds, if not dozens, vote count margins.

There are bound to be recounts.

melm00se

(4,993 posts)
19. Seat losses
Mon Oct 22, 2018, 04:43 PM
Oct 2018

The median number of House seats lost by the president's party at the midterm is 26.


The highest number of House seats lost was 71 in 1938.
The highest number of House seats gained was 9 in 1934.

The median number of Senate seats lost by the president's party at the midterm is 5.

The highest number of Senate seats lost was 13 in 1958.
The highest number of Senate seats gained was 9 in 1934.

https://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/statistics/data/seats-congress-gainedlost-the-presidents-party-mid-term-elections

NickB79

(19,247 posts)
21. I hope to God they're right, but I'm not letting my guard down
Mon Oct 22, 2018, 05:07 PM
Oct 2018

Last time I did that, I went to bed expecting President Clinton and woke up to President Trump.

Everyone needs to get friends and family to the polls.

BannonsLiver

(16,389 posts)
25. Sounds more like wishful thinking to me.
Mon Oct 22, 2018, 05:53 PM
Oct 2018

Maybe looking for an I told you so moment more so than a Dem house?

Response to BannonsLiver (Reply #25)

Azathoth

(4,609 posts)
29. Worth pointing out that the 538 "Lite" model has consistently shown an 8%-10% tighter race
Mon Oct 22, 2018, 06:10 PM
Oct 2018

Which is important because the "Lite" model only uses polling data, while the other models factor in "fundamentals" and all kinds of other things.

Nate Silver got himself in trouble in 2015-2016 because he started relying on additional "fundamentals" variables to dismiss Trump's chances of being nominated and winning the general.

Amishman

(5,557 posts)
30. The lite model is pretty much just polls, which is inaccurate for the House
Mon Oct 22, 2018, 06:49 PM
Oct 2018

Many house races are not polled or under polled, which will throw it off

Azathoth

(4,609 posts)
31. That's true, but polls are still the most reliable predictor of elections
Mon Oct 22, 2018, 07:57 PM
Oct 2018

Once you start modeling other variables, you get into all kinds of thorny issues. Are you cherry-picking variables? Are you properly evaluating and, if necessary, operationalizing those variables? Are you missing underlying "hidden" variables? Is a variable that was "fundamental" in 1962 just as fundamental in 2018, and vice a versa?

I'm not saying that fundamentals models are invalid or that 538's models are wrong, but I AM saying that properly-done statistical sampling is the only way to determine to a level of mathematical certainty what's actually going on in the electorate. When polls fail, it's usually because the sampling wasn't done properly, often because the pollsters were using some kind of fundamentals model that yielded incorrect assumptions (likely voter model, likely composition of the electorate, etc.)

538's 'Lite' model has consistently lagged behind the other models, which tells me that whatever "fundamentals" Nate and his team have plugged into the other models are consistently biasing their House predictions towards Democrats.

Again, I'm not saying 538 is wrong, but personally, as far as I'm concerned, any competitive district for which there is no decent polling should be treated as 50/50.

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