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misanthrope

(7,428 posts)
Tue Oct 30, 2018, 10:35 PM Oct 2018

It's not Trump's America, this is Reagan's America

Last edited Wed Oct 31, 2018, 12:18 AM - Edit history (1)

In the last weeks as we've watched Trump's actions compared with the patterns of his predecessors, one name that's made that list of imagined presidential actions has been Ronald Reagan.

"Reagan would have condemned the bombs and hatred."

"Reagan would have stood in Pittsburgh and consoled the grief-stricken by talking about America as a shining city on the hill."

Maybe. What's positive is that Reagan would have dutifully stood on stage and repeated the lines that had been diligently created for him by the real powers behind his presidency. Among their lines of thought were just as often strains of xenophobia, suspicion and outright racism.

That's why Reagan kicked off his 1980 presidential campaign by standing at the Neshoba County Fair and dog whistling about "states rights," where three civil rights workers were murdered and buried in a muddy grave by night riders. That's why Reagan propagated stories about "welfare queens" and "strapping young bucks" essentially gaming "good, hard-working Americans" -- read: white folks -- from their money.

That's why Reagan stirred a hornets nest when he made plans to honor dead Nazis and SS members with a 1985 visit to their graves in Bitburg, Germany. After the controversy arose, a visit to the Bergen-Belsen concentration camp was hastily added to his itinerary.

Reagan made Americans comfortable with their worst instincts. His diminishment and ignorance of the AIDS crisis sent a tacit message.

Trump's war on the environment? Reagan went there first. He looked to erase his predecessor's advances, too. He had the solar panels removed from the White House roof, an act of momentous symbolism. He appointed the disastrous James Watt to be Secretary of the Interior, a man who never saw federal lands he didn't think should be opened to commercial interests.

Trump's comfort with despots? Reagan paved that road, opening his arms to the oppressive dictators Baby Doc Duvalier and Ferdinand Marcos after the Carter administration adopted a strong stance against the authoritarians.

The propagandizing of radio airwaves got its first foothold with Reagan's elimination of the Fairness Doctrine. Granted, the proliferation of cable channels carried it into the next realm with the advent of FOX News but that was built on the legacy of the 1980s.

The canonization of Reagan continues unabated, absent the controversies of his era because we are living in a reality he helped reshape to conservative America's favor. The growing storm belongs to the Gipper.

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It's not Trump's America, this is Reagan's America (Original Post) misanthrope Oct 2018 OP
Thank you thank you thank you for remembering and reminding us... Hekate Oct 2018 #1
Sorry, I don't buy it SCantiGOP Oct 2018 #2
regun was pretty bad, he just had more polish Merlot Oct 2018 #3
And I'm sure not defending RR SCantiGOP Oct 2018 #5
Trump is merely more brazen misanthrope Oct 2018 #9
Couldn't agree more. nt Guy Whitey Corngood Oct 2018 #4
I was in college and the editor of yankeepants Oct 2018 #6
Reagan was a GOP boot licking puppet. Never got the justice he deserved. nt Progressive Jones Oct 2018 #7
And more. moondust Oct 2018 #8

SCantiGOP

(13,874 posts)
2. Sorry, I don't buy it
Tue Oct 30, 2018, 10:43 PM
Oct 2018

I’m not going to sit here and defend Reagan, but if Trump is the 10 on the 10 scale of evil/bigoted/dangerous/fascist, Reagan couldn’t get past number 5.

Merlot

(9,696 posts)
3. regun was pretty bad, he just had more polish
Tue Oct 30, 2018, 11:09 PM
Oct 2018

I think the point of this is that regun paved the way for trumpft better than even bushco.

Honoring the ss and nazi graves was a new one, I hadn't heard that before.

SCantiGOP

(13,874 posts)
5. And I'm sure not defending RR
Tue Oct 30, 2018, 11:15 PM
Oct 2018

I just think Trump is at least twice as bad.
We survived 8 years of Reagan with our Constitution, 1st Amendment and Judiciary intact. Where will these be in two more years? That is scary.

misanthrope

(7,428 posts)
9. Trump is merely more brazen
Wed Oct 31, 2018, 12:41 AM
Oct 2018

The sentiments and motivations behind it all -- using fear of "the other" to destroy government in service of greed -- are pretty much the same. To assign Reagan nobility is to fall for prestidigitation.

And it's no accident Trump ascended to public consciousness during the "Greed is good" 1980s. He is as much a part of the era as Yuppies and Michael Milken.

Trump can be more brazen than the 40th POTUS because of the changes to our nation, society and culture set in motion by the Reagan administration. Trump is what Reagan hath wrought.

yankeepants

(1,979 posts)
6. I was in college and the editor of
Tue Oct 30, 2018, 11:43 PM
Oct 2018

The weekly student newspaper when Reagan was elected. I saw money for scholarships and financial aid disappear overnight. Kids who were working toward degrees had to drop out. It was the beginning of the dumbing down. The war on education and awareness. The rise of the privileged class. I saw Reagan and his cronies as the most divisive force in my history. He used every Hollywood trick to woo the masses to believe he was the hero who had come to save America from the “weak/peace loving “ Democrats. All shoulder pads, makeup, hair dye, and script, he was able to dupe the fools well past time that his Alzheimer’s should have rendered him incompetent.

Progressive Jones

(6,011 posts)
7. Reagan was a GOP boot licking puppet. Never got the justice he deserved. nt
Tue Oct 30, 2018, 11:55 PM
Oct 2018

I am disgusted by displays of Reagan Worship.

moondust

(20,006 posts)
8. And more.
Wed Oct 31, 2018, 12:24 AM
Oct 2018

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Remember the furor over "Senator" Obama's talk in 2008 about people "clinging to their guns"? He really seemed to get it:

...You go into some of these small towns in Pennsylvania, and like a lot of small towns in the Midwest, the jobs have been gone now for 25 years and nothing’s replaced them. And they fell through the Clinton administration, and the Bush administration, and each successive administration has said that somehow these communities are gonna regenerate and they have not. So it’s not surprising then that they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren’t like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/mayhill-fowler/obama-no-surprise-that-ha_b_96188.html

I think this explains a lot about what is going on now with "nationalist" Trump, other strongmen in Europe and elsewhere, and the continued growth of racism, hate, and opioids. Many local economies are struggling because they're based on small business, and they're not likely to recover much as long as Reagan/Thatcher/Trump/Republican neoliberal policies continue to concentrate so much of the wealth by rewarding wealth rather than work.

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