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Tom Rinaldo

(22,912 posts)
Sat Nov 3, 2018, 11:17 AM Nov 2018

Our earliest American colonists weren't "the best Europe had to offer"

At least not in the eyes of those holding power they weren't. They were misfits, heretics, radicals and/or impoverished if not literally enslaved. Many were considered criminals and/or subversives. Our nation was founded in large part by people who were seen as "cultists" in England: Puritans, Quakers and the like. Maryland was an early refuge for Catholics who were denigrated by the British Crown. The first (non native) Americans were mostly castoffs, unwanted at home and often unable to provide for their families without fleeing their country of origin. They were virtually all refugees. As were the many generations of immigrants who followed them here. The early elites of America could never have built this nation without them.

No, the refugees who populated America supposedly weren't the best that their homelands had to offer. They didn't come here bearing great wealth. Very few of them found welcome on these shores because of the technical skills they possessed. But collectively they built one of the greatest nations the world has ever known. They had courage, they had perseverance, they had the will to make a better life for their children, and in the process they built a better nation for us all.

Only the worst that America has to offer see poor people walking thousands of mile with their children and only the few possessions they can carry on their back as a grave threat to this nation. Only the worst that America has to offer see those who flee torture rape starvation and death as an invading force who threaten our security and American values.

And on top of everything else, those who fear the slow approach of "a caravan" of a few thousand hungry unarmed refugees are quite simply pathetic. Whether or not all of them should be welcomed here, whether or not all of them are walking this way for officially sanctioned reasons, they do not create a national emergency for America. Their numbers would barely add up to a halfway decent crowd at one minor league baseball game. If history is any guide, and it damn well should be, they ultimately have far more to ultimately offer America than our nation may offer to them. These are the type people that America has always been made of.

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Our earliest American colonists weren't "the best Europe had to offer" (Original Post) Tom Rinaldo Nov 2018 OP
Very well said. marybourg Nov 2018 #1
Hey! Your blanket condemnation includes... Grasswire2 Nov 2018 #2
Yes good for nothings like your relatives made this nation great Tom Rinaldo Nov 2018 #5
Many of the first few generations here were lied to and treated badly Maeve Nov 2018 #3
Australia was a penal colony in those days. roamer65 Nov 2018 #4
Right, I was thinking about penal colonies and indentured servants and slaves Tom Rinaldo Nov 2018 #6
Australia got the criminals. We got the religious fanatics. Aristus Nov 2018 #7
I would agree. roamer65 Nov 2018 #8
Exactly. Criminals don't tell you you're going to Hell if you don't join them in Aristus Nov 2018 #9
Exactly treestar Nov 2018 #13
That Was One of the Best Things I've Ever Read Leith Nov 2018 #10
K and R Ferrets are Cool Nov 2018 #11
Very insightful; thanks! hostalover Nov 2018 #12
I remember a College professor describing the earliest colonist as wretched refuse of Europe. gordianot Nov 2018 #14
Have you ever driven through New Mexico? world wide wally Nov 2018 #15
Neither were some of the later ones, especially like the DRUMPFs!1 UTUSN Nov 2018 #16
Exactly! Quite the contrary, in fact. Many were the scum of the continent. jcmaine72 Nov 2018 #17
There will always be people who are scum, but they mostly don't come from the poor Tom Rinaldo Nov 2018 #20
Thank you, homegirl Nov 2018 #18
You are welcome. Absolutely you may pass it on n/t Tom Rinaldo Nov 2018 #19

Grasswire2

(13,569 posts)
2. Hey! Your blanket condemnation includes...
Sat Nov 3, 2018, 12:20 PM
Nov 2018

...my ancestor Elizabeth Tilley, who came to the New World in 1620 as a girl who was then orphaned the first winter, and my ancestor John Howland, who came as a manservant to Carver and became so respected that he was a signatory to the Mayflower Compact. They were not elites nor were they horrible people. They were just people. Terrified at times, likely.

Tom Rinaldo

(22,912 posts)
5. Yes good for nothings like your relatives made this nation great
Sat Nov 3, 2018, 01:04 PM
Nov 2018

The elites wouldn't even know how to raise a barn or plow a filed. Let alone build a nation.

Maeve

(42,282 posts)
3. Many of the first few generations here were lied to and treated badly
Sat Nov 3, 2018, 12:29 PM
Nov 2018

Quite a large number were sent here unwillingly to their deaths. AND YET...(as you point out) and yet, they persevered, they made the best they could of what they had and produced something greater than the sum of their parts.

It's an unfinished work in progress--we still have a lot to do to live up to the ideals we have preached these past centuries. And we need new hands helping, new people who come here because of the promises those ideals hold out for a better future.

Tom Rinaldo

(22,912 posts)
6. Right, I was thinking about penal colonies and indentured servants and slaves
Sat Nov 3, 2018, 01:06 PM
Nov 2018

All the Irish who the British didn't want to deal with among them, and among those some of my own relatives. Someone like Trump is a parasite, not a nation builder.

Aristus

(66,328 posts)
7. Australia got the criminals. We got the religious fanatics.
Sat Nov 3, 2018, 01:15 PM
Nov 2018

I think Australia got the better of that deal...

roamer65

(36,745 posts)
8. I would agree.
Sat Nov 3, 2018, 01:18 PM
Nov 2018

At least with criminals, you know where you stand.

ALL religious cultists are lying, sniveling backstabbers.

Aristus

(66,328 posts)
9. Exactly. Criminals don't tell you you're going to Hell if you don't join them in
Sat Nov 3, 2018, 01:19 PM
Nov 2018

their lives of crime.

treestar

(82,383 posts)
13. Exactly
Sat Nov 3, 2018, 02:09 PM
Nov 2018

Australia got that role because, after the American Revolution, America was no longer available to the British for it.

Leith

(7,809 posts)
10. That Was One of the Best Things I've Ever Read
Sat Nov 3, 2018, 01:44 PM
Nov 2018

It was excellent. It describes my immigrant ancestors perfectly.

gordianot

(15,237 posts)
14. I remember a College professor describing the earliest colonist as wretched refuse of Europe.
Sat Nov 3, 2018, 02:10 PM
Nov 2018

They introduced scalping to the native population then complained when they got scalped in return.

jcmaine72

(1,773 posts)
17. Exactly! Quite the contrary, in fact. Many were the scum of the continent.
Sat Nov 3, 2018, 02:20 PM
Nov 2018

A trait that is still reflected in a sizable percentage of the European population in the U.S. Today. Just look at the South.

Tom Rinaldo

(22,912 posts)
20. There will always be people who are scum, but they mostly don't come from the poor
Sat Nov 3, 2018, 02:26 PM
Nov 2018

The worst come from those who force others to live in poverty. All those Daughters of the American Revolution types who take such pride now in their ancestors should acknowledge that most of those ancestors ended up here because Europe at the time thought that they were scum.

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