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shockey80

(4,379 posts)
Sun Nov 4, 2018, 01:37 PM Nov 2018

The Mueller investigation is a conspiracy investigation, which means:

Mueller is investigating whether or not Trump and his people are traitors. Mueller has already proven Russia attacked us. Any American who went along with that attack, or knew about and did not report it, covered it up, is a traitor.

How can you not impeach? Not doing so would be saying it's OK to be a traitor. This investigation is much worse than Watergate.

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Squinch

(50,949 posts)
1. Impeachment without conviction is meaningless, and the republican Senate would
Sun Nov 4, 2018, 01:39 PM
Nov 2018

let a Democratic House impeachment die on the vine regardless of what Mueller comes up with.

In which case, I say indict rather than impeach.

empedocles

(15,751 posts)
9. Impeachment is, at a minimum, seriously public information.
Sun Nov 4, 2018, 01:51 PM
Nov 2018

My sense of talking not very political voters; is that conspiracy information like Russia/Deutsch Bank 'loans' and their implications - is beyond the radar of many, many voters. Most voters still realize Russia is an enemy. That could change things. That, and 'con realization that voters are getting better informed . . .

Squinch

(50,949 posts)
12. OK, yours and other arguments are making me change my mind about impeachment.
Sun Nov 4, 2018, 01:53 PM
Nov 2018

We should, just because we should. But I do not expect that the Senate will follow up. However, as you say, the information aspect of it is key.

But in ADDITION, I say we should arrest all their asses.

unblock

(52,227 posts)
10. Well, it wouldn't technically accomplish anything, buy politically,
Sun Nov 4, 2018, 01:51 PM
Nov 2018

It would force republican senators to go on record voting to support Donnie remaining president despite the accusations and evidence.

The same party, and some of the same people, who insisted Clinton needed to be removed for being deceptive in a minor civil case.

I don't know if this would damage them any more than they're already damaged, but we have to consider the political pros and cons of going through the impeachment process even knowing it won't result in removal.

BadgerKid

(4,552 posts)
15. I'm tired of the Eeyore worldview.
Sun Nov 4, 2018, 02:08 PM
Nov 2018

I'd rather see dems try and fail than to not even bother trying. We're entitled to that much seeing as how republicans persist with "but her emails"

erronis

(15,257 posts)
17. Agree. If all prosecutors don't bother trying since they might lose, why have any system of justice?
Sun Nov 4, 2018, 04:27 PM
Nov 2018

And if the first time doesn't succeed, then the facts have been presented for another time.

The RW machine has tried to wear down our opposition hoping that we'd just go home without even trying. Let's keep on trying and eventually convict them!

albacore

(2,399 posts)
3. The Senate might not convict..
Sun Nov 4, 2018, 01:45 PM
Nov 2018

... considering its makeup, but the House has a clear duty. Their job is to examine the situation, hold hearings, make recommendations, and if it's warranted, vote out bills of impeachment.

Anything else is dereliction of their duty.

All of the shit HAS to come out... and let the chips fall where they may. The American people need to know what trump has done. The Repubs may still back him, but that's not Congress' problem.

Squinch

(50,949 posts)
7. The Senat WILL NOT convict. They have shown us what they are and we should believe
Sun Nov 4, 2018, 01:50 PM
Nov 2018

them.

Therefore, in addition to impeachment, all parties should be indicted and arrested in ever narrowing circles around trump until he is the last one standing and is forced to use the ridiculous "you can't indict a sitting president" shtick. If he loses that, he's indicted. If he wins it, he is an outed crook spitting in the wind.

 

Bfd

(1,406 posts)
4. We need to get rid of a Whole Bunch of RW Traitors on Tuesday.
Sun Nov 4, 2018, 01:46 PM
Nov 2018

Replace them all come January so Mueller's indictments on all of them can be successful.

SC may be a problem, (which was the reason for Gorsuch & Kavanaugh being seated) because you know they'll take anything Federal to the SC, but much is being sent thru the States which Trump can't touch.

I would think that Trump has to be severly damaged first, then the proof of conspiracy/espionage will follow easily with the rest of the traitors.

My theory only, and I'm just offering a guess here.

I still hold out trust that Mueller & our foreign allies have readied a masterful case that will never stand up to a challenge.


 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
6. Mueller would have to find a tape of trump telling Ruskies that
Sun Nov 4, 2018, 01:47 PM
Nov 2018

ignorant white wingers are worthless scum, except they are easy to fool. Even, then, they’d believe trump when he says it’s “fake news.”

hvn_nbr_2

(6,486 posts)
11. I've thought all along that indicting all those Russians was the preliminary step...
Sun Nov 4, 2018, 01:53 PM
Nov 2018

...to indicting (or labeling as unindicted co-conspirators) for treason.

N_E_1 for Tennis

(9,722 posts)
14. If found to be treason...
Sun Nov 4, 2018, 01:59 PM
Nov 2018

The laws we have to punish treasonous individuals are really kinda weak. 10,000 fine, 5 years prison time, can’t hold office for US government.

What about the firing squad, hanging, lifetime imprisonment, loss of all material ownership?
At very least exile.

Now I’m not saying anyone is a traitor or whom they may be or condoning any of the actions I mentioned, just wanted to know.

Thomas Hurt

(13,903 posts)
16. The GOP Congressional caucus is not going to do a thing...
Sun Nov 4, 2018, 02:11 PM
Nov 2018

until Trump's actions have seriously endangered their congressional/senate seats. The Blue Wave might be the start to that, but I doubt it. IMHO Trump will have to do something that the GOP can't come back from and by that time it will be too late.

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