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Try to tell a bunch of Natives they can't do something & look what happens... (Original Post) kpete Nov 2018 OP
Righteous. raging moderate Nov 2018 #1
Post removed Post removed Nov 2018 #9
Just got up and you gave me my first hard laugh of the day. Doreen Nov 2018 #29
Can we all just stop with the cultural stereotypes? Cuthbert Allgood Nov 2018 #33
Post removed Post removed Nov 2018 #41
Why don't you just come right out and call me a "snowflake" FFS. Cuthbert Allgood Nov 2018 #42
Do you have any idea how ignorant and insulting that statement is? pangaia Nov 2018 #43
Native American Group Fourdirections is Working F&F to GOTV- Also in Arizona- **Donation links Here: Onward AND Upward Nov 2018 #45
That's right! 2naSalit Nov 2018 #2
Talk about beating the war drums!! Way to go!!!!! nt SWBTATTReg Nov 2018 #3
Yikes. Might want to rethink comments like that. Cuthbert Allgood Nov 2018 #17
yeah, tell me.. and that comment about a peace pipe. pangaia Nov 2018 #25
Yup. Would hope DU would be better than that. Cuthbert Allgood Nov 2018 #34
Get over it. I wasn't preaching violence or the like, just that they were churning up the voters... SWBTATTReg Nov 2018 #35
Using racist stereotypes. Cuthbert Allgood Nov 2018 #36
So says you. What about your interpretation of my innoculous remarks and turning it into a SWBTATTReg Nov 2018 #37
"Beating the war drum" when talking about Indigenous Peoples. Yeah, I'll stick with it being racist Cuthbert Allgood Nov 2018 #39
Unless you are Native American zentrum Nov 2018 #46
Wow. That is just as ignorant and insulting as the other poster's comment about a 'peacepipe.' pangaia Nov 2018 #44
Fabulous. Standing Rock voters make a statement! oasis Nov 2018 #4
I hope that has fired them up all over the nation. The main town on our local reservation brewens Nov 2018 #5
Good. irisblue Nov 2018 #6
Their Voices Count-Glad They're Taking Action dlk Nov 2018 #7
Same thing happens with AA or any other group grantcart Nov 2018 #8
It's like 4% Drahthaardogs Nov 2018 #10
Well you may not want to be but yeah, you're a downer lunatica Nov 2018 #12
The graph says it went from 1% to 4% Drahthaardogs Nov 2018 #14
It's still a 400% increase in turnout. lunatica Nov 2018 #15
Yes, but that's how folks use statistics to create a narrative Drahthaardogs Nov 2018 #16
You see glass half empty lunatica Nov 2018 #18
I've been here too long. I remember the joy when exit polls Drahthaardogs Nov 2018 #20
It looks like you think optimism and hopefulness are weaknesses lunatica Nov 2018 #21
I'm cautiously optimistic Drahthaardogs Nov 2018 #23
I believe you lunatica Nov 2018 #24
I saw that as well. JohnnyRingo Nov 2018 #22
But what? LanternWaste Nov 2018 #26
But without knowing what the y-axis is a percentage of, Drahthaardogs Nov 2018 #32
The left scale is based on a normalized "1" - meaning everyone who voted in 2014. George II Nov 2018 #27
We'll take it! CrispyQ Nov 2018 #31
I'm glad to see this but it's also sad to be reminded of the apathy in 2016. yardwork Nov 2018 #11
Hillary had 3 million more votes than Trump lunatica Nov 2018 #13
Not sure what this means FakeNoose Nov 2018 #19
We don't have the raw numbers, PoindexterOglethorpe Nov 2018 #28
Wavoka's promise sagetea Nov 2018 #30
Fabulous! But I credit their own leaders for this. Hortensis Nov 2018 #38
It still depends on turnout today. herding cats Nov 2018 #40
WE LOVE YOU, STANDING ROCK! debsy Nov 2018 #47
I hope they had time to get their IDs & addresses in order, so all the votes will be counted! Honeycombe8 Nov 2018 #48

Response to raging moderate (Reply #1)

Response to Cuthbert Allgood (Reply #33)

Cuthbert Allgood

(4,946 posts)
42. Why don't you just come right out and call me a "snowflake" FFS.
Tue Nov 6, 2018, 04:10 PM
Nov 2018

Do you not realize that the "peace pipe" thing is a horrible stereotype that you might not want to use? I mean, you can't really be that obtuse.

I have no "tender sensibility." I just don't fucking like racism. Sorry for that.

pangaia

(24,324 posts)
43. Do you have any idea how ignorant and insulting that statement is?
Tue Nov 6, 2018, 04:20 PM
Nov 2018


I can not imagine anyone here saying something like that.

Onward AND Upward

(122 posts)
45. Native American Group Fourdirections is Working F&F to GOTV- Also in Arizona- **Donation links Here:
Tue Nov 6, 2018, 06:17 PM
Nov 2018

They have been (since Oct 9th), working to get out the Native American vote in North Dakota. Knocking on doors, driving people to the polls, making ID's, sometimes on the spot at the polling place & feeding voluteers. They came up with the idea to circumvent the voter supression law that requires residential addresses. They are helping to GOTV in Nevada, North Dakota, Apache, Coconino and Navajo, Counties in Arizona, and San Juan County, Utah. Any money left over they will use for court battles and to GOTV in 2020. Donation links are:

https://www.crowdpac.com/campaigns/388864/take-back-the-senate-in-2018-by-getting-native-americans-to-the-polls?ref_code=carousel&source_code=fourdirections

Or if you want to include a short inspiration or thank-you note, use their website Paypal link:

http://www.fourdirectionsvote.com/donation

Thread with more details:
https://www.democraticunderground.com/100211360747#post28

Cuthbert Allgood

(4,946 posts)
17. Yikes. Might want to rethink comments like that.
Tue Nov 6, 2018, 11:18 AM
Nov 2018

Plus, the Lakota and Dakota were not warring tribes even if you are going to try defend the comment.

SWBTATTReg

(22,156 posts)
35. Get over it. I wasn't preaching violence or the like, just that they were churning up the voters...
Tue Nov 6, 2018, 02:10 PM
Nov 2018

in a positive way.

Cuthbert Allgood

(4,946 posts)
36. Using racist stereotypes.
Tue Nov 6, 2018, 02:17 PM
Nov 2018

And inaccurate ones, given the tribe in question.

But, hey, you do you, I guess.

SWBTATTReg

(22,156 posts)
37. So says you. What about your interpretation of my innoculous remarks and turning it into a
Tue Nov 6, 2018, 02:21 PM
Nov 2018

'stereotype', and making sound like a racist remark? Yes, I'll do me and you stick to yours.

Cuthbert Allgood

(4,946 posts)
39. "Beating the war drum" when talking about Indigenous Peoples. Yeah, I'll stick with it being racist
Tue Nov 6, 2018, 02:29 PM
Nov 2018

Way to dig in, though, rather than taking a moment to realize why it is racist.

zentrum

(9,865 posts)
46. Unless you are Native American
Tue Nov 6, 2018, 08:30 PM
Nov 2018

...yourself, you really don't get to decide what is and what is not racist, stereotyping or offensive about that characterization.

No matter how "positive" you "feel".

pangaia

(24,324 posts)
44. Wow. That is just as ignorant and insulting as the other poster's comment about a 'peacepipe.'
Tue Nov 6, 2018, 04:23 PM
Nov 2018


Not something I would expect to see here...

brewens

(13,612 posts)
5. I hope that has fired them up all over the nation. The main town on our local reservation
Tue Nov 6, 2018, 09:37 AM
Nov 2018

has regular street addresses. So do all of the other smaller towns I think, even though they don't get home mail delivery anymore. So they couldn't pull that crap with the addresses around here.

Drahthaardogs

(6,843 posts)
16. Yes, but that's how folks use statistics to create a narrative
Tue Nov 6, 2018, 11:17 AM
Nov 2018

If there were 100 people who were eligible voters and last time 1% or 1 person voted early, this time 4 did, it's a 400% increase, bit still just 4 people.

lunatica

(53,410 posts)
18. You see glass half empty
Tue Nov 6, 2018, 11:23 AM
Nov 2018

But the glass is also half full. There’s a universe of difference in attitude there. So you’re at least honest about bringing others down.

Drahthaardogs

(6,843 posts)
20. I've been here too long. I remember the joy when exit polls
Tue Nov 6, 2018, 11:29 AM
Nov 2018

Said Kerry beat Bush. I remember too well 2016. Ive been here 15 years under one name or another. I HOPE Heidi wins, but I'm going to be realistic too. I'm not celebrating until it's official.

lunatica

(53,410 posts)
21. It looks like you think optimism and hopefulness are weaknesses
Tue Nov 6, 2018, 11:42 AM
Nov 2018

I’m willing to bet I’m every bit as realistic as you are. I’ve been around for quite a while too.

Drahthaardogs

(6,843 posts)
23. I'm cautiously optimistic
Tue Nov 6, 2018, 11:49 AM
Nov 2018

And when I see buggered statistics I am going to point it out. I am a scientist and use stats everyday.

JohnnyRingo

(18,638 posts)
22. I saw that as well.
Tue Nov 6, 2018, 11:45 AM
Nov 2018

A 400% increase may only be the difference between 50 early votes two years ago to 200 this year. Assuming the chart only includes Standing rock, that may well be possible. It doesn't say.

My youngest granddaughter began voting this year, so total grandchildren voting in my family is up a whopping 20%. It's our Blue Wave.

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
26. But what?
Tue Nov 6, 2018, 11:59 AM
Nov 2018

"Not to be a downer, but ...."

Independent clauses are critical to communication... regardless of whether communication is to you.

George II

(67,782 posts)
27. The left scale is based on a normalized "1" - meaning everyone who voted in 2014.
Tue Nov 6, 2018, 12:16 PM
Nov 2018

If 100,000 people voted in 2014, that's "1". So this year the number of people voting would be 414,000.

If it was 10,000 in 2014, it's 41,400 this year, etc.

Simply stated - FOUR TIMES the number of people who voted in 2014 turned out to vote in 2018.

yardwork

(61,690 posts)
11. I'm glad to see this but it's also sad to be reminded of the apathy in 2016.
Tue Nov 6, 2018, 11:02 AM
Nov 2018

Our election in 2016 was sabotaged by outsiders intent on destroying our democracy. Too many people were too easily persuaded to vote against their interests - or not vote at all - and as a result we have Trump, a Republican Congress, and the destruction of our judicial branch.

I hope that we can begin to turn things around today but to be honest, lifelong damage has already been inflicted and will continue to occur.

Reminders of 2016 make me angry.

lunatica

(53,410 posts)
13. Hillary had 3 million more votes than Trump
Tue Nov 6, 2018, 11:05 AM
Nov 2018

Just a reminder that the people’s overwhelming choice was ignored by an ossified electoral college.

FakeNoose

(32,703 posts)
19. Not sure what this means
Tue Nov 6, 2018, 11:23 AM
Nov 2018

Are they saying that they have 4 times as many voters this year, compared to 2016?
Or is it the same number of voters overall, but 4x more are early voting?

PoindexterOglethorpe

(25,873 posts)
28. We don't have the raw numbers,
Tue Nov 6, 2018, 12:16 PM
Nov 2018

and while early voting being up is nice, if there are no new voters in the end, it may not matter.

sagetea

(1,374 posts)
30. Wavoka's promise
Tue Nov 6, 2018, 12:23 PM
Nov 2018

of the Ghost Dance. Also, there are comments about a Peace Pipe and war drums, I hope those individuals read up on what a peace pipe truly is and understand the meaning of war drums.


Ho`
sage

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
38. Fabulous! But I credit their own leaders for this.
Tue Nov 6, 2018, 02:27 PM
Nov 2018

Ordinary people have a powerful history of just accepting when told they can't. Someone or some people here made something very good happen. State legislature in 2 years?

herding cats

(19,566 posts)
40. It still depends on turnout today.
Tue Nov 6, 2018, 02:44 PM
Nov 2018

ND is a weird one. Their never voted tally in EV was down by almost 80% from 2014. Some of that may have been due to the voter ID matter, and some may be apathy.

EV modeled Dem - 12,490

EV modeled Rep - 67,840

EV modeled Unclear - 19,946

However, nailing party affiliation in ND and predictions on how a person will vote are often off.

The good news is I heard the turnout of the Natives is good and their paper ID's are being accepted! Keep hoping, and if you're there drive people to the polls, make calls to remind people to vote and help GOTV!

Honeycombe8

(37,648 posts)
48. I hope they had time to get their IDs & addresses in order, so all the votes will be counted!
Tue Nov 6, 2018, 09:15 PM
Nov 2018

The Native Americans were targeted...and they showed what they think of THAT! Maybe the suppression backfired.

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