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MichMary

(1,714 posts)
Thu Nov 8, 2018, 08:49 AM Nov 2018

Tucker Carlson is a racist a*hole, but this is just wrong

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2018/11/08/they-were-threatening-me-my-family-tucker-carlsons-home-targeted-by-protesters/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.20a179ebaac6

‘They were threatening me and my family’: Tucker Carlson’s home targeted by protesters
‘We know where you sleep at night’: Protesters surround Tucker Carlson’s home
A group of protesters gathered outside the Northwest D.C. home of Fox News host Tucker Carlson on Nov. 7. (Drea Cornejo/The Washington Post)


Boycott advertisers, but physically threatening someone at his home, with his family present will not produce the results the protesters hope for.

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Tucker Carlson is a racist a*hole, but this is just wrong (Original Post) MichMary Nov 2018 OP
this is the sound Mr. Quackers Nov 2018 #1
Again, he has a wife and kids who have school and bedtime and they all have the right to feel safe.. LincolnRossiter Nov 2018 #3
+1 n/t MichMary Nov 2018 #9
+1 ChazII Nov 2018 #19
his racism and abhorrent right wing ideologies Mr. Quackers Nov 2018 #25
+1000 dchill Nov 2018 #54
Indeed ck4829 Nov 2018 #81
100% correct. nt Doremus Nov 2018 #140
So we want a USA where vigilante-ism rules the day? Not me. We're better than this. nt LAS14 Nov 2018 #146
Well, you can have your high horse Mr. Quackers Nov 2018 #148
Let's a mob form outside your home while your kids are inside True Dough Nov 2018 #152
Sympathy for the racist Mr. Quackers Nov 2018 #158
You chose appropriately with a name like Mr. Quackers True Dough Nov 2018 #161
Mr. Quackers is the name of one of my ducks Mr. Quackers Nov 2018 #164
Tucker should do what? True Dough Nov 2018 #169
Tucker can go fuck himself for all I care Mr. Quackers Nov 2018 #170
Yeah, it's consistent with my wardrobe sporting "I love racists" emblazoned across everything True Dough Nov 2018 #173
Shouldn't put their children in treestar Nov 2018 #189
thank you gopiscrap Nov 2018 #157
Wow, you sound tough. Tipperary Nov 2018 #206
+1000 gopiscrap Nov 2018 #156
It isn't who we are Johnny2X2X Nov 2018 #61
"This isn't supposed to be who we are" Seeking Serenity Nov 2018 #65
You assume the account is true. I do not...as for a rights, Kavanaugh's accuser's kids had Demsrule86 Nov 2018 #67
thank you gopiscrap Nov 2018 #160
We are supposed to just swallow any BS they say but the GOP can send Nazis to Charlottesville and Demsrule86 Nov 2018 #175
Been gone so thank you...and as it turned out the the door was not broken and the entire thing Demsrule86 Nov 2018 #209
I don't give two shits about Tucker's situation. LenaBaby61 Nov 2018 #171
Agree completely. Fuck him. Demsrule86 Nov 2018 #174
That is precisely why you should care. Ms. Toad Nov 2018 #204
except it didn't happen EleanorR Nov 2018 #205
I watched the videos, and read numerous reports. Ms. Toad Nov 2018 #208
Who in the world said the people doing this is "we" !!???! FAUX News does false flags all the time. uponit7771 Nov 2018 #68
Day after an election seems like a great time for a false flag... LincolnRossiter Nov 2018 #73
+1 uponit7771 Nov 2018 #75
So did Blasey-Ford- dawg day Nov 2018 #83
By all means, lower yourself to his level and then still presume to sit in judgment... LincolnRossiter Nov 2018 #85
Of course we sit in judgement.. Permanut Nov 2018 #89
Great retort. How about not justifying terrible behavior by saying "they do it too..." LincolnRossiter Nov 2018 #94
Insulting folks who disagree with you isn't nice either. I will wait to find out what really Demsrule86 Nov 2018 #177
actions have consequences krawhitham Nov 2018 #105
Then maybe he should think about what he does budkin Nov 2018 #135
So should every literal murderer's family be targets of murder? Are we justified in getting every LincolnRossiter Nov 2018 #141
and we have a legal right to call him on it and shame him to his family gopiscrap Nov 2018 #163
agreed gopiscrap Nov 2018 #162
who said it is us? I don't know who these protesters are, and they don't represent me, and I am still_one Nov 2018 #137
they don't give a damn if we feel safe or respected gopiscrap Nov 2018 #155
Then he shouldn't have a news show where Butterflylady Nov 2018 #165
Tucker should send his fucking kids to a child detention John Fante Nov 2018 #172
thank you gopiscrap Nov 2018 #153
Yeah saw that earlier. It's fucked up. The guy has young kids. LincolnRossiter Nov 2018 #2
Public heckling is good, MichMary Nov 2018 #11
I haven't watched Fox since 1999 (except to laugh on election night in 2012). I have no idea who his LincolnRossiter Nov 2018 #38
I agree MichMary Nov 2018 #40
I guess this buttercup Mr. Quackers Nov 2018 #30
I don't give a shit about his feelings. EllieBC Nov 2018 #197
Shady as hell. Tommy_Carcetti Nov 2018 #4
if the White House press secretary is willing to post doctored videos... irresistable Nov 2018 #15
Yeah and they accuse the left of hiring GWC58 Nov 2018 #32
russian/cricist actors ? stonecutter357 Nov 2018 #5
I think so. Why don't we ever hear about Antifa, unless it's paired alongside RW talking points? dewsgirl Nov 2018 #12
Hmmmm . . . MichMary Nov 2018 #13
+1 uponit7771 Nov 2018 #70
This is the sort of this that could lead to ... Odoreida Nov 2018 #6
Antifa isn't a real thing, people. Nt Tommy_Carcetti Nov 2018 #10
So who were the guys in front of Carlson's house? n/t Odoreida Nov 2018 #14
No clue. Tommy_Carcetti Nov 2018 #18
I never said Antifa are liberals, but I'm pretty sure they exist. n/t Odoreida Nov 2018 #26
Why are you sure? irresistable Nov 2018 #50
Well, I'm assuming there were actual people involved. That's about it, though. Tommy_Carcetti Nov 2018 #52
"Smash Racism" eShirl Nov 2018 #22
Even if you think it isn't a "real thing," MichMary Nov 2018 #17
Of course. Tommy_Carcetti Nov 2018 #20
Hmm. Now that I'm thinking it over ... Odoreida Nov 2018 #28
They are real. MarvinGardens Nov 2018 #88
Websites are easy to create and maintain. Tommy_Carcetti Nov 2018 #97
They aren't liberals and don't claim to be. MarvinGardens Nov 2018 #128
Again, it's not that there aren't people who go to events and say they are "Antifa." Tommy_Carcetti Nov 2018 #138
The Klan were and are real, and hid their identities. MarvinGardens Nov 2018 #145
This is what I wanted to say... disillusioned73 Nov 2018 #121
Uh, they've been around for a long fucking time... vi5 Nov 2018 #133
Well, whatever you claim.... Tommy_Carcetti Nov 2018 #139
Admittedly, their existence is inconvenient for us for two reasons. MarvinGardens Nov 2018 #159
Antifa is some made up winger shit uponit7771 Nov 2018 #72
So, Magically....they close down the street and crack his front door... irresistable Nov 2018 #7
I'm sure Tucker was extremely vociferous in his condemnation of the bullwinkle428 Nov 2018 #8
His show threatens the lives of many, many minorities on a daily basis. jrthin Nov 2018 #16
Absolutely... feel so sorry for that asshole. Not! InAbLuEsTaTe Nov 2018 #23
Amen.. disillusioned73 Nov 2018 #122
This is conflicting... In It to Win It Nov 2018 #21
So out of shits to give. n/t rzemanfl Nov 2018 #24
I have approximately as much sympathy... Spider Jerusalem Nov 2018 #27
Antifa needs to back off on this crap, the threats and intimidation and violence Thomas Hurt Nov 2018 #29
Antifa is a Russian front all day long. nt Baltimike Nov 2018 #33
They may be, but if approximately 1/4 of the posters in this thread so far are supporting or... LincolnRossiter Nov 2018 #39
I don't support it but it happens to us all the times...and I don't see the GOP doing a thing about Demsrule86 Nov 2018 #45
Protest is an American right. Banging on a citizen's door (when he isn't even home) certainly isn't. LincolnRossiter Nov 2018 #46
If a person goes on your property, call the cops. But I highly doubt this is a true account...liars Demsrule86 Nov 2018 #66
His wife called the cops. LincolnRossiter Nov 2018 #69
Anything is possible...any arrests? Demsrule86 Nov 2018 #142
No arrests. And sure, anything's possible. Maybe it was martians. LincolnRossiter Nov 2018 #143
Yes, it is out of the question. This is not how liberals function. irresistable Nov 2018 #62
this nt Baltimike Nov 2018 #87
Tucker Carlson can change his abhorrent traitorous rhetoric Mr. Quackers Nov 2018 #37
Yeah, MichMary Nov 2018 #42
You get what you give Mr. Quackers Nov 2018 #51
Bingo... disillusioned73 Nov 2018 #126
Whose door did Tucker Carlson break down and whose property did he vandalize? xor Nov 2018 #193
Link and quote to Antifa existing outside of winger world uponit7771 Nov 2018 #74
Links you requested. MarvinGardens Nov 2018 #95
Those are websites not an organization with people that can be contacted. uponit7771 Nov 2018 #114
The contact phone number literally says "voicemail only" Tommy_Carcetti Nov 2018 #125
+1, MAGA Nationalist on mixed Forum sites use Antifa ad nausea as a WhatAboutIsm argument excuse for uponit7771 Nov 2018 #130
See post 128. MarvinGardens Nov 2018 #129
This smacks of horseshit. nt Baltimike Nov 2018 #31
This sounds like total BULLSHIT tenderfoot Nov 2018 #34
Yep. nt Tommy_Carcetti Nov 2018 #53
Yes ten to one it is treestar Nov 2018 #63
+1 uponit7771 Nov 2018 #76
False flag propaganda. I can't believe that people fall for this. yardwork Nov 2018 #96
The OP is so concerned tenderfoot Nov 2018 #192
+1 geardaddy Nov 2018 #198
You reap what you sow. nt UniteFightBack Nov 2018 #35
He was probably never in any danger MrScorpio Nov 2018 #36
According to the article, he wasn't in any danger because MichMary Nov 2018 #43
Nor are his kids. WillowTree Nov 2018 #47
This ANTIFA crap is a bunch of false-flag bullshit. Russian front group. yodermon Nov 2018 #41
Thank you. nt Tommy_Carcetti Nov 2018 #49
I was just saying this to my friend yesterday. Never heard of this group it was made up boogeyman. Pisces Nov 2018 #55
Thank you !!! MAGA Terrorist continue to try and associate Antifa with the left and there's no valid uponit7771 Nov 2018 #77
I agree ronatchig Nov 2018 #84
Oh, you've never heard of them? Well then by all means they must be a front group. vi5 Nov 2018 #134
+100 LAS14 Nov 2018 #147
Your ignorance of their existence doesn't equate their non-existence Devil Child Nov 2018 #207
I have zero sympathy for those who get on the air and lie their heads off for Trump and the GOP. Demsrule86 Nov 2018 #44
How did he and his ilk treat Christine Blasey Ford and her family? Generic Other Nov 2018 #48
This. area51 Nov 2018 #186
Will never understand why so many people here awesomerwb1 Nov 2018 #56
Sounds like some rather delicious chum. LanternWaste Nov 2018 #57
+1 violetpastille Nov 2018 #132
This does not pass my smell test Botany Nov 2018 #58
Gosh I just used up my last Give A Fuck. Maybe next year I'll grow some more. Autumn Nov 2018 #59
Yes. The action was stupid and counterproductive. nt Blue_true Nov 2018 #60
Unless it was a Republican operation all along DFW Nov 2018 #71
Strikes me as a false flag. KPN Nov 2018 #64
Nah, Tucker Carlson would never make something like this up /sarcasm uponit7771 Nov 2018 #78
Something smells G_j Nov 2018 #79
Carlson gave how many shits about immigrant children??? HopeAgain Nov 2018 #80
Tucker lies multiple times a day on national TV RhodeIslandOne Nov 2018 #82
Maybe his love for his own children can lead him to empathy for the children of others. David__77 Nov 2018 #86
He could hide them in a caravan ? Nobody is looking at caravans lately.... OnDoutside Nov 2018 #90
He has put his own family at risk. ooky Nov 2018 #91
No excuse. WillowTree Nov 2018 #104
Not saying it as an excuse. ooky Nov 2018 #111
One thing we know for sure mokawanis Nov 2018 #92
Those people and their apologists are not us. Kaleva Nov 2018 #93
Especially since this was probably faked by non/progressives. yardwork Nov 2018 #98
Yes. Radical leftists are not progressives. Kaleva Nov 2018 #103
This message was self-deleted by its author uponit7771 Nov 2018 #115
I never said anything about Antifa did I? Kaleva Nov 2018 #117
wrong post, deleted uponit7771 Nov 2018 #123
I'm relatively new here and I can tell you that your post, as encouraging as it is... LincolnRossiter Nov 2018 #100
Disheartening, isn't it? WillowTree Nov 2018 #102
One doesn't have to be an actual progressive to be a member of DU. Kaleva Nov 2018 #108
I do so hope you enjoy your stay ...welcome. Demsrule86 Nov 2018 #178
Is there any evidence that this actually occurred? yardwork Nov 2018 #99
Yes. There are pictures. There was also a video on Twitter, but it's been taken down. WillowTree Nov 2018 #101
That is suspicious. Demsrule86 Nov 2018 #179
What's suspicious about it? WillowTree Nov 2018 #180
Probably fake... Demsrule86 Nov 2018 #199
Could you post the pictures? yardwork Nov 2018 #200
BTW - don't buy into what the deplorables are twisting this into. Initech Nov 2018 #106
They're threatening and harassing Jim Acosta and his family at their home? WillowTree Nov 2018 #182
No just anonymously on the twittersphere. Initech Nov 2018 #188
Big difference, don't you think? WillowTree Nov 2018 #194
When I was in high school, some students committed vandalism on my behalf. David__77 Nov 2018 #107
I have doubts that this occurred. MontanaMama Nov 2018 #109
Yes, "antifa" exists. David__77 Nov 2018 #112
No, it does not. There's no organization called Antifa with contact points. It's mostly winger world uponit7771 Nov 2018 #116
Similarly, there's not organization could "alt right." David__77 Nov 2018 #120
Just because you keep saying this... vi5 Nov 2018 #136
Maybe dad could switch careers BeyondGeography Nov 2018 #110
I hope he took Lindsay's advice and called the police. 33taw Nov 2018 #113
He wasn't at home, but I hope his wife took that measure. WillowTree Nov 2018 #183
White supremacists disillusioned73 Nov 2018 #118
And thankfully, no one of any weight or gravity is arguing otherwise. LanternWaste Nov 2018 #119
Twitter has banned this thug group, but FB needs to act. Hortensis Nov 2018 #124
The ideology he trumpets seeks to Jake Stern Nov 2018 #127
As always, this stuff gets blown out of proportion jcmaine72 Nov 2018 #131
The right can always count.. disillusioned73 Nov 2018 #144
They were pounding on & throwing themselves against the front door to the point that they cracked it WillowTree Nov 2018 #184
Let me guess: Mr. Quackers Nov 2018 #149
Stephen Colbert responds regarding Tucker Carlson BlueIndyBlue Nov 2018 #150
+1 for Stephen Colbert True Dough Nov 2018 #154
+1 Kaleva Nov 2018 #167
Cowardice is right. WillowTree Nov 2018 #185
That was a very classy response. Initech Nov 2018 #191
+1 RelativelyJones Nov 2018 #203
Upon looking into this...don't buy it...no arrests? Sounds like rightie BS. Demsrule86 Nov 2018 #151
I'm all out of fucks to give... Just a Weirdo Nov 2018 #166
LOVE IT Mr. Quackers Nov 2018 #168
Post removed Post removed Nov 2018 #176
All this does is provide more kacekwl Nov 2018 #181
To hell with Tucker Carlson, and the evil regime for which he provides daily pimp service. (nt) Paladin Nov 2018 #187
And this is also feeding into the narrative that we're violent lunatics. Initech Nov 2018 #190
Fuck him and the horse he rode in on: Blue_Tires Nov 2018 #195
Post removed Post removed Nov 2018 #196
Terrible. applegrove Nov 2018 #201
This was an out and out lie by Carlson: Kingofalldems Nov 2018 #202

LincolnRossiter

(560 posts)
3. Again, he has a wife and kids who have school and bedtime and they all have the right to feel safe..
Thu Nov 8, 2018, 08:54 AM
Nov 2018

at home. This isn't supposed to be who we are.

 

Mr. Quackers

(443 posts)
25. his racism and abhorrent right wing ideologies
Thu Nov 8, 2018, 09:09 AM
Nov 2018

are an existential threat to many people who have wives and children

 

Mr. Quackers

(443 posts)
148. Well, you can have your high horse
Thu Nov 8, 2018, 12:22 PM
Nov 2018

Nobody is trying to string up the dickweed from the streetlights or anything.

Spew shit, get shit in return.

So tough shit for the buttercup, he needs to get to sucking it up.

True Dough

(16,959 posts)
152. Let's a mob form outside your home while your kids are inside
Thu Nov 8, 2018, 12:27 PM
Nov 2018

and see how quickly you change your mind.

 

Mr. Quackers

(443 posts)
158. Sympathy for the racist
Thu Nov 8, 2018, 12:31 PM
Nov 2018

how endearing.

You can come here if you want, do you like mayo or mustard on your sandwiches? I suppose you guys will be hungry by the time you get here.

Plus, we don't serve alcoholic beverages, so you'll have to settle for Diet Pepsi or plain water. From the tap.

Do you like dogs? No children here, just a couple of dogs. But they like to play though.

True Dough

(16,959 posts)
161. You chose appropriately with a name like Mr. Quackers
Thu Nov 8, 2018, 12:36 PM
Nov 2018

I can't stand Tucker Carlson, but I wouldn't advocate scaring the shit out of anyone's kids to try to make yourselves feel better. C'mon! You think Tucker is going to change his stance on anything one bit due to an angry protest outside his home?

This only further inflames the alt-right. It edges things closer to violence between the Proud Boys and the Antifa types. There's no solution there.


 

Mr. Quackers

(443 posts)
164. Mr. Quackers is the name of one of my ducks
Thu Nov 8, 2018, 12:39 PM
Nov 2018

It is rather touching that you have so much sympathy for racists though. Fuckboy Carlson shouldn't put his children in that position. There are consequences to actions. Give shit out, get shit in return.

Nice ad hominem! Shows you probably have nothing of value to actually contribute.

Fuck what Tucker Carlson thinks, fuck what the alt-right thinks. Why are you so concerned about what they think anyway? Why do you have sympathy for racists? Come clean, it's okay.

Bless your heart, dear.

True Dough

(16,959 posts)
169. Tucker should do what?
Thu Nov 8, 2018, 12:52 PM
Nov 2018

Put his kids in detention centers with the immigrant children rather than have them at home?

Keep stacking up the wrongs to see if you can make a right. You're the real valuable contributor here. Just ducky!

 

Mr. Quackers

(443 posts)
170. Tucker can go fuck himself for all I care
Thu Nov 8, 2018, 12:57 PM
Nov 2018

you're spoiling for something, hope you figure out where you actually stand.

You're very adamant and consistent in your defense of and sympathy for racists though - it shows real commitment.

True Dough

(16,959 posts)
173. Yeah, it's consistent with my wardrobe sporting "I love racists" emblazoned across everything
Thu Nov 8, 2018, 01:13 PM
Nov 2018
and also my longstanding signature quote from Barack Obama. Get a clue!

treestar

(82,383 posts)
189. Shouldn't put their children in
Thu Nov 8, 2018, 02:41 PM
Nov 2018

That position is what the right wing has said about separated immigrant children and those with DACA.

Has tucker used that one himself?

Johnny2X2X

(18,457 posts)
61. It isn't who we are
Thu Nov 8, 2018, 10:06 AM
Nov 2018

This is a group that we on the left bare no responsibility for. They are responsible for themselves, not us.

Seeking Serenity

(2,823 posts)
65. "This isn't supposed to be who we are"
Thu Nov 8, 2018, 10:24 AM
Nov 2018

May not supposed to be, but, regrettably, it is who we are now. Just read the comments in this thread for confirmation of that :

Boo [effing] hoo. I don't care. If only he'd become a progressive Democrat, this wouldn't happen to him or his family. He deserved it. He probably staged it on his own. I don't believe it happened, but so what if it did?

Et cetera, et cetera.

So yeah, it is who we, as progressives, are now. Not all participate, but most support this kind of stuff (or even worse) Get used to it.

By all means, please call it out and denounce it, loudly and forcefully. But be prepared to be called a Nazi for doing so and to be banned from progressive forums. Or you could stay silent and thus be complicit. Or you could join in. Or you could leave. At the end of the day, those are your only choices.

Demsrule86

(68,063 posts)
67. You assume the account is true. I do not...as for a rights, Kavanaugh's accuser's kids had
Thu Nov 8, 2018, 10:26 AM
Nov 2018

rights too...I don't give two shits about Tucker's situation.

Demsrule86

(68,063 posts)
175. We are supposed to just swallow any BS they say but the GOP can send Nazis to Charlottesville and
Thu Nov 8, 2018, 01:16 PM
Nov 2018

threaten anyone who disagrees with Trump...if there is a camera...why no arrests if this is true? Thanks!

Demsrule86

(68,063 posts)
209. Been gone so thank you...and as it turned out the the door was not broken and the entire thing
Tue Nov 13, 2018, 09:04 PM
Nov 2018

was a lie....new it was untrue...no arrests.

LenaBaby61

(6,954 posts)
171. I don't give two shits about Tucker's situation.
Thu Nov 8, 2018, 01:04 PM
Nov 2018

Same here. FUCK HIM.

He spews racism like he's a fountain. He's also the same person who thinks cops should use black folks for target practice (Philando Castile), and oh if they get murdered because the cops are SCARED so fucking what. Feel sorry for that? Uh NOPE.



Karma is a beyotch IF this story is even true, because he put his family into harms way, but then again, I don't believe most of the shit coming out of a FAUX news person's lying, racist mouth (Shep Smith/Juan Williams are the exceptions, & Sometimes Chris Wallace shows signs of having some decency).



Ms. Toad

(33,812 posts)
204. That is precisely why you should care.
Sun Nov 11, 2018, 11:43 AM
Nov 2018

If we condone this kind of behavior because we disagree with their politics, then we have to accept that what their side did because they believe Dr. Blasey Ford was a policital hack who was lying is also acceptable.

Ms. Toad

(33,812 posts)
208. I watched the videos, and read numerous reports.
Sun Nov 11, 2018, 02:50 PM
Nov 2018

I know exactly what happened - and it is not the kind of tactics we ought to be using.

Standing outside a person's house, shouting veiled threats, "“we know where you sleep at night,” and, “We’ll be back! We won’t tell you when!” is not an appropriate response to a political difference.

uponit7771

(90,164 posts)
68. Who in the world said the people doing this is "we" !!???! FAUX News does false flags all the time.
Thu Nov 8, 2018, 10:27 AM
Nov 2018

... I'll wait, these bastards are Russian level propagandist

Fuck Carlson

dawg day

(7,947 posts)
83. So did Blasey-Ford-
Thu Nov 8, 2018, 10:33 AM
Nov 2018

And he was loudly impugning her.

Everyone's family should be off-limits, of course. But these people only object when they're the target, and that should be pointed out.

LincolnRossiter

(560 posts)
85. By all means, lower yourself to his level and then still presume to sit in judgment...
Thu Nov 8, 2018, 10:39 AM
Nov 2018

It's a very American thing to do.

LincolnRossiter

(560 posts)
94. Great retort. How about not justifying terrible behavior by saying "they do it too..."
Thu Nov 8, 2018, 10:55 AM
Nov 2018

That's a 5 year-old's opinion.

Demsrule86

(68,063 posts)
177. Insulting folks who disagree with you isn't nice either. I will wait to find out what really
Thu Nov 8, 2018, 01:22 PM
Nov 2018

happened. Also, I don't give two shits about Tucker.

budkin

(6,658 posts)
135. Then maybe he should think about what he does
Thu Nov 8, 2018, 11:44 AM
Nov 2018

He makes life more dangerous for other peoples' families, why should his family be spared?

LincolnRossiter

(560 posts)
141. So should every literal murderer's family be targets of murder? Are we justified in getting every
Thu Nov 8, 2018, 11:55 AM
Nov 2018

drug dealer's kid hooked on drugs?

Just to be clear, I don't think this would be justified if that piece of shit Tucker lived alone. He has a legal right to spread his racism and bullshit on that bullshit propaganda station that's been a thorn in our national discourse for 20 years until someone decides that he doesn't. People, however, don't have a legal right to follow him home and commit acts of criminal trespassing, disturbing the peace, intimidation, communicating threats, etc. The fact that he has a wife and young children only makes it worse.

Are you all 10 years old or something? This isn't how you beat the ideology of hatred. You go at it with knowledge and reason.

As an aside, if some clowns holed my wife up in the kitchen cupboard because they didn't like my politics I'd knock their goddamned heads off.

gopiscrap

(23,629 posts)
163. and we have a legal right to call him on it and shame him to his family
Thu Nov 8, 2018, 12:39 PM
Nov 2018

and his neighbors. One of the problems in letting tuckers shit go unchecked is that his evil spawn will take on the same opinions of the father... perhaps if they see that people hate their foather for his vile opinions and they will be shunned they'll eithefr shut the fuck up when they are adults or they will change their opinions

still_one

(91,595 posts)
137. who said it is us? I don't know who these protesters are, and they don't represent me, and I am
Thu Nov 8, 2018, 11:45 AM
Nov 2018

sure they don't represent most if not all here.

They speak only for themselves.

As for Hannity, if he is being harassed in his residence by these protesters, he should call the cops on them


gopiscrap

(23,629 posts)
155. they don't give a damn if we feel safe or respected
Thu Nov 8, 2018, 12:28 PM
Nov 2018

we need to start fighting fire with fire otherwise they will just run over us

John Fante

(3,479 posts)
172. Tucker should send his fucking kids to a child detention
Thu Nov 8, 2018, 01:10 PM
Nov 2018

center in the middle of the desert. I hear it's just like summer camp!

gopiscrap

(23,629 posts)
153. thank you
Thu Nov 8, 2018, 12:27 PM
Nov 2018

we have got to quit playing nice...there has to be PERSONAL consequences for assholes, otherwise they will just get bolder

LincolnRossiter

(560 posts)
2. Yeah saw that earlier. It's fucked up. The guy has young kids.
Thu Nov 8, 2018, 08:52 AM
Nov 2018

It's not my thing (I live in DC and have seen him out and about a time or two) but if you want to heckle him on the sidewalk or at the gym or whatever, be my guest. He's a giant, racist douchebag (or pretends to be) and deserves no respect. But leave a man be in and near his home.

LincolnRossiter

(560 posts)
38. I haven't watched Fox since 1999 (except to laugh on election night in 2012). I have no idea who his
Thu Nov 8, 2018, 09:24 AM
Nov 2018

sponsors are and don't care. He's toxic, but he's found his already toxic audience. And I wouldn't heckle him. I'm saying if that's someone's particular jam, have at. Disturbing a man's home, however, is fucked up. Full stop. It's extra fucked up when he has four small children.

Anyone who can't see that can't be reasoned with. We have laws of war that at least are supposed to prevent this kind of shit in times of literal pitched conflict.

 

Mr. Quackers

(443 posts)
30. I guess this buttercup
Thu Nov 8, 2018, 09:14 AM
Nov 2018

might just need to suck it up, being the special snowflake he is.

oh, and "fuck his feelings."

Tommy_Carcetti

(43,012 posts)
4. Shady as hell.
Thu Nov 8, 2018, 08:54 AM
Nov 2018

Liberals are not going to intentionally feed Trump’s “mob” narrative, and anything “Antifa” immediately raises red flags.

GWC58

(2,678 posts)
32. Yeah and they accuse the left of hiring
Thu Nov 8, 2018, 09:17 AM
Nov 2018

“crisis actors” when it’s actually they, RWNJ assholes, doing the “acting.” 😡😈😠 Not sure if this is what happened here, just that it wouldn’t surprise me.

 

Odoreida

(1,549 posts)
6. This is the sort of this that could lead to ...
Thu Nov 8, 2018, 08:56 AM
Nov 2018

... Antifa being hunted down and exterminated.

Do you really out that past Trump?

Tommy_Carcetti

(43,012 posts)
18. No clue.
Thu Nov 8, 2018, 09:03 AM
Nov 2018

There’s no legitimate liberal organization known as Antifa though.

It’s a right wing bogeyman.

Tommy_Carcetti

(43,012 posts)
52. Well, I'm assuming there were actual people involved. That's about it, though.
Thu Nov 8, 2018, 09:49 AM
Nov 2018

People claiming to be "Antifa" are either anarchists who just like chaos for chaos sake, or I suspect agent provocateurs of sorts meant to make the left look bad.

We're talking about people who claim they need to wear masks all the time. I mean....why? If I'm going to protest, you're going to see my face.

We didn't hear anything about "Antifa" until Trump was elected and after that, any event where there are left leaning protesters involved where there is any sort of chaos or violence, it always comes as a result of "Antifa."

It just reeks so much of bullshit.

MichMary

(1,714 posts)
17. Even if you think it isn't a "real thing,"
Thu Nov 8, 2018, 09:03 AM
Nov 2018

it could actually lead to crackdowns on protests, maybe even lethal force being used against peaceful protesters. I don't think that we want that.

 

Odoreida

(1,549 posts)
28. Hmm. Now that I'm thinking it over ...
Thu Nov 8, 2018, 09:12 AM
Nov 2018

... agents provocateurs maybe?

I certainly encountered enough of those back in the Vietnam era.

Tommy_Carcetti

(43,012 posts)
97. Websites are easy to create and maintain.
Thu Nov 8, 2018, 10:56 AM
Nov 2018

Do the "Atlanta Antifa" have regular meetings? What are the requirements to join? What are the monthly dues? Who brings donuts?

Or do they just have a website?

There are real people who dress up in masks and create havoc for reasons unknown (IMHO most likely either because they like chaos or they are there to make liberals look violent) but as far as these groups existing as legitimate, real organizations advancing liberal interests......they don't.

MarvinGardens

(779 posts)
128. They aren't liberals and don't claim to be.
Thu Nov 8, 2018, 11:35 AM
Nov 2018

The real false flag isn't the existence of Antifa itself. It's the association of liberals and Democrats with Antifa, when there is basically no overlap. If you read their literature, you will see that they are critical of liberals, and that liberal society will allow fascist organizing that they find unacceptable. They also believe voting is useless and do not advocate for Democrats.

To answer your questions about their authenticity, this investigative reporter and newspaper interviewed some and believes they are real.

https://www.myajc.com/news/national-govt--politics/ajc-watchdog-who-are-trump-troublemakers/BEPqz8EiEkzZ5MPamlH5cJ/

That article is linked to others about their disruption of a Stone Mountain rally. You may hit a paywall if you click too many.

I do not know if they have regular meetings, as I am not a member nor have I attempted to contact them. Most of what the Atlanta group does is mundane: doxxing racist organizers and tearing down racist flyers they find around the city. But the occasional "direct action" they engage in makes a big ruckus and is thus easier to find on Google.

The rather mundane content of much of their actions and writings also gives me a gut feeling that they are real. It is just too much slow and steady work over the years to be a false flag operation, and not be exposed by now. The Atlanta group will link to other Antifa twitter feeds in other cities, and thus I assume those other groups are real as well. Occasionally they will accuse a given feed of being false flag as well.

If you believe this group is fake, do let me know your reasons. I would feel foolish if that were the case, but I would not want to be on here pushing false info.

Tommy_Carcetti

(43,012 posts)
138. Again, it's not that there aren't people who go to events and say they are "Antifa."
Thu Nov 8, 2018, 11:46 AM
Nov 2018

I just don't see them as a legitimate organization and the fact they shroud themselves in so much secrecy about everything (hiding names and faces, etc.) to the point where you can't even directly verbally communicate with them.

And that makes me question what ulterior motives they have in doing whatever it is they do, and who might be promoting them.

I suppose they could just be legitimate anarchists who hate everybody and love chaos. But their name has been used so much by the right in associating the left with violence that I wonder about certain events they are associated with.

And this being Tucker Carlson, creator of the Daily Caller which is notorious for spreading misleading or outright false propaganda, I am especially circumspect here. The MAGABomber was an embarrassment for the right and an attempt to "both sides" political violence could be used to minimize that embarrassment.

MarvinGardens

(779 posts)
145. The Klan were and are real, and hid their identities.
Thu Nov 8, 2018, 12:17 PM
Nov 2018

It's not the dumbest thing for them to do if they are engaging in criminal activities. I am not attempting to draw a moral equivalency between Antifa and the Klan, but rather am countering the point of anonymous = fake. Also, that reporter was able to communicate with them, and as with government leakers and those in the criminal underworld, the reporter protected their anonymity.

While Antifa argues that their direct actions are "community self-defense", the law views some of them as criminal, and their fascist targets might want to hurt them, so they have every reason to hide their identities.

 

vi5

(13,305 posts)
133. Uh, they've been around for a long fucking time...
Thu Nov 8, 2018, 11:40 AM
Nov 2018

....their presence has been smaller here in the US until recently with the rise of racism, but just because the folks on here are just hearing about them and just learning about their works doesn't mean they aren't a real thing or as some like to say a "russian front group" or whatever else.

And they've saved many a friend of mine from a beating at the hands of neo nazis, and protected those of who have lived in parts of the country dealing with this scourge long before Trump was a glimmer in the eye of the Republican party and while many on here have had their thumbs up their asses still believing in "bipartisanship" and "going high when they go low".

Tommy_Carcetti

(43,012 posts)
139. Well, whatever you claim....
Thu Nov 8, 2018, 11:51 AM
Nov 2018

....here Tucker Carlson of Daily Caller infamy gets to say he is the victim of political violence right after the MAGABomber thing got eggs on the faces of so many of the right. The right has beat the "Antifa" horse to death just like they've beat the "George Soros" and "Saul Alinsky" horses to death and I'm just saying that it's a little too convenient of a "both sides" narrative to lessen the blow of recent instances of actual right-wing violence and extremism.

MarvinGardens

(779 posts)
159. Admittedly, their existence is inconvenient for us for two reasons.
Thu Nov 8, 2018, 12:34 PM
Nov 2018

1. Many Americans, and the press, only are capable of putting political actors into two bins: left/liberal and right/conservative. Antifa get put into the left/liberal bin by the press and those who have a motive to do so.

2. In America, political violence has the opposite effect on public opinion as the effect desired by the violent actor, and this works in concert with #1 above. Right wing violence helps us and hurts Republicans. Left wing violence (less common nowadays) hurts us and helps Republicans.

But because it is inconvenient for us, does not mean we should not acknowledge the truth. I read a RW board where the members are quite detached from reality. You've probably heard of it. In their world, every white nationalist who commits violence is a false flag actor or a patsy, including the recent pipe bomber. They just will not accept reality when it is politically inconvenient for them. I do not want us to be like that.

 

irresistable

(989 posts)
7. So, Magically....they close down the street and crack his front door...
Thu Nov 8, 2018, 08:57 AM
Nov 2018

and no one is arrested?

That doesn't sound like the DC police that I know.

bullwinkle428

(20,625 posts)
8. I'm sure Tucker was extremely vociferous in his condemnation of the
Thu Nov 8, 2018, 08:57 AM
Nov 2018

multiple pipe-bomb efforts against many of Shitler's outspoken critics.

jrthin

(4,813 posts)
16. His show threatens the lives of many, many minorities on a daily basis.
Thu Nov 8, 2018, 09:02 AM
Nov 2018

His show plays a part in working up racists and anti-semites that they feel they can send pipe bombs or walk into a church or synagogue and murder people.

In It to Win It

(8,042 posts)
21. This is conflicting...
Thu Nov 8, 2018, 09:05 AM
Nov 2018

I dislike Tucker Carlson. He weaponizes and radicalizes all the millions of people that watche that shit excuse of a television network...

But I don’t agree with going to someone’s house and protesting or disturbing the peace. But at the same time, I feel like that’s something you risk when you become a public figure... and at the same time, I couldn’t care less about Fucker Carlson.

 

Spider Jerusalem

(21,786 posts)
27. I have approximately as much sympathy...
Thu Nov 8, 2018, 09:11 AM
Nov 2018

as I would for reading about the same thing happening to Josef Goebbels or Julius Streicher.

Thomas Hurt

(13,903 posts)
29. Antifa needs to back off on this crap, the threats and intimidation and violence
Thu Nov 8, 2018, 09:14 AM
Nov 2018

should not be tactic of the left in America.

LincolnRossiter

(560 posts)
39. They may be, but if approximately 1/4 of the posters in this thread so far are supporting or...
Thu Nov 8, 2018, 09:27 AM
Nov 2018

justifying this, is it so out of the question that some actual liberals are involved in it? It's disgusting. This is little better than the "proud boys" and the rest of those fascist clowns.

Demsrule86

(68,063 posts)
45. I don't support it but it happens to us all the times...and I don't see the GOP doing a thing about
Thu Nov 8, 2018, 09:39 AM
Nov 2018

it. I have no sympathy for those who lie for a living and spend their lives dividing our country...as you sow so shall you reap. Protest is an American right. fuck him.

LincolnRossiter

(560 posts)
46. Protest is an American right. Banging on a citizen's door (when he isn't even home) certainly isn't.
Thu Nov 8, 2018, 09:41 AM
Nov 2018

And who's banging on your door simply because they think your politics are disgusting (which Tucker's definitely are)?

Yeah, fuck him. But this is stupid and so is your defense of fit.

Demsrule86

(68,063 posts)
66. If a person goes on your property, call the cops. But I highly doubt this is a true account...liars
Thu Nov 8, 2018, 10:25 AM
Nov 2018

going to lie.

LincolnRossiter

(560 posts)
69. His wife called the cops.
Thu Nov 8, 2018, 10:27 AM
Nov 2018

You think she decided to start filing false police reports the day after an election to somehow move the needle with false flags?

Use your head. This is why many people see the far left as being as obtuse and unreasonable as the far right.

LincolnRossiter

(560 posts)
143. No arrests. And sure, anything's possible. Maybe it was martians.
Thu Nov 8, 2018, 11:59 AM
Nov 2018

Highly implausible that some knuckleheads would harass a high-profile asshole like Tucker in DC...and film it. And post the film. And then have their accounts suspended.

You guys really sound like rightwing idiots with the false flag bullshit. Highly ideological and irrational people do stupid shit like this all the time. Sometimes people even get hurt.

 

irresistable

(989 posts)
62. Yes, it is out of the question. This is not how liberals function.
Thu Nov 8, 2018, 10:11 AM
Nov 2018

They don't break down doors. They don't joke about pipe bombs.

Also, they get arrested. This group is supposedly pounding on doors and cracking a door. They closed off the street.
Why weren't they arrested?

xor

(1,204 posts)
193. Whose door did Tucker Carlson break down and whose property did he vandalize?
Thu Nov 8, 2018, 03:03 PM
Nov 2018

Tucker is a smug jackass who I cannot stand, but what specific actions has he taken in your mind that justifies his family also being targeted by this? Like specifics, not some vague response that he's a racist fascist or whatever.

How do you feel about his wife and children's feelings?

Tommy_Carcetti

(43,012 posts)
125. The contact phone number literally says "voicemail only"
Thu Nov 8, 2018, 11:32 AM
Nov 2018

What sort of legit organization doesn't even allow for direct personal communication?

I'd be very suspicious of any organization that doesn't allow me to directly speak to another human being.

Anyone can make a website or a social media account.

uponit7771

(90,164 posts)
130. +1, MAGA Nationalist on mixed Forum sites use Antifa ad nausea as a WhatAboutIsm argument excuse for
Thu Nov 8, 2018, 11:35 AM
Nov 2018

... MAGARacism

treestar

(82,383 posts)
63. Yes ten to one it is
Thu Nov 8, 2018, 10:12 AM
Nov 2018

Orchestrated by Ticker to be a victim and claim that it proves liberals are terrible people. It has a right wing flavor to it

tenderfoot

(8,421 posts)
192. The OP is so concerned
Thu Nov 8, 2018, 03:01 PM
Nov 2018

hope they don't accidentally strangle themself by clutching those pearls too tightly.

MichMary

(1,714 posts)
43. According to the article, he wasn't in any danger because
Thu Nov 8, 2018, 09:36 AM
Nov 2018

he wasn't home, but his wife was.

I may not have much use for Carlson, but his wife shouldn't be intimidated. She's not on the air spewing hate.

yodermon

(6,143 posts)
41. This ANTIFA crap is a bunch of false-flag bullshit. Russian front group.
Thu Nov 8, 2018, 09:33 AM
Nov 2018

I've *never* heard of "ANTIFA" until the trump administration.
And this is through Occupy wall st, bush war protests, WTO protests, etc.... i've seen black block / anarchists but never the term "ANTIFA".. until now.

If they are not an outright front group of agents provocateurs then they have been co-opted/radicalized by enemy agents.

NON VIOLENCE SHOULD BE A DEFINING CHARACTERISTIC OF ANY VALID PROTEST.
IF YOU PEOPLE COMMITTING OR ADVOCATING FOR VIOLENT ACTS, THEY ARE THE DE FACTO ENEMY AND SHOULD BE DENOUNCED, FULL STOP.

sorry for shouting

Pisces

(5,580 posts)
55. I was just saying this to my friend yesterday. Never heard of this group it was made up boogeyman.
Thu Nov 8, 2018, 09:54 AM
Nov 2018

uponit7771

(90,164 posts)
77. Thank you !!! MAGA Terrorist continue to try and associate Antifa with the left and there's no valid
Thu Nov 8, 2018, 10:31 AM
Nov 2018

... connections between antifa and established leftist groups

ronatchig

(575 posts)
84. I agree
Thu Nov 8, 2018, 10:37 AM
Nov 2018

This is a false flag op. Pure and simple. I'm pretty sure that the left learned its lesson with the weatherman op and SDS back in the day. This is a moldie oldie from the fascist's handbook of social engineering. Not only are you able to plant fear in law abiding leftists. You get to train up the young and.more violent allies in tactics.

 

vi5

(13,305 posts)
134. Oh, you've never heard of them? Well then by all means they must be a front group.
Thu Nov 8, 2018, 11:42 AM
Nov 2018

Sorry, but many of us have heard of them long before Trump, and seen a lot of the good shit they've done protecting areas and communities that actually have had to deal with neo-nazis. Both here in the US and in other countries.

But by all means, continue asking the nazis and racists nicely to stop being so mean and beating and murdering people. Let me know how that works out for you.

 

Devil Child

(2,728 posts)
207. Your ignorance of their existence doesn't equate their non-existence
Sun Nov 11, 2018, 12:40 PM
Nov 2018

Antifa is very real. Now, Tucker’s tale is most likely fake new or gross exaggeration, but Antifa is a reality.

Demsrule86

(68,063 posts)
44. I have zero sympathy for those who get on the air and lie their heads off for Trump and the GOP.
Thu Nov 8, 2018, 09:36 AM
Nov 2018

What about Kavanaugh's accuser? She had to move and received death threats...there are consequences for lying for living and being a racist piece of shit.

area51

(11,822 posts)
186. This.
Thu Nov 8, 2018, 01:57 PM
Nov 2018

I'm wondering if she and her family will ever be able to go back to their house. Thoughts & prayers, Fucker Carlson.

awesomerwb1

(4,250 posts)
56. Will never understand why so many people here
Thu Nov 8, 2018, 09:58 AM
Nov 2018

give the benefit of the doubt to these hate and racism promoters.

There is no bottom for these guys. HAVE WE NOT LEARNED THAT YET??? Really?

Everybody needs to be critical, skeptical first before leaping in defense of these rats.

So these protesters know soooo much about Carlson, where he lives etc, but didn't know what time his show airs? They didn't know he was not home?

Seems legit.

DFW

(53,793 posts)
71. Unless it was a Republican operation all along
Thu Nov 8, 2018, 10:28 AM
Nov 2018

The DAY after we take back the House? We didn't have the time to organize something like this. This sounds like a pure Republican operation from start to finish, tailor-made for Fox Noise. I'm betting not one Democrat knew of this before the press reported it.

KPN

(15,557 posts)
64. Strikes me as a false flag.
Thu Nov 8, 2018, 10:15 AM
Nov 2018

I can't imagine any true Democrat throwing their body at the front door in an attempt to break it in. This is bullshit being orchestrated to validate physical oppression of protests and protestors they are certain to be faced with in the coming days.

Don't fall for this crap folks!

ooky

(8,838 posts)
111. Not saying it as an excuse.
Thu Nov 8, 2018, 11:11 AM
Nov 2018

Saying it as fact. He has responsbility for the lies and hate he has spread.

Kaleva

(36,059 posts)
93. Those people and their apologists are not us.
Thu Nov 8, 2018, 10:54 AM
Nov 2018

These types are consumed by hatred and live in a dark place. No different then hardcore Trump supporters. One can't call them and their apologists progressives or liberals because progressives and liberals don't make threats against others nor do we support those who do such things.

Kaleva

(36,059 posts)
103. Yes. Radical leftists are not progressives.
Thu Nov 8, 2018, 11:02 AM
Nov 2018

And these protesters could be radical right wingers involved in a false flag operation. Either way, they and their apologists are not progressives.

Response to Kaleva (Reply #103)

Kaleva

(36,059 posts)
117. I never said anything about Antifa did I?
Thu Nov 8, 2018, 11:26 AM
Nov 2018

My argument is that those who were involved and those who think this is okay are not progressives.

LincolnRossiter

(560 posts)
100. I'm relatively new here and I can tell you that your post, as encouraging as it is...
Thu Nov 8, 2018, 10:59 AM
Nov 2018

Would have been easier to believe before this very thread. Seems like a lot of people think this is either (1) okay or (2) implausibly fake, in spite of seeing it supported by some folks here.

yardwork

(61,226 posts)
99. Is there any evidence that this actually occurred?
Thu Nov 8, 2018, 10:59 AM
Nov 2018

Any evidence beyond Tucker's word? He's a known liar.

WillowTree

(5,325 posts)
101. Yes. There are pictures. There was also a video on Twitter, but it's been taken down.
Thu Nov 8, 2018, 11:00 AM
Nov 2018

The last time I looked, the account of the people who posted the video was suspended.

yardwork

(61,226 posts)
200. Could you post the pictures?
Thu Nov 8, 2018, 04:26 PM
Nov 2018

And why would the video be taken down and their accounts suspended? That makes it sound like the video was discovered to be fake.

Tucker Carlson is known to be a liar. The right-wing is known to make stuff like this up to make Democrats look bad.

Pics or it didn't happen.

Initech

(99,807 posts)
106. BTW - don't buy into what the deplorables are twisting this into.
Thu Nov 8, 2018, 11:03 AM
Nov 2018

I've got a couple of accounts captured - in one tweet they're claiming that Tucker Carlson is an innocent victim, the next tweet they're threatening and harassing Jim Acosta. You can't claim one and then do the opposite, that is blatant hypocrisy.

No matter which side you're on this is definitely wrong though.

WillowTree

(5,325 posts)
182. They're threatening and harassing Jim Acosta and his family at their home?
Thu Nov 8, 2018, 01:35 PM
Nov 2018

I haven't seen anything about that in the news.

Initech

(99,807 posts)
188. No just anonymously on the twittersphere.
Thu Nov 8, 2018, 02:29 PM
Nov 2018

I'm sure someone will try this though. Then knowing the right, they'll blow it off as a false flag.

David__77

(23,120 posts)
107. When I was in high school, some students committed vandalism on my behalf.
Thu Nov 8, 2018, 11:08 AM
Nov 2018

I was, and am, gay. There were some other students who didn't like that, and who threatened me with physical harm. Some female students who I didn't even know vandalized businesses of the parents of those students who threatened me.

Also, I did know "antifa" of that time - anti-racist skinheads and other anti-racist activists. They offered to defend me physically, if needed. They were prepared to put themselves on the line - I appreciated that.

One of the students who threatened me soon thereafter approached me. While I don't recall exactly what he said to me, he said something to the effect that he didn't want to be associated with the threats that were made against me.

To the extent that the cost of being openly racist and fascist can be raised very high, fewer people will do it. I'm not advocating for what those activists did outside Tucker Carlson's home. I'm saying that some people will choose their privacy and home over being an asshole.

MontanaMama

(23,168 posts)
109. I have doubts that this occurred.
Thu Nov 8, 2018, 11:09 AM
Nov 2018

I question whether the official existence of antifa at all since the RWNJ contingent constantly refers to them...sounds like propaganda to me. In light of the fact that our own WH is peddling doctored videos....If video of this even exists or existed, it may have been staged. So, IF this thing actually occurred, and I have my doubts...while I’m all for publicly calling out fascists and racists. I do not support this when there are kids in the picture. That’s frightening as hell...they love their dad even though we abhor him and all he stands for. They only know him as their dad.

David__77

(23,120 posts)
112. Yes, "antifa" exists.
Thu Nov 8, 2018, 11:16 AM
Nov 2018

I find it pretty easy to predict the coming rise of "left-wing extremism," including armed left-wing activity, in the period ahead. There are organized, right-wing movements creating the political grounds from which bombers and shooters are emerging.

I will not condemn the idea of confrontation with fascists and racists.

Prior to "antifa," there was Anti-Racist Action, John Brown Anti-Klan Committee, and I'm sure other anti-fascist groups who were committed to depriving freedom of action to fascists.

uponit7771

(90,164 posts)
116. No, it does not. There's no organization called Antifa with contact points. It's mostly winger world
Thu Nov 8, 2018, 11:23 AM
Nov 2018

... shit at this point.

"Antifa" is nothing like JBAKC etc

David__77

(23,120 posts)
120. Similarly, there's not organization could "alt right."
Thu Nov 8, 2018, 11:28 AM
Nov 2018

There are numerous Facebook groups, for instance, that refer to themselves as "antifa" and serve as hubs of organizing against fascists.

They're calling upon the imagery of the anti-Nazi German group Anti-Fascist Action.

Is there a single, official group called "Antifa?" No, there is not.

I do think there is such an entity as "antifa" - at least in my area.

 

vi5

(13,305 posts)
136. Just because you keep saying this...
Thu Nov 8, 2018, 11:44 AM
Nov 2018

...does not make it true. People's insistence on here of using that as a talking point that if they repeat it enough makes it true is just the same type of bullshit as the Republicans shouting "fake news" at things they don't like or want to admit.

BeyondGeography

(39,164 posts)
110. Maybe dad could switch careers
Thu Nov 8, 2018, 11:10 AM
Nov 2018

Go back to be just annoying like he was in the Crossfire days from full-on fascist enabler.

Would pay a lot less but it would be better for the kids.

 

disillusioned73

(2,872 posts)
118. White supremacists
Thu Nov 8, 2018, 11:26 AM
Nov 2018

get no sympathy from me... they want to wipe me & my family off the map, @ the ballot box and I am sure in many other ways.. because he wears a bow tie while doing it doesn't it make it OK

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
119. And thankfully, no one of any weight or gravity is arguing otherwise.
Thu Nov 8, 2018, 11:27 AM
Nov 2018

Simply a few outliers who know no consequences or relevance.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
124. Twitter has banned this thug group, but FB needs to act.
Thu Nov 8, 2018, 11:32 AM
Nov 2018

I don't care where on the political spectrum this kind of thuggery and extremism currently comes from, we have a duty to stop it.

I'd remind those who disagree that aggressively hostile extremists are changeable and even frequently interchangeable. People who would block off Carlson's street and vandalize his home while issuing death threats today could be turned against someone you support another time.

The fascist and communist parties in Europe around this time last century were always trying to seduce the others' followers to themselves, and often succeeding. That's why "socialist' was tucked into the archconservative Nazi party's name and how some who started as zealots on the far left became jackbooted right wing thugs.

Jake Stern

(3,145 posts)
127. The ideology he trumpets seeks to
Thu Nov 8, 2018, 11:34 AM
Nov 2018

- Turn my gay brother back into a non-person
- Strip my partner of her disability.
- Take away health insurance from our child

So yeah I take Carlson's ardent fascist apologia very, very personally.

Perhaps the protesters are wrong but truth be told I don't give a fuck what happens to this vile racist or his klan.

All my fucks are reserved for the people hurt by the kind of right wing asshattery this human cockroach espouses.

jcmaine72

(1,773 posts)
131. As always, this stuff gets blown out of proportion
Thu Nov 8, 2018, 11:37 AM
Nov 2018

No one was injured or physically intimidated. Antifa isn't even a centralized organization. It sounds more like a group of conscientious, like-minded people got together and held a peaceful vigil at the home of a known propagandist and racist. I don't see any other facts that contradict that.

 

disillusioned73

(2,872 posts)
144. The right can always count..
Thu Nov 8, 2018, 12:08 PM
Nov 2018

on the so called center (corporate media included), to shit on the left, this is what we have right here..

It's the whole, disturbing good folks at restaurants compared with actual violence/murders from the right narrative all over again.. rinse & repeat

WillowTree

(5,325 posts)
184. They were pounding on & throwing themselves against the front door to the point that they cracked it
Thu Nov 8, 2018, 01:41 PM
Nov 2018

That doesn't sound like a "peaceful vigil" to me.

BlueIndyBlue

(96 posts)
150. Stephen Colbert responds regarding Tucker Carlson
Thu Nov 8, 2018, 12:25 PM
Nov 2018



Fighting Tucker Carlson’s ideas is an American right. Targeting his home and terrorizing his family is an act of monstrous cowardice. Obviously don’t do this, but also, take no pleasure in it happening. Feeding monsters just makes more monsters.

Response to MichMary (Original post)

kacekwl

(6,972 posts)
181. All this does is provide more
Thu Nov 8, 2018, 01:31 PM
Nov 2018

crap for him to whine about to his brain dead viewers. No help for us at all.


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