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[manor321]

1. Seems normal to me

Lots of small town rural conservative locations have few votes to count and can turn things in quickly. Larger metropolitan areas and mail in votes (which take longer to arrive) lean Democratic.

Plus, we had HUGE turnout.

[exboyfil]

26. Errors in recounts breaking our way

Kind of like when you review your grocery receipt and notice every error in pricing was in the store's favor. Kind of a statistical anomaly... or is it.

[greymattermom]

27. Provisional is required if the voter name was not in the Express Poll.

Kemp removed names of many voters who haven't voted recently. In my upscale, 60% Republican precinct in Dunwoody, we had 1 of those out of 700 voters. On the other hand, someone I know who lives in a heavily immigrant neighborhood in Stone Mountain told me that all ballots in her precinct had to be provisional. These are both Atlanta suburbs.

[Blue_true]

32. You saw what I have been seeing. nt

[Proud Liberal Dem]

38. How the hell does stuff like this happen

We are totally incompetent at running our elections- or certain individuals are anyway- deliberately or accidentally.

[sfwriter]

44. Local Republicans

We got to participate more at every level.

[Proud Liberal Dem]

45. Local politics is sexy

As my good friends at Hellbent Podcast like to say LOL

[unitedwethrive]

46. In traditionally repub controlled states, local election officials have been appointed by repub

Secretary of State’s offices, and many do not have any Democratic representation. This must be changed on a national legislative level, since national elections are often involved (among many other reasons).

[workinclasszero]

48. Because republicans are lyin thieves and actually hate democracy

They will steal every election they can.

[dweller]

2. not just you

I also wonder why they are just now counting early votes ?

I mean, voting early is a head start, avoiding Election Day crowds, etc..

so, early votes are only counted later ?
during recounts ?
or not at all ?

wtf ?
🤔

[manor321]

3. "Early" is when they are sent in, not counted

No votes are counted until election day.

If early votes are on paper, instead of on electronic machines, or fed to electronic machines, it takes time to count them.

[dweller]

7. no,

early is voted a week + before Election Day ... In sites set up for early voting...
paper ballots tabulated by machines that record the vote ...

✌🏼️

[LisaL]

12. Not everybody voted early.

Some people got early ballots but dropped them off on election day.

"But about 195,000 came from those who received early ballots but chose to drop them off at polling places Tuesday."

https://tucson.com/news/local/ballots-remain-uncounted-across-arizona-leaving-several-races-in-the/article_aa0b15d4-4a08-5689-91e3-74f899fffc4f.html

[Blue_true]

33. Right. nt

[RockRaven]

4. Mail-in/absentee and provisionals aren't appearing, they are just time-consuming to count

so they continue to be added to the totals as they are processed. The number of returned ballots waiting to be counted are known in these places, there is no mystery where they are coming from.

In many cases they do favor the Dems, but that is because the not-yet-counted backlogs in question are from more urban/population dense areas which are bluer on average.

[Crutchez_CuiBono]

8. So why is any race decided before all the votes are counted...period?

Count the votes, let us know. What's the point of early voting if they dont even figure into a rush to judgement "win"? Usually for the gop. Sick of this.

[LisaL]

13. In this particular case, isn't that what is going on?

Race wasn't decided before the ballots were counted. So I don't understand what you are having a problem with.

[Crutchez_CuiBono]

41. Oh...you know me...just problematic CC.

Sorry to have posted something that was on my mind.

[karynnj]

17. Usually the gap is bigger than the number of outstanding ballots

Or at least greater than the highest reasonable estimate of the margin for the candidate with the fewer all ready counted votes that will be deemed valid. One article on Florida quoted Marc Elias as having had to tell candidates that the numbers were not there AND that he never told Nelson that.

In the case of both Florida races and Arizona, the gaps were very small and there were significant numbers of votes not yet processed even as all the districts reported their voting day machine totals. I suspect what we saw this time is many very close races AND an increase in provisional ballot voting ( because of obstacles to voting increasing ?????) Note the latter explains why we are the ones winning close races when those votes are allowed. They are the ones using voter suppression.

[Codeine]

21. Races aren't decided before then.

They’re often “called” before then, but no election is complete until results are certified, which is often quite a while after Election Day.

[Mariana]

22. Please give an example of a race that was decided

before the votes were counted.

[Blue_true]

35. I am with you. That is an absurd claim for a progressive to make.

Usually when networks call a race, the outstanding votes that are to be counted won't change the basic outcome. But with more people mailing in ballots, the old dynamic has shifted.

[Mariana]

36. The network say outright when they "call" a race

that it's a projection. They're making an educated guess. They do not claim their projections are the same as final results.

[Crutchez_CuiBono]

40. Especially this time.

[LiberalArkie]

31. Just because the news says that X won by y votes does not mean anything

it is who the secretary of state certifies that matters. That sometimes takes quite a while.

[LeftInTX]

59. Races are "called" usually by the Associated Press or media

It is based on statistics.
It is non-binding and a media thing.

However, official counts continue afterward. (Obama's count after 2012 kept rising for several weeks)

In this election, we have some close calls in high profile races.

[fierywoman]

5. I'm waiting on the Beto ballots.

[Sugarcoated]

6. Is there a recount in that race?

[fierywoman]

10. Not that I'm aware of. But those hinky machines that were talked about -- if you voted

straight Dem but didn't wait long enough it went over to Cruz -- haunts me.

[pangaia]

34. What do you mean by if you "didn't wait long enough?"

[fierywoman]

47. Here:(you know Juanita Jean?)

http://juanitajean.com/heads-up-texans-5/

[pangaia]

58. Jesus ! Sounds like the same guy who designed G-MAIL and/or QUICKEN .

I have three college degrees and I can barely understand it.

Thanks.

[fierywoman]

60. (you're very welcome, as always.)

[DFW]

9. I don't know what it is like in other parts of Texas

But Dallas County is very good about sending me my absentee ballots very early. I sent in my vote for Beto and the rest of the Democratic slate for Texas (voted individually, not straight party) more than three weeks before the election.

[LisaL]

11. It's just you.

Ballots don't appear out of thin air.
In big states like AZ there are lots of ballots that haven't been counted by the evening of the election day.
Provisional ballots, absentee ballots, etc.
AZ especially has a large number of such ballots, the same was in the last election.

[Cha]

14. I'm amazed! It's

surreal

[FloridaBlues]

15. Palm beach county should have let the candidates and media know many ballots uncounted

Every vote matters. Look for s Repub food fight down here.

[kentuck]

16. Who makes the decision to count the "most Democratic" counties last??

Which, in close races, would make it look as if the Republicans have insurmountable leads, causing some Democrats to concede their races too early?

[LisaL]

18. Democratic counties are usually large urban counties.

It takes longer for them to count than for small rural counties.

[JI7]

19. they aren't counting them last. it just takes longer to count them because there are far more people

in democratic leaning areas.

this is why people always think republicans are leading in california when the numbers first start being reported.

[Baitball Blogger]

20. I think, what you're seeing is a combination of

1) New voters making newbie mistakes that force them to use provisional ballots. For example, many new voters who registered in the waning months may have moved from one county to the next. If they went to vote in their new precinct and didn't have time to update their addresses, they would have been required to use a provisional ballot.

2) Voter suppression tactics that force voters to use those provisional ballots, which do not always get counted. Well, guess what? As long as Democratic candidates do not concede, those votes have to be dug up and counted.

3) Larger population and the machines may not have been updated.

[FSogol]

23. Also: 4) An increase in early, mail-in, and absentee voting in response to long lines &

voter suppression on election days

5) Backwater RW states not assigning enough people to tally votes quickly.

[sfwriter]

24. Yes

These causes seem to be the main ones. Democrats shouldn’t concede anymore until provisionals and mail ins get counted.

[NoMoreRepugs]

28. Hinky vote counting, provisional ballots not counted, etc. ....

It's common in a third world country like ours.

[Adrahil]

29. Ballots aren't "appearing"

IN some areas, ballots keep arriving until election day. I a few, they can even be MAILED by election day.

Amd all these ballots have to be counted by HAND. IN some cases, they just have big bins of ballots and don;t even know how many they have.

Don't feed the narrative.

[sfwriter]

51. What narrative?

The Republicans "lost" an entire bin of provisional ballots in one state. This wasn't the "narrative" yesterday when I posted. The Republicans created a "narrative" out of it to hide the scale of it. I haven't seen this before. I asked if it was out of scale. I'd like to see hard numbers.

[Blue_true]

30. It is normal.

The turnout in the election was huge. For some reason, a large percentage of blue voters like to mailin, often last minute.

[gopiscrap]

37. I don't care either way as long as they're Democratic ballots

I'm all for us cheating if it wins us elections, some times that's the only way to win against the crooked repukes

[regnaD kciN]

39. It seems like your question is now the Repug party-line...

...to my not-at-all surprise.

[sfwriter]

52. Of course it is...

They are accusing us of what they have done. These ballots are a sign of their voter suppression. But suspect a DUer... that makes sense.

[Snake Plissken]

43. Most of the time the number of absentee ballots is not enough to affect the results of the election

so nobody notices, and in some cases they aren't even counted if the losing candidate concedes, by recognizing that even if they received 100% of the uncounted votes it still wouldn't be enough to change the outcome.

[Snake Plissken]

56. I used to think the reports of their cheating was exaggerated, not anymore

It's painfully obvious that criminality and corruption are the foundation that keeps the GOP from collapsing.

In fact they openly cry about being treated unfairly if they are required to play be the rules like everyone else.

[obamanut2012]

49. I know you are concerned

But whatever.

[Demwolv]

53. Funding?

Someone PLEASE correct me if I'm wrong, but is funding an issue in these counties? I feel like there has to be a reason why large minority (and mostly Dem) precincts will only have 3 voting machines and wealthier areas will have 5+ for far less people.

I assume that lack of funding = less people working for the precinct = slower vote count = what we see now? I've only ever voted on paper ballot and I was in a new precinct this year and they had close to 15 partitioned off areas for people to vote on, so I don't always know how voting machines work and how they're counted.

[joshcryer]

57. It's absolutely normal for FL poll workers to toss Dem votes.

It's absolutely tradition at this point.

There have been numerous elections where entire boxes of votes were found in trash heaps. I'm not even exaggerating.

[sfwriter]

62. That's true.

I guess its just more critical this time? Trumpies just howl more when they are caught at it?

[Buckeyeblue]

61. Our wanting instant results hurts the process

Especially since all we see are the votes counted. We don't see how many votes are left to count. Each precinct should have to provide the total number of ballots cast. There should be some sort of reconciliation back to that number.