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brooklynite

(94,535 posts)
Fri Nov 9, 2018, 06:43 PM Nov 2018

Congresswoman-elect Spanberger (VA) says she won't support Nancy Pelosi as Speaker...

...today on MTP Daily.

Max Rose personally told me the same thing. There may be a fair number of new Members of Congress who hold the same opinion.

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Congresswoman-elect Spanberger (VA) says she won't support Nancy Pelosi as Speaker... (Original Post) brooklynite Nov 2018 OP
does this elect have a name? nt msongs Nov 2018 #1
Let me hold my side eleny Nov 2018 #2
Just like not voting for Hillary Clinton, the most experienced candidate ever to run for president, TeamPooka Nov 2018 #3
This is more akin to a primary than a general election. n/t PoliticAverse Nov 2018 #31
It's called buying into the bullshit propaganda of Republicans yeah TeamPooka Nov 2018 #60
If you are going to make your decision based on what Republicans say... PoliticAverse Nov 2018 #63
There's a reason TheFarseer Nov 2018 #75
These few people will get all the media attention manor321 Nov 2018 #4
i think she is awful. She sounds Anti Democrat. trueblue2007 Nov 2018 #5
Glad you don't live in her Virginia district, elleng Nov 2018 #9
I'M GLAD TOO. My senator is Ron Wyden and Congressman is Earl Blumenhauer. trueblue2007 Nov 2018 #29
Howdy neighbor! Kittycow Nov 2018 #47
ypu are my neighbor? That is nice to know. I am glad to meet you. trueblue2007 Nov 2018 #70
Yep, Earl B's my Congressman :) Kittycow Nov 2018 #71
I wish she was my Rep. You folks in safe blue districts don't know redstateblues Nov 2018 #40
I hear ya Hermit-The-Prog Nov 2018 #72
Whoops. Goof move. mahina Nov 2018 #6
Not supporting is one thing, but does that mean she will abstain or vote against ? OnDoutside Nov 2018 #7
This message was self-deleted by its author PoliticAverse Nov 2018 #34
Well if it's 217-217 and she abstains rather than vote against, what happens ? Is there a OnDoutside Nov 2018 #42
Well I've deleted my original comment because my answer wasn't really sufficient.... PoliticAverse Nov 2018 #48
From that entry, it sounds like it is possible to get a majority but it's not necessary for it to be OnDoutside Nov 2018 #50
So, only three days after the election we already have Democrats Doreen Nov 2018 #8
How is that "Democrats attacking Democrats?" mtnsnake Nov 2018 #12
OK, maybe it is the wrong word but there are much more important Doreen Nov 2018 #22
A lot of these new congress members ran stating if you elect me I will not support Nancy krawhitham Nov 2018 #59
When push comes to shove and the actual floor vote, DeminPennswoods Nov 2018 #10
No. Likely another Dem would be proposed. Blue_true Nov 2018 #18
Might be the controversial thing for me to say on here, BUT... Tom Rivers Nov 2018 #11
Not controversial at all mtnsnake Nov 2018 #14
I agree with you Zing Zing Zingbah Nov 2018 #16
They will demonize literally anyone who is chosen. NYC Liberal Nov 2018 #19
Right? violetpastille Nov 2018 #25
Republicans always worry about what Democrats think of their leaders, right?! NYC Liberal Nov 2018 #28
That's how we lost Al Franken. Afraid of Republican finger pointing. oasis Nov 2018 #81
Agreed. I think it is silly for people to think that Republicans won't go after anyone chosen. Caliman73 Nov 2018 #26
Any Democrat who becomes speaker will be demonized by the right. Doesn't matter who it is. octoberlib Nov 2018 #46
Any Democrat will be demonized Evergreen Emerald Nov 2018 #52
Yes, I believe this poster is suggesting that wellst0nev0ter Nov 2018 #65
She doesn't want to be Speaker for two years. LisaM Nov 2018 #53
Because if we pick just the right Dem, the Republicans will be nice to them EffieBlack Nov 2018 #84
Some of them made that as a campaign promise Zing Zing Zingbah Nov 2018 #13
Why have an election for Speaker at all? kentuck Nov 2018 #15
'Spanberger said her top three priorities are: elleng Nov 2018 #17
DINO lpbk2713 Nov 2018 #20
Congress ain't the Navy. Only one of those is supposed to be guided shanny Nov 2018 #36
Wait, if everyone isn't in lock-step about who Bettie Nov 2018 #37
New Congress pecosbob Nov 2018 #21
Too bad so sad. MrsCoffee Nov 2018 #23
Lol. Okay. Someone's going to vote for other candidates Hortensis Nov 2018 #24
And this is just the beginning. Wait until a bill comes up that will improve something but wont be Eliot Rosewater Nov 2018 #56
Agree, but I think there's good reason to believe the right wing Hortensis Nov 2018 #61
Some people are well meaning, just unaware of how politics works. Eliot Rosewater Nov 2018 #62
Boy is that last true, but those wired to dissent can't Hortensis Nov 2018 #69
my only worry about the truly new Hermit-The-Prog Nov 2018 #73
Pretty sure OR & co are going to be mostly be let down. Hortensis Nov 2018 #86
you had me puzzled with "OR & co" Hermit-The-Prog Nov 2018 #90
Lol. Sorry about that. In my imaginings, the battalions Hortensis Nov 2018 #91
regarding Pelosi... Hermit-The-Prog Nov 2018 #92
Pelosi's advice: "What we're about in our campaign is Hortensis Nov 2018 #94
welcome Hermit-The-Prog Nov 2018 #95
Dissing Pelosi got candidates widely covered, Hortensis Nov 2018 #96
and 23 (so far) governorships! Hermit-The-Prog Nov 2018 #97
I am SO happy about that! I told my husband Hortensis Nov 2018 #98
All she does is WIN, why would we want that? JCMach1 Nov 2018 #27
This was discussed on NPR today. Seth Moulton & Tim Ryan are up to their old tricks. Won't work. Tarheel_Dem Nov 2018 #30
Yes, do not like Seth Moulton at all. My understanding is not many in Congress like him either. seaglass Nov 2018 #44
There's not enough of them to prevent Pelosi's speakership. I expect most, if not all of them, to... Tarheel_Dem Nov 2018 #64
Dems will Whip their votes accordingly aeromanKC Nov 2018 #32
That's what I hope LeftInTX Nov 2018 #55
+1 Power 2 the People Nov 2018 #67
I heard on NPR these candidates ran on not supporting Nancy LeftInTX Nov 2018 #33
Yes, I'm surprised that wasn't taken on board by people here. I heard many Dem challengers say it. OnDoutside Nov 2018 #51
Why is this very obvious fact lost on people? It's like everybody is new to politics or something.. UniteFightBack Nov 2018 #68
They've bought into the "far left" San Francisco values narrative. Garrett78 Nov 2018 #35
Yes, it's brainwashing 101. I'm sure Cha Nov 2018 #74
Yeah, this probably has a lot to do with Seth Moulton. n/t seaglass Nov 2018 #38
Really, this shit again. kacekwl Nov 2018 #39
Young Kennedy should run Thrill Nov 2018 #41
She ran on that...she had to...Anyone in a red or swing district probably ran on not voting UniteFightBack Nov 2018 #43
Hopefully this is all symbolic. Bleacher Creature Nov 2018 #45
I'm sorry, but we need someone with experience who knows how to fight the raging madinmaryland Nov 2018 #49
I do not understand Evergreen Emerald Nov 2018 #54
Meh. Primal behavior. Strutting. Trying to establish dominance... NurseJackie Nov 2018 #57
Yes, well wait until they get there. JNelson6563 Nov 2018 #58
Honestly, I don't mind it. Nancy Pelosi isn't guaranteed anyone's vote for speaker. SaschaHM Nov 2018 #66
So what? Liberal In Texas Nov 2018 #76
Nancy is more qualified and able than all the haters put together. That alone makes her a target. FreepFryer Nov 2018 #77
Is someone opposed to having her as Speaker automatically a "hater"? brooklynite Nov 2018 #82
I'm skeptical of people who unjustifiably attack our own - as Nancy has been. n/t FreepFryer Nov 2018 #85
I predict that Nancy Pelosi will get her vote. dchill Nov 2018 #78
Repost: 'Spanberger said her top three priorities are: elleng Nov 2018 #79
sorry but my opinion of both of them chillfactor Nov 2018 #80
She's been giving master classes in leadership Lars39 Nov 2018 #87
Nancy knew this ahead of time. RandySF Nov 2018 #83
this is totally normal. Kurt V. Nov 2018 #88
She can support whoever she wants before the vote is held DFW Nov 2018 #89
I heard Rose say that too Trumpocalypse Nov 2018 #93
I believe Mark Pocan and Pramila Jayapal of Prog Caucusare not committed to supporting Pelosi as yet Nanjeanne Nov 2018 #99

TeamPooka

(24,223 posts)
3. Just like not voting for Hillary Clinton, the most experienced candidate ever to run for president,
Fri Nov 9, 2018, 06:45 PM
Nov 2018

Just like not voting for Hillary Clinton, the most experienced candidate ever to run for president, not supporting Nancy Pelosi is the same thing.
She’s only the most experienced lawmaker and expert in Congress that we have.
This is why we can’t have nice things

PoliticAverse

(26,366 posts)
31. This is more akin to a primary than a general election. n/t
Fri Nov 9, 2018, 07:18 PM
Nov 2018

A Democrat _will_ be the next speaker regardless of which Democrat it is.

PoliticAverse

(26,366 posts)
63. If you are going to make your decision based on what Republicans say...
Fri Nov 9, 2018, 08:30 PM
Nov 2018

then I'll point out that the #1 Republican has said that Pelosi should be speaker:
https://www.politico.com/story/2018/11/07/trump-pelosi-house-speaker-970673

I think Democrats should ignore what Republicans think when electing the speaker.

I think Pelosi will be elected speaker, but I'm not 100% sure of that.


TheFarseer

(9,322 posts)
75. There's a reason
Fri Nov 9, 2018, 11:43 PM
Nov 2018

Literally every republican campaigns against Nancy Pelosi. It’s not because it doesn’t work. Now, don’t get me wrong, I think you can definitely argue they would try to demonize whoever the leader was but I just get tired of people pretending there are not two sides to this debate.

 

manor321

(3,344 posts)
4. These few people will get all the media attention
Fri Nov 9, 2018, 06:45 PM
Nov 2018

None of this matters as long as she has the votes, and I believe she will.

Having a few make noise about this is not really newsworthy, IMHO.

Kittycow

(2,396 posts)
71. Yep, Earl B's my Congressman :)
Fri Nov 9, 2018, 09:54 PM
Nov 2018

So we must be in the same district. (I always forget the name of it though.) Glad to meet you too!

redstateblues

(10,565 posts)
40. I wish she was my Rep. You folks in safe blue districts don't know
Fri Nov 9, 2018, 07:23 PM
Nov 2018

What it takes to flip these red districts. For God’s sake, she beat extreme Tea Partier Dave Brat who defeated extreme Eric Cantor.

Response to OnDoutside (Reply #7)

OnDoutside

(19,956 posts)
42. Well if it's 217-217 and she abstains rather than vote against, what happens ? Is there a
Fri Nov 9, 2018, 07:24 PM
Nov 2018

casting vote ?

PoliticAverse

(26,366 posts)
48. Well I've deleted my original comment because my answer wasn't really sufficient....
Fri Nov 9, 2018, 07:35 PM
Nov 2018

The speaker is elected by "majority rule". A tie would result in another ballot being required. The question is
what would happen if a Democratic speaker candidate got more votes that an Reupblican candidate but didn't
get 50% of the votes of all the Members of the House.

From the Wikipedia entry on Speaker of the House:

Although no rule exists, based on tradition and practice from the earliest days of the nation, to be elected speaker a candidate must receive an absolute majority of all votes cast for individuals, i.e. excluding those who abstain. If no candidate wins such a majority, then the roll call is repeated until a speaker is elected.

So there could be a difference in calculating the "absolute majority" if one of the members abstains instead of voting for someone else (I was originally under the impression that someone who abstained would be counted for the 50% purposes).




OnDoutside

(19,956 posts)
50. From that entry, it sounds like it is possible to get a majority but it's not necessary for it to be
Fri Nov 9, 2018, 07:50 PM
Nov 2018

50% of the 435 ?

I think quite a few of the new intake have said they "will not support Nancy Pelosi for speaker", but that to me doesn't mean they will vote AGAINST her. If the Dems end up with 237 and the Reps with 198, they could afford 38 abstentions.

Doreen

(11,686 posts)
8. So, only three days after the election we already have Democrats
Fri Nov 9, 2018, 06:49 PM
Nov 2018

attacking Democrats. At this time shouldn't we all have eyes on the Republicans?

mtnsnake

(22,236 posts)
12. How is that "Democrats attacking Democrats?"
Fri Nov 9, 2018, 06:53 PM
Nov 2018

Just because she isn't supporting Nancy Pelosi to remain as Speaker, it's far from attacking her.

Doreen

(11,686 posts)
22. OK, maybe it is the wrong word but there are much more important
Fri Nov 9, 2018, 07:02 PM
Nov 2018

things to be tending to than which Democrat is speaker of the house. Besides hasn't Pelosi been talking about passing it on to someone else after a while? I hope our party does not start doing the trump trick and changing his administration around at a whim.

krawhitham

(4,644 posts)
59. A lot of these new congress members ran stating if you elect me I will not support Nancy
Fri Nov 9, 2018, 08:05 PM
Nov 2018

What do we want them to do, let their 1st act as a congress member be breaking a campaign promise

DeminPennswoods

(15,286 posts)
10. When push comes to shove and the actual floor vote,
Fri Nov 9, 2018, 06:51 PM
Nov 2018

will these Dems vote for someone else and let Kevin McCarthy become Speaker?

Some of these candidates ran on being for "new blood" in leadership, I suppose some feel the need to affirm that publically. However, I doubt the voters who put Congresswoman-elect Spanberger in office feel the same way and hopefully will contact her office and express their opposition.

Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
18. No. Likely another Dem would be proposed.
Fri Nov 9, 2018, 06:57 PM
Nov 2018

Spanberger said a while ago that she would support another democrat, so did Connor Lamb. My guess that if it came down to Pelosi or McCarthy, they would fall in line behind Pelosi.

Tom Rivers

(459 posts)
11. Might be the controversial thing for me to say on here, BUT...
Fri Nov 9, 2018, 06:52 PM
Nov 2018

...maybe it wouldn't be the worst idea to have a Speaker the right can't demonize for two years and get all of our recent gains wiped out.

Not saying put up a moderate or a white man, just some new blood. *ducks for cover*

mtnsnake

(22,236 posts)
14. Not controversial at all
Fri Nov 9, 2018, 06:55 PM
Nov 2018

MAY more than a few Democrats would agree with you that it's time for a change in the Speaker position.

NYC Liberal

(20,136 posts)
19. They will demonize literally anyone who is chosen.
Fri Nov 9, 2018, 06:58 PM
Nov 2018

Obama was “new blood” in 2008...a freshman senator who had barely arrived in Washington. We all know how well the Republicans treated him.

violetpastille

(1,483 posts)
25. Right?
Fri Nov 9, 2018, 07:12 PM
Nov 2018

Why do we care if we are popular with Republicans? They don't like a lot of our leaders. Do we let them pick?

Caliman73

(11,736 posts)
26. Agreed. I think it is silly for people to think that Republicans won't go after anyone chosen.
Fri Nov 9, 2018, 07:13 PM
Nov 2018

Pelosi knows how to create legislation, move it through the House, and she knows how to raise money for the party. To lose that just because you "think the Republicans might not be so harsh on another Democrat" just sound completely divorced from reality. It sounds like something exactly like what Peolosi and the Democrats have been criticized for in the past, avoiding controversy.


You can say that Pelosi doesn't have it anymore (you'd be wrong) or that You want a new firebrand (someone who would get attacked for being outspoken and inexperienced), BUT you cannot honestly argue that Nancy Pelosi was not an effective speaker. That is exactly why the Right wing hates her. She has been super good at her job and they do not want to deal with her.

LisaM

(27,810 posts)
53. She doesn't want to be Speaker for two years.
Fri Nov 9, 2018, 07:53 PM
Nov 2018

While I like her, and would be completely happy to see her return to the job she did so effectively, she's already said she would like to pass it off to someone else. Who better to take the torch from than Nancy Pelosi?

After all she's done, and all the grief she's taken from the right (for basically being good at her job), I think it's petty not to let her exit on her own terms.

 

EffieBlack

(14,249 posts)
84. Because if we pick just the right Dem, the Republicans will be nice to them
Sat Nov 10, 2018, 12:06 AM
Nov 2018

And it would be really great at this critical juncture to get rid of one of the most successful Speakers in history and replace her with a newby with no experience in the job because new blood or something.

Yeah, let's do that and see how that works out ...

No, seriously. Let's not.

kentuck

(111,092 posts)
15. Why have an election for Speaker at all?
Fri Nov 9, 2018, 06:56 PM
Nov 2018

Why not demand 100% loyalty from everyone- like Trump?

She doesn't have to win with a unanimous vote.

elleng

(130,895 posts)
17. 'Spanberger said her top three priorities are:
Fri Nov 9, 2018, 06:57 PM
Nov 2018

Campaign Finance Reform
Reducing Prescription Drug Prices
Infrastructure Improvements

As for talk of Nancy Pelosi possibly becoming the Speaker of the House?

"So, I won't support her for Speaker of the House," Spanberger said. "I think it's important we have new leadership leading a new conversation really committed to having an effective Congress that is working to solve problems."

And will she join some Democrats who want to investigate President Donald Trump?

"I think it has to be a measured approach. If there is evidence of wrongdoing that should be looked at. "I support the rule of law. I am a former investigator myself, but I think that anything that is more punitive or partisan, I would like to see Congress steer away from and focus on what is important to voters."'

https://wtvr.com/2018/11/09/abigail-spanberger-on-nancy-pelosi-speaker-of-the-house/

 

shanny

(6,709 posts)
36. Congress ain't the Navy. Only one of those is supposed to be guided
Fri Nov 9, 2018, 07:22 PM
Nov 2018

by small-d democratic principles.

Bettie

(16,104 posts)
37. Wait, if everyone isn't in lock-step about who
Fri Nov 9, 2018, 07:22 PM
Nov 2018

the speaker should be, they aren't "real" Democrats?

Part of what makes us Democrats is having a wide variety of opinions. We're not the authoritarian right who do as they're told in all cases.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
24. Lol. Okay. Someone's going to vote for other candidates
Fri Nov 9, 2018, 07:06 PM
Nov 2018

when house members chooses their party leaders. Nancy won't take it wrong. A life in politics means she understands everything people need to do to get elected and has great experience with all the beliefs and attitudes new members arrive with.

And beyond big talent and hard work, a huge reason Nancy rose to be the highest ranking women ever in American politics is that she's a people collector. As the saying goes, politics is the art of inclusion, not exclusion. So she'll be able to handle Spanberger and others voting against her.

They have work to do.

Eliot Rosewater

(31,109 posts)
56. And this is just the beginning. Wait until a bill comes up that will improve something but wont be
Fri Nov 9, 2018, 07:55 PM
Nov 2018

perfect, guess what happens then.

The good news is we have temporarily saved America, SS and Medicare.

But the GOP are all lawless traitors and potentially all violent, so time will tell if any of this will matter.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
61. Agree, but I think there's good reason to believe the right wing
Fri Nov 9, 2018, 08:25 PM
Nov 2018

extremist wave has peaked, at least the current one, still choppy waters, but they lost real support among the electorate, and that's huge. And the GOP is still bound to an evildoing president who literally can't stop causing them harm.

As for those on the radical left who deny everything good that mainstream Democrats do, they get to watch Nancy and the rest of our caucus at work -- and eat it. Like their counterparts in the tea party, they literally can't be pleased and will only despise her and our Democratic coalition the more for being good. So big "oh well."

Who knows, maybe our big Democratic caucus under her leadership will be able to enrage them and generate nearly as many bitter complaints as her getting healthcare reform passed over tremendous difficulties did. Something to hope for.

Eliot Rosewater

(31,109 posts)
62. Some people are well meaning, just unaware of how politics works.
Fri Nov 9, 2018, 08:29 PM
Nov 2018

That you NEVER get all you want in one swoop N E V E R.

So if you demand that, you not only get nothing but you empower the other side.

I dont know if this lesson will be learned.

You can look at anything, SS, Medicare.

Both great, both far from perfect. Both could have been far better for us, but we would have NOTHING had their proponents said my way or the highway.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
69. Boy is that last true, but those wired to dissent can't
Fri Nov 9, 2018, 09:31 PM
Nov 2018

not dissent. Others drawn to their rhetoric seeking new answers will mostly eventually move on, but not them.

After all, those leaders for whom opposition is an important part of their political identity know perfectly well that insisting on the impossible empowers them (them especially) because it feeds their followers' need to oppose and fulfills their faction's underlying, unadmitted reason for being.

Just look at their counterparts on the right. The Republican leadership has offered the tea-party/Freedom Caucus virtually everything possible many times in attempts to reunite into one caucus that could defeat us, but the Freedom Caucus literally cannot be satisfied. The Freedom Troublemakers' leaders never fall into the trap of uniting to achieve common goals because they know that would eliminate their reason for existence.

Bless their mean, dark little hearts.

Oh, well. When anxiety finally lessens and assurance of stability increases, they and the rest of the radical and extremist factions will all shrink and fade back into the shadows, and we'll get to mostly forget them again for another few decades.

Hermit-The-Prog

(33,342 posts)
73. my only worry about the truly new
Fri Nov 9, 2018, 11:32 PM
Nov 2018

The only thing I really worry about with regards to the truly new members is that they may not understand the real talent and skill of a good politician -- the ability to compromise. Good ones can take a tangle of adversarial points of view and find a solution that leaves everyone equally dissatisfied, but is an advance from the state things were in before. Quite a few newly elected Representatives decided to run based on strong feelings about a few issues. How quickly can they learn to accept good instead of perfect? Or, "better than nothing"?

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
86. Pretty sure OR & co are going to be mostly be let down.
Sat Nov 10, 2018, 07:44 AM
Nov 2018

Analysts are noting that, in spite of all the coverage of radical efforts, Democratic voters pretty much avoided radical noise and elected candidates who offered continued achievement rather than discord.

Plus, a majority of OR endorsees this year were that type of Democrat, who reached out to radical groups and invited them to support them, but not from among them.

Notably, turnout of new voters among the young, minorities, suburban dwellers, and women was not a radical turnout but a repudiation of extremism. A a bunch of women were elected, and women tend to want to get things done.

Most of the newbies who drew organized support for outsider-reform candidacies won't turn out to be constitutionally dysfunctional either. Even halfway sensible people will come to realize that achieving an imperfect common product is the very essence of democracy, that being "equally dissatisfied" is actually something to strive for. Some will of course take criticisms to the media, but hopefully learn how constructive people do it, like Elizabeth Warren.

Leaving maybe a tiny number of the kind for whom compromise always means failure. You're making me belatedly wonder if a troublemaker leader could emerge (or Sanders directing from the senate, Ted Cruz style) who could be able to put together a tiny Freedom Caucus-type faction, at least long for long enough to produce a bunch of bad media. Our leadership must already be evaluating and monitoring. Most newcomers I've seen interviewed, though, especially the women, seem genuinely focused on achieving needed legislation, not ideals that are currently usefully out of reach.

Hermit-The-Prog

(33,342 posts)
90. you had me puzzled with "OR & co"
Sat Nov 10, 2018, 03:08 PM
Nov 2018

I kept thinking, "How's Oregon fit in this? What'd I miss?"

It finally dawned on me that you were referencing "Our Revolution". Didn't know about that before 2016 and haven't read anything since -- wallowing in my own ignorance.

If I could draw...

Monday:
a big ship with "U.S." on the bow,

off the starboard bow are 2 steam tugs belching black smoke with $, barge flying Fox flag, Limbaugh flag - stoking coal into the boilers, MAGA-Nazis yelling on deck with megaphones, destination a slimey boiling sea with dead animals floating, Trumputin straddling the rails of the tugs

off the port bow is a collection of rowboats and sailboats, pulling toward an island with palm trees and flowers and a rainbow over it

dead ahead is a collection of every kind of boat from paddle boats to nuclear, all lines coming together but the final line labelled DEMS to the ship's bow is not as big as the one to the smoking tug on the right, destination not clear but the sea isn't boiling

on deck are red-hatted Repugs guarding a wall of ruples protecting the line to the tug, with more whittling away at the Democratic line at the bow

Tuesday:

A bunch of voters hack through the line to one tug, TrumPutin teetering as that tug begins to veer

Wednesday:

A bunch of blue-suited men and women coming up through a hatch from the hold, carrying a heavy line to connect to the boats dead ahead, a bunch of red-hatted people heading down another hatch into the hold.


Maybe I've just been in siege mentality too long and my brain is starting to melt.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
91. Lol. Sorry about that. In my imaginings, the battalions
Sat Nov 10, 2018, 03:37 PM
Nov 2018

of blue suited rescuers was via airlines and passenger vans, and they're all carrying briefcases. I'm not an artist either, so this is about the closest I can come. Of course, this misses the long lines of the real heroes on the ground determinedly enduring the waits they know are intended to screw them over.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
94. Pelosi's advice: "What we're about in our campaign is
Sat Nov 10, 2018, 04:10 PM
Nov 2018
that we are for the people, for lower health care costs, lowering prescription drug prices.

We're for raising pay checks, lowering healthcare costs, increasing paychecks by building the infrastructure of America and for cleaning up government to make sure people understand that the people's interest, not the special interests are served here in the United States Capitol."


Yes!

Thanks, Hermit. I hadn't seen that but knew that all over the nation Democrats were campaigning locally and statewide on this strategy.

It's regrettable but not surprising that so many could watch cable all day and come away believing Democrats didn't know what we stood for. That's what they were told. The media need controversy, and reporting that candidate after candidate were running on what their constituents wanted and needed won't sell newspapers. Boring!

But those who dissed Pelosi were widely covered, with the further reward of not being accused of not knowing what they were for. They did: they were for being against Pelosi. Finally -- someone who's taking a strong, principled stand!

Hermit-The-Prog

(33,342 posts)
95. welcome
Sat Nov 10, 2018, 04:35 PM
Nov 2018

I posted this:
https://www.democraticunderground.com/100211406195

Wasn't sure if it was as significant as it seemed to me, until a couple of longer-time DUers commented. With you, Cha, and question everything saying it is, I feel better.

Too much Pelosi-bashing going on recently, I think.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
96. Dissing Pelosi got candidates widely covered,
Sat Nov 10, 2018, 05:16 PM
Nov 2018

with the further reward of not being accused of not knowing what they believed in. Dissing Pelosi proved they did: they were for being against Pelosi. "Finally, a strong candidate who takes a principled stand!"

The media need controversy, and reporting that candidate after candidate was running on what their constituents wanted and needed doesn't sell newspapers or keep people listening through commercials.

Meanwhile, hundreds of candidates around the nation ran and won following Pelosi's advice:

"What we're about in our campaign is that we are for the people, for lower health care costs, lowering prescription drug prices.

We're for raising pay checks, lowering healthcare costs, increasing paychecks by building the infrastructure of America and for cleaning up government to make sure people understand that the people's interest, not the special interests are served here in the United States Capitol."

Yes!

It's regrettable that some could watch cable all day and come away believing that Democrats didn't know what we stood for and were going to lose. It would have saved a lot of anxiety to understand the games the media always play. Like new candidates are bright and sparkly, while old ones are boooring. And everyone needs to learn how good it feels to know existing leaders can be competent and be able to have confidence in them.

Now back to happy thoughts, like our electoral sweep in the midwest.



Hermit-The-Prog

(33,342 posts)
97. and 23 (so far) governorships!
Sat Nov 10, 2018, 05:35 PM
Nov 2018

Still got The Guardian's midterm maps up, waiting for some outstanding races to be called. Just wish they had a map for state offices below governor. There were significant gains down ticket that were part of the wave but not making much splash on the national news.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
98. I am SO happy about that! I told my husband
Sat Nov 10, 2018, 05:52 PM
Nov 2018

just last night to refill my wine glass and come whisper "census" and "redistricting" in my ear. Works even without him...!


seaglass

(8,171 posts)
44. Yes, do not like Seth Moulton at all. My understanding is not many in Congress like him either.
Fri Nov 9, 2018, 07:27 PM
Nov 2018

His PAC supported the following candidates who won, it will be interesting to see how that falls out:

Abigail Spanberger - 7th District, Virginia (flipped)

Mikie Sherrill - 11th District, New Jersey (flipped)

Antonio Delgado - 19th District, New York (flipped)

Max Rose - 11th District, New York (flipped)

Chrissy Houlahan - 6th District, Pennsylvania (flipped)

Conor Lamb - 17th District, Pennsylvania (flipped)

Elaine Luria - 2nd District, Virginia (flipped)

Tom Malinowski - 7th District, New Jersey (flipped)

Lauren Underwood - 14th District, Illinois (flipped)

Cindy Axne - 3rd District, Iowa (flipped)

Abby Finkenauer - 1st District, Iowa (flipped)

Colin Allred - 32nd District, Texas (flipped)

Elissa Slotkin - 8th District, Michigan (flipped)

Jason Crow - 6th District, Colorado (flipped)

Xochitl Torres Small - 2nd District, New Mexico (flipped)

Jahana Hayes - 5th District, Connecticut

Joe Neguse - 2nd District, Colorado

Susie Lee - 3rd District, Nevada

https://www.salemnews.com/election/how-seth-moulton-s-serve-america-candidates-fared/article_c2814ac4-e307-11e8-a63b-fbf87f06a652.html

Tarheel_Dem

(31,233 posts)
64. There's not enough of them to prevent Pelosi's speakership. I expect most, if not all of them, to...
Fri Nov 9, 2018, 08:33 PM
Nov 2018

keep the promise not to vote for her. No big deal, really.

aeromanKC

(3,322 posts)
32. Dems will Whip their votes accordingly
Fri Nov 9, 2018, 07:19 PM
Nov 2018

They will make sure Pelosi wins by a comfortable margin and "allow" a handful of Reps in difficult districts to vote for someone else. It's all good.

LeftInTX

(25,311 posts)
33. I heard on NPR these candidates ran on not supporting Nancy
Fri Nov 9, 2018, 07:19 PM
Nov 2018

And many feel they owe it to their constituents.

 

UniteFightBack

(8,231 posts)
68. Why is this very obvious fact lost on people? It's like everybody is new to politics or something..
Fri Nov 9, 2018, 08:56 PM
Nov 2018

????

Garrett78

(10,721 posts)
35. They've bought into the "far left" San Francisco values narrative.
Fri Nov 9, 2018, 07:20 PM
Nov 2018

In a sane world, Pelosi would be seen as a moderate.

Cha

(297,196 posts)
74. Yes, it's brainwashing 101. I'm sure
Fri Nov 9, 2018, 11:39 PM
Nov 2018

Nancy is glad they won no matter if they had to fall in line with demonizing her.

Nancy's progressive.. practically speaking.

Bleacher Creature

(11,256 posts)
45. Hopefully this is all symbolic.
Fri Nov 9, 2018, 07:27 PM
Nov 2018

Once we know the exact margin of the Democratic majority, we'll see how many Dems would have trouble in their districts supporting Pelosi.

madinmaryland

(64,932 posts)
49. I'm sorry, but we need someone with experience who knows how to fight the raging
Fri Nov 9, 2018, 07:35 PM
Nov 2018

Republic Party Menace. No neophytes.

Nancy Pelosi knows the game and how to work it to the advantage of the Democratic Party.

Evergreen Emerald

(13,069 posts)
54. I do not understand
Fri Nov 9, 2018, 07:54 PM
Nov 2018

She kicked ass the last time she was speaker. She is smart, savvy, and a great speaker.

What the hell is going on? Can someone explain why the dems do not want her as speaker?

NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)
57. Meh. Primal behavior. Strutting. Trying to establish dominance...
Fri Nov 9, 2018, 07:57 PM
Nov 2018

... and "street creds". I'm not concerned or impressed one way or the other.

JNelson6563

(28,151 posts)
58. Yes, well wait until they get there.
Fri Nov 9, 2018, 07:59 PM
Nov 2018

It's fun and easy to talk big when you are far removed from a situation. Get into a face to face setting and things often change. Plus I think they will learn they are in the minority with their opinion.

SaschaHM

(2,897 posts)
66. Honestly, I don't mind it. Nancy Pelosi isn't guaranteed anyone's vote for speaker.
Fri Nov 9, 2018, 08:35 PM
Nov 2018

If she can't put together a majority on this vote, then she really shouldn't be speaker. This is going to be the first and the easiest test of her speakership.

I'd vote for her if I were in the House, but I'm not about to knock someone for saying they won't for various reasons and there are quite a few reasons not to support Pelosi outside of right wing propaganda. We're Democrats. We should be able to have a democratic election for our speaker. Let Pelosi, Ryan, Jeffries, Bustos, and whomever else is interested in a leadership position campaign and win over votes. If she wins, she wins. If she doesn't, then she remains a rep from CA who can provide counsel when needed to the next speaker.

Liberal In Texas

(13,550 posts)
76. So what?
Fri Nov 9, 2018, 11:46 PM
Nov 2018

She is entitled to her opinion. It's not like there's a 100 congressmen/women like in the senate, and the House is comprised of a lot of diverse points of view for the 435 members.

"A fair number" is meaningless and not a definitive amount. This is not a big deal.


elleng

(130,895 posts)
79. Repost: 'Spanberger said her top three priorities are:
Fri Nov 9, 2018, 11:57 PM
Nov 2018

Campaign Finance Reform
Reducing Prescription Drug Prices
Infrastructure Improvements

As for talk of Nancy Pelosi possibly becoming the Speaker of the House?

"So, I won't support her for Speaker of the House," Spanberger said. "I think it's important we have new leadership leading a new conversation really committed to having an effective Congress that is working to solve problems."

And will she join some Democrats who want to investigate President Donald Trump?

"I think it has to be a measured approach. If there is evidence of wrongdoing that should be looked at. "I support the rule of law. I am a former investigator myself, but I think that anything that is more punitive or partisan, I would like to see Congress steer away from and focus on what is important to voters."'

https://wtvr.com/2018/11/09/abigail-spanberger-on-nancy-pelosi-speaker-of-the-house/

chillfactor

(7,575 posts)
80. sorry but my opinion of both of them
Fri Nov 9, 2018, 11:58 PM
Nov 2018

just took a downward turn. I am 77 years old....much older then these two and Nancy Pelosi has been the BEST Speaker of the House in my lifetime.

RandySF

(58,800 posts)
83. Nancy knew this ahead of time.
Sat Nov 10, 2018, 12:06 AM
Nov 2018

She can count votes. I'm sure she has enough to win while letting some go.

DFW

(54,372 posts)
89. She can support whoever she wants before the vote is held
Sat Nov 10, 2018, 09:51 AM
Nov 2018

The fact is that after the votes are tallied, the Speaker's gavel will be handed to Nancy Pelosi. What is Spanberger going to do, vote with the Republicans? She can spout off all she wants before the vote for Speaker is held, but after it has been decided, she works under the Speaker a majority of Democrats elect. She can either work with Pelosi or not. If she remains very vocal about it, especially after the vote is held, she needn't be surprised when she finds herself assigned to the House subcommittee on dog food additives.

 

Trumpocalypse

(6,143 posts)
93. I heard Rose say that too
Sat Nov 10, 2018, 04:00 PM
Nov 2018

He spent most of his campaign attacking other Democrats. He lost my trust with those attacks and I voted Green in the end.

Nanjeanne

(4,960 posts)
99. I believe Mark Pocan and Pramila Jayapal of Prog Caucusare not committed to supporting Pelosi as yet
Sat Nov 10, 2018, 06:01 PM
Nov 2018

so it's not just new Congresspeople.

I'm sure there will be discussions behind the scenes and eventually a strong leader will emerge - may be Pelosi - may be someone else. Right now no one has stepped up to challenge Nancy . . . so it's all a moot point right now.

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