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[Le Gaucher]

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[blogslut]

1. He's not in congress anymore

[Le Gaucher]

3. He doesnt have to be in the congress to be a speaker

[blogslut]

9. fine

But you know, after two years of driving around a huge state, going door-to-door, changing the face of Democratic politics in Texas, and inspiring America, I think the man deserves some rest and time with his family.

[Jeffersons Ghost]

12. Through impeachment, does anyone want Pelosi to be made president?

[Baltimike]

18. Compared to Trump, I'd take a yellow dog. nt

[True_Blue]

19. Actually, I wouldn't mind that at all

[karynnj]

23. It won't happen because there would be NO Senate votes if the outcome is a Dem President

If Pence has problems, he will likely be replaced first as Agnew was. It would be interesting who would replace him, because as with Ford, the Senate knows it may well be giving consent to the next President by confirming him/her.

That said, if it could happen I think Nancy Pelosi, a brilliant politician who was able to break the glass ceiling as Speaker of a mostly male house would be an excellent First President. I also have a feeling that with the magnifying glass that comes with the Presidency, many might be surprised by what they actually see -- as opposed to the completely ridiculous stereotype. That the stereotype hasn't actually worked all that well, look at the fact that she has a good favorability rating compared to her Republican peers.

[Fatemah2774]

78. Actually

My thinking is Romney or even Graham. The key is to hold off a Democrat from entering the White House.

But this is pure speculation. Let's start January 3rd and get subpoenas ready and safeguard Muehller.

[unblock]

39. even if we got republican cooperation to remove both donnie and pence, they wouldn't go together

they would space them out by at least an hour, leaving enough time to appoint a new republican vice-president in between removals.

there's zero chance of the white house changing parties when it requires cooperation in the senate from the party that would be losing the white house.

[Fatemah2774]

74. When Agnew left...

The Speaker of the House and Democrat stated that since the country voted for a Republican administation, and discussed with Nixon to select Ford who was the Minority Leader of the House. I love Beto too, but I want Pelosi more. The idea of Speaker is more than just legislation. She will select the calender, oversee the investigations, assist in spreading the narrative and more importantly run the cover as a target to the McConnell wing and the Tangerine Tyrant.

Let her do her job as we do ours which I' believe is to focus on bringing to light the crimes of this administration and together we can all raise hell in 2020. Just IMHO but threads like this make us divisive rather than progressing towards a unifird goal.

[mcar]

72. I do!

Pelosi would be a great President!

[MineralMan]

14. So, when was the last time a Speaker of the House

was not a member of that body? I'll wait here for your reply.

[Le Gaucher]

16. Never.. But being a member of the house is not a requirement

[Takket]

22. Not in terms of the rules, but in practice the House is never going to pick a non-member

[Hortensis]

58. Perhaps you should nominate yourself then, Le Gaucher.

I think Beto's charisma would be wasted on dealmaking behind the scenes, and he obviously is ready and wishing to move to the senate. The only reason most people even know Pelosi's name is that Republicans picked her to focus their hate on because she's our most powerful woman.

And as you're clearly aware, there's nothing to the job that someone couldn't pick up quickly, and it'd shuffle her out of authority and back into the crowd.

Speaking of that crowd of over 200 now, every 2 years a bunch of new people arrive. You will have intense competition from many who have been working hard to advance to more important positions by such things as developing usable expertise in grain agriculture, foreign trade, energy, education, tax policy, healthcare, budget, etc., plus groups of friends and potential supporters -- for however many years it takes to develop sufficient respect and admiration from colleagues to become their leader. Including proving that they're not corruptible. (That's kind of big, and not exactly something anyone can know about newcomers.)

[TreasonousBastard]

66. Around the time a Supreme Court justice was not a lawyer.

[MineralMan]

76. That's what I thought.

[hlthe2b]

21. that is a technicality that has never successfuly been done and is sorely impractical.

[treestar]

31. All custom has been

Thrown out the window with the election of the Dotard. It is legal so it can be done.

[hlthe2b]

34. I stated it is legal, but impractical. How much support do you think a speaker that is not a House

MEMBER (and thus has no "skin" in the game) can have?

Impractical, hardly covers it. All efforts to nominate someone outside the house have been successful ONLY in gaining a few votes as a "message"...

[Hortensis]

69. Support from members?!! You mean WE don't choose

the speaker for them? They choose who they want (always) from among themselves?

Damn! You're a dream-killer, Hlthe2b.

Well, there goes that great idea, Le Gaucher. We're not going to be able to bury a new, exciting, charismatic national figure -- one who combines good judgement, ability to create coalitions, and good character! -- in the house of representatives in back rooms and committee meetings after all.

[treestar]

89. they would have to get together on it and think it best for

the party's future chances. Not likely they could do that. But now we are in an era of "if it makes the liberals cry, I'm all for it," so maybe we could do some of that.

[dalton99a]

2. He is not in Congress anymore

Veronica Escobar will take his seat in the House

[Le Gaucher]

4. See #3

[MineralMan]

15. See #14

[Me.]

5. Yes Go Ahead...In What Is Turning Out To Be Another Year Of The Woman

replace a successful female House Speaker with a man.

[OnDoutside]

44. Yes, there would be a massive irony in that. I'm comforted that the Republicans want her gone, which

is a tell, in my book, that she is as good as many say she is.

Rick Wilson was on a podcast a few days ago, and basically said that she would be a highly effective Speaker but that her leadership team should be freshened up.

[SaschaHM]

59. Say it again for the people in the back.

Hell, we had many inspiring women face tougher odds in republican areas than Beto that either won or lost by smaller margins that aren't getting nearly hype that he is.

[Me.]

65. I have Nothing Against Beto...Was/Is A Fan

and to be clear he isn't the one who suggested this, but the optics on this idea are just so wrong. And why, oh why do some DEms want to aid giving the Cons what they want? There is a reason they demonize her and it isn't because they want to help Dems.

[NurseJackie]

6. Nancy will be the speaker for as long as she wants it.

I have nothing against Pelosi.

Uh-huh.

[TheBlackAdder]

54. WTF is it with this replace Pelosi stuff? Take a Proven Speaker and replace her with an Unknown-WHY?

.

Now is not the time to be screwing around.

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[mcar]

73. Strange that people on DU don't get that

[LanternWaste]

7. To what precise and relevant end?

To what precise and relevant end, and on what objective measure do you imply he would be more effective/efficient at the position?

[Loki Liesmith]

57. Items

With the caveat that it’s unworkable

1) it would provide Beto with an excellent platform to run for Preeident
2) he is a hard target for the opposition


There would be some tangible benefits to doing this but the point is moot because it’s not going to happen.

[fishwax]

8. I don't think he's the best person for the job, nor do I think it the best use of his talents

[Arkansas Granny]

10. I have nothing against Beto, but I think Nancy Pelosi is still our best bet.

She wields a mean gavel and can hold Democrats together.

[Le Gaucher]

13. That is job for the whip.

I find it disheartening that so many on our own side ( talking about casual voters in parties) think she is out of touch l

Reality.

[karynnj]

25. Though the whip counts the votes and pulls people to our side, the leader has a major role

in leading the caucus. Contrast how many votes that Republican Speakers brought thinking they had the numbers -- but lost. Pelosi always got the votes when she brought things to the floor.

[Me.]

37. Arbitrary Decisions

to take away a woman's position to give it to a man is why I'm glad you're not in charge of this decision. Such divisiveness does not help the Dems.

[EffieBlack]

48. The Whip reports to the Leader

[EffieBlack]

11. You forgot the sarcasm thingy

[MineralMan]

17. LOL!

Of all the ridiculous proposals people make on DU, suggesting that a non-member of the House of Representatives will ever be elected as Speaker is one of the most ridiculous.

Why on Earth would that body elect someone who was not part of the House to be Speaker? It simply makes no sense whatsoever.

[Jeffersons Ghost]

33. why would so many people comment on this OP? MAKE PELOSI PRESIDENT:

Let's impeach a couple of crooks and make Pelosi president.

[mwooldri]

20. For right now, we need experience. Pelosi has it.

She's the most qualified person for the job.

Part of me thinks this should be short term, as the Repubes have successfully demonized her in the public eye and not having Pelosi lead into the 2020 elections might knock some of the wind out of their sails. However there is no denying that Nancy Pelosi is a very effective Speaker.

[solara]

24. Maybe Beto would be a really good fit

as DNC Deputy Chair..

If Dems want to replace Pelosi so bad, and the Speaker doesn't need to be a House member.. why not go all out and place Hillary as Speaker? When trump & pence are removed by either indictment or impeachment... she can step in to the office she won.

[karynnj]

30. Excellent idea

It would make him a prominent voice and give him a platform to speak for Democrats. He also ran an excellent race and likely learned a huge amount on things that were effective and some things that sounded great, but helped less.

However, Perez clearly did a good job - especially in areas that had been hopeless. He was more Dean than DWS. Unless he wanted to step down, I don't think replacing him makes sense. It is always good to go into elections with someone experienced and who has enough time to make systemic changes.

As to Hillary or Beto as Speaker, I think the number of Republicans who would vote yes on removing without a Republican in the VP slot is zero. If enough bad is found on Trump, we might get President Pence. If Pence isguilty, they have to remove him first and confirm a new acceptable VP. (Note it will take very big things to remove either Pence or Trump)

[emulatorloo]

36. In Solara's scenario, Beto would replace Keith Ellison.

Ellison just resigned from his position as deputy chair.

[Me.]

40. The Dems Are Not Looking To Replace Her

the Cons are and some Dems are aiding that effort. Several conversations about this, this morning suggest she will have no problem getting the votes she needs.

[solara]

50. Perhaps I wasn't clear...

IMHO, Pelosi should be retained as Speaker. She is effective, she has built bridges and knows how to use them. She is a strong woman and to replace her with a male person right now would be the height of folly and lack of faith.

We women are triumphant.. no need to stifle our voices now..full rein, full speed ahead.

[EffieBlack]

41. Well, he DOES have a penis and no lady parts

And big rallies in Texas or something.

[tammywammy]

68. As someone from Texas +1

I think people don't actually know what the Speaker's job is.

[LakeArenal]

27. I think we need a moment of status-quo.

I think we should take some time to digest what has changed, formulate plans and move forward. No big changes for the moment.

I don’t want any Democratic coups or revolts. I want changes made thoughtfully and professionally.

[treestar]

28. Now that is thinking

Outside the box!

[we can do it]

29. NO

[ornotna]

32. It started out so nice.

[Small-Axe]

35. Nancy Pelosi will be (and should be) Speaker.

This thread feels like gaslighting.

[obamanut2012]

82. yup

[LexVegas]

38. ...

[romana]

42. Two steps back

Beto, however gifted, to replace a powerful, experienced, and effective woman, is a step backward.

[Codeine]

43. Basta!

Pelosi will be Speaker.

[LuvLoogie]

45. Nope

[obnoxiousdrunk]

46. Beto needs to

take a break and prepare to run for President. He is a people's person not someone making back room deals.

[aikoaiko]

47. No. I'd rather Pelosi be speaker for the next 2 years.

[DinahMoeHum]

62. Agreed. Like it or not, please consider this . . .

. . .before you dis or dismiss her. . .

The Speaker of the House is the 2nd in line of succession to the POTUS position
POTUS
VPOTUS (1st in succession)
Speaker of the House (2nd in succession)

Democrats better make damn sure they have someone who is qualified for that possibility,
and that possibility may not be that far-fetched.

Remember, we are not living in normal times right now.

Just sayin'.

[CountAllVotes]

63. +1

Me too!

[awesomerwb1]

49. Pelosi has the experience

Big advantage her. However, the Dems need to start making the leadership younger. Start mentoring, training younger leaders. I believe I read somewhere that Schiff was kind of being mentored - I may be wrong. He's in a safe district so he'll be around for years.

[stonecutter357]

51. Cool Story, Bro , Nancy will be the speaker !

[stopbush]

52. No. Just, no.

You’re expressing a reality show view of politics. Elevate the flavor of the month while ignoring decades of experience and political savvy.

[onetexan]

53. now is not the time to go for younger person in the speaker role

we need Nancy's experience and strong leaderhship. She scares the GOP. We need her brand of steely grit and resolve.

[elleng]

55. 'WE' don't do that, House Caucus members do.

As much as we admire Beto, and will continue to do so, this time demands an insider, ready from day one to take the lead and MOVE!

[Tipperary]

60. What nonsense.

[Freddie]

61. We should make PBO the Speaker!

As others have noted, he/she does not have to be in Congress. Wouldn’t that drive the R’s completely bonkers (plus he’s be awesome at the job!)

[vi5]

64. I'd honestly rather a new leader in the Senate...

...I know it's sexism in action but I'm not sure why Pelosi always gets grief when Schumer is (to me at least) a terrible leader. Pelosi does what she does and lets the results stand for themselves. She is the definition of "speak softly and carry a big stick" to me.
Schumer to me talks and metaphorically struts around like he's a fighter or in a position of power and authority when nothing could be further from the truth. Yet I don't see even a fraction of the number of posts calling for him to step down or for someone else to take over.

[Le Gaucher]

71. Schumer is very deferential to Wall Street. We need someone more to the left

But Senate equivalent of speaker is the Vice President and cant be a non elected person

[Fatemah2774]

75. I agree, but...

He is from New York. As a New Yorker I would want some more combative and less conciliatory responses from him, but New York is a big state. And like it or not, Wall Street has money invested and demands.

[vi5]

77. And that's fine as far as a Senator from New York goes.....

... I just don't like him as the leader of Democrats in the Senate.

[bluecollar2]

67. Sounds like an excellent idea

Indict Trump and Pence.. .

Pelosi becomes President...

Beto then becomes House Speaker...

[mcar]

70. Yes, at a time when a record # of women and POC are entering Congress

Let's appoint a white guy* who lost his race Speaker.

*All respect to Beto who ran a great campaign.

[Me.]

88. Isn't It The Truth

plus the falling in line with GOPers dream wish

[obamanut2012]

79. Experienced older woman who does her job well, replaced

By much less experienced younger white man.

Yup, your OP is very American. You should be ashamed, but you won't be.

[WhiskeyGrinder]

80. Fuck this garbage post.

[empedocles]

81. I have nothing against Beto

. . . but 'cripes'! These kind of threads . . .

[BamaRefugee]

83. Why can't she be Speaker, but HAVE A SPOKESPERSON FOR TV etc? Beto would be fantastic and

daily exposure to the entire nation on television would raise his profile sky high.
Also, nothing for Reich Wingers to post, photoshop, or edit video of Pelosi speaking, she's pulling all the lvers of power, but immune from all the fakery the right wing will shower on her.

[LeftInTX]

84. A waste of Beto's talent

Look at Mitch McConnell!!
McConnell's got less charm than the Grinch Who Stole Christmas.
Yet look what he does for his caucus.

[Victor_c3]

85. I don't mean any "snark" when I ask: what is wrong with a Pelosi?

I’ve intentionally stayed from from threads involving obvious infighting in our party, so I’m really not aware.

Why are some people unhappy with Pelosi?

[Le Gaucher]

87. Popularity among low info voters..

Plus she had a shot at being speaker once.

[book_worm]

86. No.

[TeamPooka]

90. This is why we have a Thread trashed button