Wow: I am appalled: Sources tell ABC News at least 20 Democrats, perhaps many more, oppose Pelosi

[NewsCenter28]

I feel like I took a punch to my stomach and feel betrayed! She won this majority back for them FFS! I want to vomit. Even if we win 235 or 234 seats, she now is short of 218. I thought she'd have a cushion with the large majority we now have.

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/nancy-democrats-ramp-efforts-sideline-pelosi-offering-alternative/story?id=59180391&cid=clicksource_4380645_1_hero_headlines_headlines_hed

ABC News has identified at least 14 sitting Democrats and incoming members who have vowed to oppose Pelosi on the House floor.

Sources involved in the effort say that number has grown to at least 20 members, with many more incoming Democrats undecided. Pelosi can only afford to lose six votes – a number that could grow to 14 if Democrats win the eight House races yet to be called.

[LanternWaste]

1. I'm confident she'll appeal to their reason.

I'm not quite so confident they'll use their reason.

[NewsCenter28]

4. Looks like her bid for the speakership is going to fail

Who, pray tell, do we get instead???

[LanternWaste]

8. I'm confident she'll succeed.

Newbies in congress are flashy, and she, as well as the whip and the rest of the Democratic leadership, will supply them the rational thought over the course of the next six weeks they require.

[PoliticAverse]

12. Is it? See...

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100211429122

[mahina]

36. With support from 80%+? Nah.

Thank God.

Tested experiences strategist and tactician.
She is just who we need right now, proven by the agenda they just put out.

It’s a game changer.

[vlyons]

2. A whole 20, eh? Quick, let me do the math

20 / 435 = 0.0459770115. Without a candidate ---


ooooh scarey!

[NewsCenter28]

6. That means she is short of 218 on the floor

That's the problem and the outrage here.

[PoliticAverse]

41. How much she actually needs will depend on what the anti-Pelosi faction does.

If they abstain their lack of vote won't count when determining the number needed for a "Majority".

[leftynyc]

14. If the cons all vote for McCarthy

he'll get in instead. THAT'S what the problem is.

[Garrett78]

23. A real possibility. That would never happen to the GOP. They would unite for good of the party.

[leftynyc]

25. So will we

I think this is just noise and if the ones who made the campaign promise simply need to ask their voters if they want a republican instead because that's the only other choice.

[BeyondGeography]

34. That's not a real possibility

There will be a compromise; more acceptable seniority rules, DeGette replacing Clyburn, Jeffries taking Crowley’s #4 spot, etc. Good and necessary changes that wouldn’t happen if people like Seth Moulton didn’t push for them.

[leftynyc]

50. It is in theory

And if the incoming Dems don't really understand the rules. Whoever get the majority of votes cast is the Speaker. On a side note - most people don't realize it doesn't have to be a congressperson. They could vote ANYONE in as Speaker (although I suspect DUers already know this).

[BeyondGeography]

53. Marcia Fudge: "We're not going to allow the Republicans to have a speaker."

Who, by the way, has been suggested by fellow Ohioan Tim Ryan as a candidate for Speaker and isn't saying no.

No challenger to Pelosi has emerged but disgruntled Democrats say there would be plenty of candidates should her bid be derailed. Rep. Tim Ryan, D-Ohio, a leading Pelosi opponent, suggested two possibilities: Reps. Marcia Fudge of Ohio and California’s Karen Bass, both members of the Congressional Black Caucus.

Fudge told reporters she has signed the rebels’ letter and said colleagues have urged her to run for speaker.

“We’re not going to allow the Republicans to have a speaker, so certainly there will be someone that will step up” if Pelosi steps aside, Fudge said. “And those discussions are going on now.”

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/pelosi-challenges-unhappy-dems-to-block-her-bid-for-speaker/2018/11/14/283ab9e4-e836-11e8-8449-1ff263609a31_story.html?utm_term=.94b6ca6b17cd

[SaschaHM]

38. Speakership is an absolute majority, not a plurality.

If McCarthy can't win the majority (218+) on a floor vote, then he won't be speaker. If the Dem alternative falls short as well, then another ballot is called. They usually have things decided before the formal vote however, so the last time multiple ballots were called was 1923.

[leftynyc]

67. It's a majority of the votes cast

NOT of the entire House. If there are abstentions on the side of the Democrats, the vote total will be lower and the cons only need to get a majority of those votes.

[dansolo]

66. I don't think that is true

I believe there needs to be a majority of votes cast to be elected speaker. Unless they choose to vote "present", there will just be additional votes held until someone gets a majority.

[Cuthbert Allgood]

3. What, specifically, did Pelosi do to win those seat?

I mean, like specific things she did in specific races.

I'll wait.

[NewsCenter28]

5. Google is your friend

Fundraisers, phone banking, kept the caucus unified against Trump. But no, move over. A man wants the job now that it's worth having.

[NewsCenter28]

9. Misogyny still very much exists

At all levels of our society sadly.

[vlyons]

13. She raised a lot of money for the party

nt

[Baconator]

52. She can still do that without the speaker's gavel...

[Cha]

16. Yeah, you'll wait..

Link to tweet

Amanpour interviews Congressman-elect Tom Malinowski (D flipped seat that was R since '81)

snip//

I want to play something that maybe speaker, certainly Leader Pelosi said to me in September because a lot of people said well you know what, the Democrats don't really have a message to complete with Make America Great Again.

There's no slogan, there's no clear strategy but this is where she laid out in September.

What we're about in our campaign is that we are for the people, for lower health care costs, lowering prescription drug prices.

We're for raising pay checks, lowering healthcare costs, increasing paychecks by building the infrastructure of America and for cleaning up government to make sure people understand that the people's interest, not the special interests are served here in the United States Capitol.

So there she was laying out a strategy and one that clearly is a winning strategy

https://www.pbs.org/wnet/amanpour-and-company/video/congressman-elect-tom-malinowski/

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=11406195

[BannonsLiver]

27. You put more effort into it than I would have

When a poster like the one you’re replying to makes a statement like that, I assume they know literally nothing about how our politics work and aren’t worth the time spent explaining to them very basic things they should know already.

[Cha]

37. Well, they're all over

the place with such pronouncements.. so I thought I'd help him out..

[BannonsLiver]

39. You're a saint!

[Cha]

44. lol.. Not

really!

Cheers to you, BL!

[Atticus]

30. Oh, well, SU-R-RE---if you're gonna throw FACTS at us! nt

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[Cha]

40. I know, right.. what chutzpah!

[mahina]

42. Wish I could Rec this for greatest page.

Thanks Cha.

[NurseJackie]

29. "I'll wait." --- ROFL!

I'll wait.

[mcar]

58. She raised tons of $$ for Democratic election efforts

Easy enough to check.

[PoliticAverse]

7. Some Democrats told voters they wouldn't support Pelosi and so they may feel...

obligated to keep that promise. If they abstain from voting their lack of vote won't count against
the determination of a "Majority" in the election of the speaker.

[NewsCenter28]

15. I don't see how they can abstain without looking weak though

It's not a good look for them. They'd be better off taking a stand one way or the other.

[leftynyc]

17. Yes it will

If all the cons vote for McCarthy (or whoever), he will have the most votes.

[OnDoutside]

20. EXACTLY. Most of them said they WOULDN'T support her, not vote against her. If Dems end up on 235,

Reps will be on 200, which means she still has a 15 vote majority.

[atreides1]

10. Really?

And how many of them are white men???

[BeyondGeography]

18. How many of them aren't?

You’d obviously be surprised.

[OnDoutside]

28. Ah come on, race ? Ageism, fair enough, even misogyny, but seriously ....

[pnwmom]

11. Those sources are trying to create a bandwagon effect. They are probably among the 14

and want to encourage others to join them.

[NewsCenter28]

19. Hopefully you're right pnwmom

Now more than ever against the insane lunatic in the WH, we need Nancy and her experienced leadership at the helm.

[OAITW r.2.0]

21. Put another way, Pelosi has got the backing of over 200 Democrats in the House.

Not really worried about what a tiny minority of House Democrats want for their Speaker.

[msongs]

22. trump must be salivating at dems dumping his female nemesis nt

[MaryMagdaline]

24. Who's running against her?

[In It to Win It]

26. If no other Dem throw their hat in the ring for the Speakership, what other choice will they have?

[SaschaHM]

31. If she can't get to 218, I hope a palatable female equivalent rises up asap.

I want Nancy, but a speaker who can't get to 218 will be a terrible speaker even if they were great in the past. You need control over your caucus. If the caucus isn't united around the speaker, then the speaker has to go.

At this point, I think that she will survive unless a multi-term female incumbent challenges her. I really don't see them choosing a man to replace her.

[dem4decades]

32. Just who is their alternative?

[Turbineguy]

33. Trump and the republicans would like us

to be as self-destructive as we can be.

Here's our chance to help trump avoid Mueller! Are we going to throw that away?

[Algernon Moncrieff]

35. Only 20?

I'm hoping more that that will oppose her in the caucus.

New Congress. New leaders.

[DeafAngelboy23]

43. Nothing is taken for granted

So be it... promise is not a simple thing anymore but I’m aware of experience vs newcomer.

[allgood33]

45. She didn't bring us this far for us to leave her. Get a grip, newbies! This is just want the GOP

wants. A fight among ourselves in the very beginning to thwart all the good we could be doing. Why not wait until we stand together for at least one session of Congress against the unified Right?

Pelosi has earned her battle scars and there is a reason that the GOP hates her and has spoofed many Dems to do the same. Wasn't damaging Hillary enough for you? Look where that got us.

[elfin]

46. And so it goes -- Dems always, ALWAYS find a way to f**k up.

We need Pelosi to lead us through 2020. She is wise. She is effective. That is why she is demonized by Trump. The ONLY reason he complimented her recently was to galvanize the House to oust her from the Speakership. A bit of false negative posturing. She scares him -- and rightly so.

My hope is that she announces her aim for Leader and says it is until 2020 and the nation is rid of Trump. The newbies have the passion, which is great, but they lack the nuts and bolts on the job experience that Pelosi has gathered through the years to make the most of the new power that we have.

Two years --- during which they may jostle to their hearts' content. THEN choose a new leader for a new era.

If they oust her and become the reverse of the "freedom caucus" on the left - we become paralyzed while they feed their egos and quest for future power.

[LBM20]

47. Look SHE didn't win it back. It was 435 separate races. Nothing personal, but we need a change.

[pnwmom]

64. No, we need someone with solid knowledge of the arcane rules of the House,

and experience in negotiating with hundreds of House members, in order to pass legislation. Despite HUGE obstacles, including the death of Ted Kennedy and his replacement by a Republican, she managed to hold her coalition together and to pass Obamacare.

This isn't a popularity contest or about branding. It's about being an effective leader -- and she is.

[apcalc]

48. I call Russian troll BS.

Sources? Who? Name names.
I say this is a coordinated effort by someone to start this BS.
Every Dem I know personally wants Pelosi.

[Desert grandma]

49. I reached out to our new Congresswoman

Deb Haaland and asked her to PLEASE support Nancy Pelosi as speaker. She is the most qualified. I also asked her to please not give in to those voices attempting to sow discord among members of our new majority. That is what the Russians and the Republicans want. I suggest that each of us contact our congressional representative and ask them to do the same.

[Baconator]

51. I'm not surprised...

The new generation wants to move on from the 90s and I don't blame them.

[Loki Liesmith]

54. Let them fight

If she wins she’ll be better off for it. If she loses them she didn’t have what it takes to win.

But she’ll likely win.

[wishstar]

55. This "opposition" is all for show since no one else is running to be Speaker

[Andy823]

56. I am appalled

At all the post today saying how many Democrats are against her! It's just a lot of bullshit to me.

[randr]

57. Already we take on the personas of the ass hat Repugs

Unnamed sources, people are saying, I hear, and such nonsensical bullshit is how the darker forces manipulate the daily spin.
Anyone who wants to challenge Pelosi better stand up like a true Democrat and not hide behind media speculation.

[Jersey Devil]

59. I support her for speaker but it's bullshit that she "won the majority" back for Dems

Obamacare, dislike for Trump and other issues won the majority back. She had little, if anything to do with the blue wave.

[DeminPennswoods]

61. You do realize that without Pelosi, there'd be no Obamacare right?

When Obama seemed like he was going to retreat on healthcare, it was Pelosi who pushed him to go forward and got her caucus un line behind it.

[Jersey Devil]

63. Don't gild the lily

Pelosi has a very strong case to be Speaker. But when you are supporting someone it is a mistake to go too far and give them credit for things that they really didn't do. Yes, of course I know the role she played in Obamacare. But the blue wave that occurred this year was not led by Pelosi. She has enough credentials without raising false claims.

[DeminPennswoods]

65. That is my recollection

She gave the final push to healthcare when Obama kind was wavering.

[DeminPennswoods]

60. 43 Republicans just voted against McCarthy in their caucus

but he will be the minority leader.

Pelosi has more than enough votes to win in the Dem caucus. Tim Ryan and Moulton tried to get the caucus to amend its rules so the nominee for speaker needed 218 votes in that election to win. They got a whopping 11 co-signers. Neither one of these brave white men have the guts to run against Pelosi and therefore should not be taken seriously.

[Cosmocat]

62. They can vote present on the floor

So her margin in the final vote is going to be about 40 or so. It's okay A lot of these people ran on not voting for her.